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Scott Sinclair; New baby arrives, and there to greet her were her mama and papa.
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31 Dec 2017, 11:50 AM
He is strong enough to take a tackle and carry on. He isn't brave in 50/50s and when he can see he could get injured and this has been evident from early on. It wasn't just Scott Sinclair's fault we drew yesterday.

He has contributed more than most in games against the huns since he signed. Every team needs players with various skillsets. If every player in our side's biggest asset was that you were brave enough to fly into tackles we'd be a pretty poor side to watch.
The earlier YouTube video shows him being wiped out by the keeper for Rogic to score, so it seems to me that he does pull out of some 50/50s but in this case was prepared to risk injury. Maybe if he's carrying a knock he's less inclined to throw himself into a challenge.

I'm not even bothered that he does. He's one of our biggest goal threats and if pulling out of a meaningless challenge means he remains on the park, injury free, I can live with that.
Totally agree. We have bigger fish to fry elsewhere in the team.

In fact my biggest frustration with Sinclair is the number of times he runs into players whilst dribbling.

Worked a treat yesterday when he got through in the first half right enough.
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31 Dec 2017, 11:50 AM
He is strong enough to take a tackle and carry on. He isn't brave in 50/50s and when he can see he could get injured and this has been evident from early on. It wasn't just Scott Sinclair's fault we drew yesterday.

He has contributed more than most in games against the huns since he signed. Every team needs players with various skillsets. If every player in our side's biggest asset was that you were brave enough to fly into tackles we'd be a pretty poor side to watch.
The earlier YouTube video shows him being wiped out by the keeper for Rogic to score, so it seems to me that he does pull out of some 50/50s but in this case was prepared to risk injury. Maybe if he's carrying a knock he's less inclined to throw himself into a challenge.

I'm not even bothered that he does. He's one of our biggest goal threats and if pulling out of a meaningless challenge means he remains on the park, injury free, I can live with that.
What about when he pulls out of challenges that are meaningful.

Ducked out of a header on the halfway line that could have broke us through them.

Pulled out of challenging Tavernier on the touchline who got a cross in for them and they could have scored.

At least he never got injured, eh?
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31 Dec 2017, 11:50 AM
He is strong enough to take a tackle and carry on. He isn't brave in 50/50s and when he can see he could get injured and this has been evident from early on. It wasn't just Scott Sinclair's fault we drew yesterday.

He has contributed more than most in games against the huns since he signed. Every team needs players with various skillsets. If every player in our side's biggest asset was that you were brave enough to fly into tackles we'd be a pretty poor side to watch.
The earlier YouTube video shows him being wiped out by the keeper for Rogic to score, so it seems to me that he does pull out of some 50/50s but in this case was prepared to risk injury. Maybe if he's carrying a knock he's less inclined to throw himself into a challenge.

I'm not even bothered that he does. He's one of our biggest goal threats and if pulling out of a meaningless challenge means he remains on the park, injury free, I can live with that.
I think pulling out of challenges puts you at an even bigger risk. You could point to Jonny Hayes but for me; trying to shirk a tackle leaves you even more vulnerable. And even if what you say is true; how does that excuse him failing to put his foot through a ball at perfect height from a yard out to put us a goal up purely because he sees a challenge coming in? I don't see how anyone could watch that incident and come to any other conclusion than he shat it.
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31 Dec 2017, 12:40 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 12:26 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 11:50 AM
He is strong enough to take a tackle and carry on. He isn't brave in 50/50s and when he can see he could get injured and this has been evident from early on. It wasn't just Scott Sinclair's fault we drew yesterday.

He has contributed more than most in games against the huns since he signed. Every team needs players with various skillsets. If every player in our side's biggest asset was that you were brave enough to fly into tackles we'd be a pretty poor side to watch.
The earlier YouTube video shows him being wiped out by the keeper for Rogic to score, so it seems to me that he does pull out of some 50/50s but in this case was prepared to risk injury. Maybe if he's carrying a knock he's less inclined to throw himself into a challenge.

I'm not even bothered that he does. He's one of our biggest goal threats and if pulling out of a meaningless challenge means he remains on the park, injury free, I can live with that.
I think pulling out of challenges puts you at an even bigger risk. You could point to Jonny Hayes but for me; trying to shirk a tackle leaves you even more vulnerable. And even if what you say is true; how does that excuse him failing to put his foot through a ball at perfect height from a yard out to put us a goal up purely because he sees a challenge coming in? I don't see how anyone could watch that incident and come to any other conclusion than he shat it.
He mis-hit it. He still got it on target. You think a guy who gets hit with such frequency isn't going to try to score that?

Here's a video.

In the Ross County game, on about 55 seconds, you can see how he lets the defender lunge in and he comes away with the ball and goes onto score. You don't have to go in blood and thunder. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Ntcham did the exact same yesterday and got a loud roar. (Admittedly I've still to see the Sinclair one again yesterday where the crowd started booing, but it seemed the reaction had been building for a while - and it wouldn't have happened if he hadn't missed that sitter by the post, which anyone can do.)

In the Hearts game, he nearly puts the ball through the net. You think he doesn't see the Hearts player coming in? But if he's a coward, surely he'd going to shirk that challenge?

In another Hearts clip near the end, he's nowhere near favourite to get a rebound from the goalie with the defender ready to put his boot through it. Where's this natural cowardice, or is he a part-time coward?
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31 Dec 2017, 12:53 AM
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The dilemma for us is that Sinclair, at his best, is miles better than most other plausible options we could have in that role - both in terms of players already at the club and potential new recruits.
Agreed. If Sinclair was at his best consistently he would be worth 100 million and playing in the EPL. He is a cracking player. It's only because he fails to reach the heights for periods that we are lucky enough to have him.
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31 Dec 2017, 12:53 PM
He mis-hit it. He still got it on target.

C,mon to eff TC. :lol: The North Korean propaganda department would be embarrassed by that defence. He got it on target? Aye, straight into the goalkeeper's arms from a yard out. Well done him. He did miss hit it because he shat it. I've watched it back several times; all he has to do us put his laces through it. Instead he makes a half hearted prod at it because he sees Tavernier lunge at the ball. You can point to other incidents in other games but they are irrelevant. I'm judging yesterday's on their own merits. And the chance he missed yesterday wasn't the only one he pulled out of either.
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31 Dec 2017, 01:09 PM
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31 Dec 2017, 12:53 PM
He mis-hit it. He still got it on target.

C,mon to eff TC. :lol: The North Korean propaganda department would be embarrassed by that defence. He got it on target? Aye, straight into the goalkeeper's arms from a yard out. Well done him. He did miss hit it because he shat it. I've watched it back several times; all he has to do us put his laces through it. Instead he makes a half hearted prod at it because he sees Tavernier lunge at the ball. You can point to other incidents in other games but they are irrelevant. I'm judging yesterday's on their own merits. And the chance he missed yesterday wasn't the only one he pulled out of either.
I've watched it again several times. Big wild Tavernier going to put his boot through it. How come that didn't come to pass?

The other one was a worse miss. I'd say he mis-hit that too as he screwed it wide when all he had to do was hit the target. Did he shampoo it there too, because there was no one near him?

You've got an idea in your head and you're sticking to it. I'd say you're wrong, but evidently no one is going to change the other one's mind here.

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Just seeing the highlights there and couldn't not believe what I was seeing with the tavernier volley. Sinclair loses the ball, and half heartedly goes with tavernier while tierney tries to cut out the cross. Sinclair actually slows down as tavernier goes into the box and completely loses him, and makes zero effort to block the ball. Missed chances I can handle. Even trying to avoid getting hurt I can understand. But making no effort is shameful.
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Sinclair shat out of a tackle in the middle of the park just before he came off. The whole stadium erupted. It was probably what got him hooked in the end.
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He mis-hit it. He still got it on target.

C,mon to eff TC. :lol: The North Korean propaganda department would be embarrassed by that defence. He got it on target? Aye, straight into the goalkeeper's arms from a yard out. Well done him. He did miss hit it because he shat it. I've watched it back several times; all he has to do us put his laces through it. Instead he makes a half hearted prod at it because he sees Tavernier lunge at the ball. You can point to other incidents in other games but they are irrelevant. I'm judging yesterday's on their own merits. And the chance he missed yesterday wasn't the only one he pulled out of either.
I've watched it again several times. Big wild Tavernier going to put his boot through it. How come that didn't come to pass?

The other one was a worse miss. I'd say he mis-hit that too as he screwed it wide when all he had to do was hit the target. Did he shampoo it there too, because there was no one near him?

You've got an idea in your head and you're sticking to it. I'd say you're wrong, but evidently no one is going to change the other one's mind here.

TC you talk more sense than most on this board. But I don't get where you are coming from here. It's really clear to me he makes a half hearted poke at the ball purely because he sees the challenge coming. Maybe it's that the ball is knee height, who knows. He got it on target? If he had meant it as a pass back it would have been a moment of genius. Pointing to other incidents is odd; it's like posting a couple of videos of Pat Bonner collecting crosses to refute he was really bad at them. I am not blind to Sinclair's quality. He has been a great signing. And unlike others I'm not even calling for him to be dropped. Warts and all he is still one of our best players. But the way he pulls out of tackles winds me up. As does the fact he goes into hiding. I guess that is why we plucked him for 2m from Aston Villas bench.
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31 Dec 2017, 01:37 PM
Sinclair shat out of a tackle in the middle of the park just before he came off. The whole stadium erupted. It was probably what got him hooked in the end.
Managed to concede a corner from it too, some going from that situation!

Are the highlights up anywhere? Wouldn't mind seeing these misses so I can be sure Murphio is wrong :ph43r: :lol:
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31 Dec 2017, 01:37 PM
Sinclair shat out of a tackle in the middle of the park just before he came off. The whole stadium erupted. It was probably what got him hooked in the end.
Managed to concede a corner from it too, some going from that situation!

Are the highlights up anywhere? Wouldn't mind seeing these misses so I can be sure Murphio is wrong :ph43r: :lol:
Doesn't have the one in the middle of the park, but it has the missed chances.

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I've watched it again several times. Big wild Tavernier going to put his boot through it. How come that didn't come to pass?

The other one was a worse miss. I'd say he mis-hit that too as he screwed it wide when all he had to do was hit the target. Did he shampoo it there too, because there was no one near him?

You've got an idea in your head and you're sticking to it. I'd say you're wrong, but evidently no one is going to change the other one's mind here.

TC you talk more sense than most on this board. But I don't get where you are coming from here. It's really clear to me he makes a half hearted poke at the ball purely because he sees the challenge coming. Maybe it's that the ball is knee height, who knows. He got it on target? If he had meant it as a pass back it would have been a moment of genius. Pointing to other incidents is odd; it's like posting a couple of videos of Pat Bonner collecting crosses to refute he was really bad at them. I am not blind to Sinclair's quality. He has been a great signing. And unlike others I'm not even calling for him to be dropped. Warts and all he is still one of our best players. But the way he pulls out of tackles winds me up. As does the fact he goes into hiding. I guess that is why we plucked him for 2m from Aston Villas bench.
He 100% shat it. All he needed to do was keep his eye on the ball and leather it high into the net. The defender's presence was enough to put him off.
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Just watched. He defo pulled out the second time, tried to toe end then pull away. More interested in avoiding a knock. He puts his foot through that he bursts the net IMO.
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A fully fit Sinclair wouldn’t have pulled out of that. He should never have been in the team with that injury.
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I've watched it again several times. Big wild Tavernier going to put his boot through it. How come that didn't come to pass?

The other one was a worse miss. I'd say he mis-hit that too as he screwed it wide when all he had to do was hit the target. Did he shampoo it there too, because there was no one near him?

You've got an idea in your head and you're sticking to it. I'd say you're wrong, but evidently no one is going to change the other one's mind here.

TC you talk more sense than most on this board. But I don't get where you are coming from here. It's really clear to me he makes a half hearted poke at the ball purely because he sees the challenge coming. Maybe it's that the ball is knee height, who knows. He got it on target? If he had meant it as a pass back it would have been a moment of genius. Pointing to other incidents is odd; it's like posting a couple of videos of Pat Bonner collecting crosses to refute he was really bad at them. I am not blind to Sinclair's quality. He has been a great signing. And unlike others I'm not even calling for him to be dropped. Warts and all he is still one of our best players. But the way he pulls out of tackles winds me up. As does the fact he goes into hiding. I guess that is why we plucked him for 2m from Aston Villas bench.
I'm just saying it's possible to mis-hit a shot and used the other chance a few minutes later, when there's no one near him, to illustrate this.

In isolation, I don't think he shat it or made a half-hearted poke at the ball.

As I said earlier, if he scores the other one, nobody would even be talking about this. It certainly wasn't a game-changing moment, because I think that he went on to go on a great run and put a brilliant ball along the six yard line which no one gambled on. Then, of course, he still had another one to miss on the stroke of half-time. To me, that's more of a game-changer because they came out with something to hang onto, then grew in confidence.

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Sinclair shat out of a tackle in the middle of the park just before he came off. The whole stadium erupted. It was probably what got him hooked in the end.
Managed to concede a corner from it too, some going from that situation!

Are the highlights up anywhere? Wouldn't mind seeing these misses so I can be sure Murphio is wrong :ph43r: :lol:
Doesn't have the one in the middle of the park, but it has the missed chances.

The first go is half-hearted too, with no tackle coming in. The other chance much the same, no tackle. Not good enough to win these games, no matter the reason.
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He’s been injured and we have no cover for him.

Folk just get an idea in their head and stick to it.
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TC you talk more sense than most on this board. But I don't get where you are coming from here. It's really clear to me he makes a half hearted poke at the ball purely because he sees the challenge coming. Maybe it's that the ball is knee height, who knows. He got it on target? If he had meant it as a pass back it would have been a moment of genius. Pointing to other incidents is odd; it's like posting a couple of videos of Pat Bonner collecting crosses to refute he was really bad at them. I am not blind to Sinclair's quality. He has been a great signing. And unlike others I'm not even calling for him to be dropped. Warts and all he is still one of our best players. But the way he pulls out of tackles winds me up. As does the fact he goes into hiding. I guess that is why we plucked him for 2m from Aston Villas bench.
I'm just saying it's possible to mis-hit a shot and used the other chance a few minutes later, when there's no one near him, to illustrate this.

In isolation, I don't think he shat it or made a half-hearted poke at the ball.

As I said earlier, if he scores the other one, nobody would even be talking about this. It certainly wasn't a game-changing moment, because I think that he went on to go on a great run and put a brilliant ball along the six yard line which no one gambled on. Then, of course, he still had another one to miss on the stroke of half-time. To me, that's more of a game-changer because they came out with something to hang onto, then grew in confidence.

The difference with the other chance is that he got a solid connection on the ball. The one in question.. he got practically nothing on it and that doesn't constitute a miss hit imo. He just didn't connect with it and the reason is clearly because he sees a challenge coming and takes a timid poke at it. I can forgive the one that went wide. On another day that would have busted the net. But the one he toed into the keeper's arms... unforgivable imo. No Tavernier there he bursts the net.
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