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| Topic Started: 5 Aug 2016, 04:00 PM (514,388 Views) | |
| Ess | 7 Aug 2016, 01:10 AM Post #421 |
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Abooganza!
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Only Man City have paid more for him than we did - Swansea paid £500 000 to Chelsea, sold to Man City for £8m who sold to Villa for around £2.5m. He has had a very mixed career - hopefully BR can get the best from him. |
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| McStay | 7 Aug 2016, 01:21 AM Post #422 |
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Espanyolification
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36 in 91 for Swansea with Rodgers is excellent for a winger especially at a smaller club. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU3zicoWCQs&feature=youtu.be&t=56 That turn there is Honestly CGAF what Villa fans think or how much we paid for him. He's class. Him and Roberts on either side is going to be deadly. We'll probably hear a lot in the coming days of how he's a "Chelsea and City flop" like that's an indicator of how bad a player he is... playing for two of the biggest and best clubs in England
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| Big Drew | 7 Aug 2016, 02:26 AM Post #423 |
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Rio Fergus McCann CSC
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Yup. we can only dream of getting an Accrington Stanley prospect.
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| nakasboots | 7 Aug 2016, 03:37 AM Post #424 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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I'm hopeful rather than excited by his arrival. The above video is pretty pish tbh, could make one for Ross Wallace that would look as good. ![]() I'll say one thing, he looks rapid and if he can find some confidence he may well end up a cracking player for us. Good luck in the Hoops Scott.
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| DannyBhoyy | 7 Aug 2016, 03:58 AM Post #425 |
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First name on the team-sheet
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Take a wee look at their forums... I'm not saying that they know what they're on about seeing as they've just been relegated and then spent £12m on an average player. Was just passing on info. |
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| Adam Smith 11 | 7 Aug 2016, 06:31 AM Post #426 |
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Contract up for renewal, now on a diet and trying harder.
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Sorry if a bit off topic but possibly of use to the debate on this transfer and our signing policies in general given some of the comments on valuation possibly being high on this one. It takes time to get used to new valuations of players, the fundamentals of the finances though generated by the EPL's combined new TV deals demand that the valuation of all players who are either in the English Leagues ( not just the EPL ) or whose market is intrinsically linked - which includes ours - raise by at least 50%. There is a very strong economic argument for a far higher increase that we may actually see happen. The combined global EPL TV deals have increased by 50% to £8.1 billion per year until 2020. This 50% increase almost automatically passes through as increase on any constrained/finite assets that are required to participate in the market. This is as close to an economic law as you get. There are only a certain amount of players capable of playing or possibly playing in the league at the required level, they are therefore a finite asset that must go up in price in a rising market. Given that TV money is almost pure profit to the clubs as there is minimum cost to them, the argument is that there is also a multiplier effect as this is worth more than any other type of turnover (not 4p for every £1 as in some turnover margins more like 90p). It matters that clubs like us adjust to this quickly and don't get caught up in any subjective "not worth it because of previous history" arguments, the longer it takes a club to adapt to the new valuations the more they will have to pay or the further they will fall relative to other clubs. Much like not being on the property market as it rises this can be an economic trap if you wait too long for the market to see sense and come down to realistic prices. Despite arguments otherwise the EPL is not a bubble ( individual clubs may be, but not the league) , not many businesses have the vast majority of their income guaranteed for the next 4 years with no sign of it slowing down beyond that as macro trends are moving towards an experience economy ( which football is ). The fundamentals do not point to a bubble meaning that players as assets are safe as a group. This safety creates further upward pressure on valuations. I would argue given all this that players values have at least doubled since last summer and we therefore have to take this into consideration when looking at this signing and others. Ross McCormack's transfer looks like an outlier that is testing the extreme end of the valuations. £12m for a 30 year old who cannot get in the Scotland team, this is possibly the benchmark that all other valuations of players should be seen as relative to. Is Scott Sinclair worth a third of Ross McCormack is maybe a bit too simplistic but in general it is a far better question than anything relating to past transfer valuations. Edited by Adam Smith 11, 7 Aug 2016, 07:02 AM.
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| ootmaheid | 7 Aug 2016, 07:07 AM Post #427 |
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supersub
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Sums it up for me
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| sevilliano | 7 Aug 2016, 07:13 AM Post #428 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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I think the struggle to get to grips with this is only accentuated by the impact on the championship fees and their wages another factor for Celtic will be whether finally it's environment is going to change significantly as a result of European teams fears over impact of epl It's not an easy environment to plan for and as we all know Celtic will err on side of caution - and caution is likely as you point out to be an error |
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| RedbeardRhum | 7 Aug 2016, 08:23 AM Post #429 |
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First team training
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Whoever said 20 pages till the "I'm worried he's pish" brigade turned up was spot on!
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| DrWho | 7 Aug 2016, 08:28 AM Post #430 |
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blast off...
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Good post, even if it does sound like something from higher economics back in sixth year.
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| Mickeybhoy84 | 7 Aug 2016, 08:31 AM Post #431 |
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Living the dream
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The opinion of Villa fans is best ignored. It doesn't matter how talented a player is if he's in a team that has a tactically inept manager and awful teammates he's not going to look good. |
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| Hagi Bhoy | 7 Aug 2016, 08:32 AM Post #432 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Hey, do you know who you're talking to here!?!!? Show a little respect
Edited by Hagi Bhoy, 7 Aug 2016, 08:32 AM.
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| CaltonBhoy1967 | 7 Aug 2016, 08:39 AM Post #433 |
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Billy McNeill - "Mr Celtic"
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He passed the medical and was staying in Glasgow last night - I expect he will be at Tynecastle but in the stand - They might do the photos/announcement at some point today - Probably Wednesday before he features though. |
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| idyllwild | 7 Aug 2016, 08:50 AM Post #434 |
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It's best ignored, but only because it's of no consequence to where we are now. It's not as if Celtic fans are all experts and Villa fans know eff all about football. He clearly didn't do it at Villa, which is why their supporters are glad to get rid. Entirely understandable, we've had the same opinion of a million Celtic players. We're signing him in the hope that he and BR can turn his career around. If he wasn't a failure at Villa, we probably couldn't afford to sign him. He's shown he has the ability in the past, hopefully he can regain a bit of form to show that same ability for us. I'm confident enough in the manager to expect good things from this, but that doesn't mean that the Villa supporters are wrong about how he performed for them. |
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| mikebhoy | 7 Aug 2016, 08:54 AM Post #435 |
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Too old for hamlet, too young for Lear
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Me too. I've said this before, but I've always thought of him as a poster boy for that type of overpaid, underachiever who had a bit of promise but chased the dosh and never amounts to much. Be happy to be proved wrong and he turns out to be another Alan Thompson type resurrection job but I think he's more akin to being another Stuart Slater. Still. At least he's clearly Rodgers' signing rather than Lawwell or Park. |
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| Adam Smith 11 | 7 Aug 2016, 08:54 AM Post #436 |
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Contract up for renewal, now on a diet and trying harder.
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I know, "higher economics" pfft! "Zlatan doesn't do exams"
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| Adam Smith 11 | 7 Aug 2016, 09:18 AM Post #437 |
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Contract up for renewal, now on a diet and trying harder.
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Agree, think he lost his way but he obviously respects BR who has proven that he can get the best from him. If it were not for that I would be very concerned. The success of this signing will say more about BR than it will about the player himself. At his best he was way beyond anything we could expect to sign at the moment. At his worst, probably much the same as we have been signing anyway. Edited by Adam Smith 11, 7 Aug 2016, 09:33 AM.
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| Lawlerm | 7 Aug 2016, 09:27 AM Post #438 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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No-one's said anything of the sort but some of the posts in here are insane. We're about to make someone our most expensive and probably highest earning player in 6-7 years, and the most positive thing we can say is our manager got the best out of him 5 years ago. People are talking like Sinclair has a proven track record - he's nothing of the sort. Someone even posted that he averaged a goal every 3 games for Villa last season. He scored 2 league goals against Sunderland in August and never scored again in the EPL. Of the 6 goals he scored last season 3 were penalties and 3 came in a league cup tie with Notts County I hope he does well and I think he will (domestically at least), but to make out spending potentially £4m of our budget on Scott Sinclair isn't a gamble is blind faith IMO. |
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| sjrooney | 7 Aug 2016, 09:32 AM Post #439 |
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I walked away
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When MON splashed out £6m on a 'Chelsea flop' I was puzzled at best, but look how that one turned out. If our new Chelsea flop works out anywhere near half as good, that will do me just fine. |
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| fatboab | 7 Aug 2016, 09:32 AM Post #440 |
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Just before the Dawn
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I think this is a great example of a manager knowing and trusting a player, in the same way , for example, that MON trusted Lennon. Sinclair has struggled at Villa, but Rodgers got the best out him at Swansea and obviously feels he can do so again. Using Villa as a marker for any player is jaundiced though, as none of their players has enhanced their reputations in the last few years. Let's see what Sinclair can do with a bit belief and confidence in his manager. If it works, we get a very exciting player who is approaching the prime years of his career. |
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Honestly CGAF what Villa fans think or how much we paid for him. He's class. Him and Roberts on either side is going to be deadly.







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