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Scott Sinclair; New baby arrives, and there to greet her were her mama and papa.
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27 Nov 2017, 12:19 PM
In fact, I hope we cheat them again to win our next two games. Then sign Moult for some derisory amount and let him rot with the reserves just to remind them of how much of a diddy club they are.
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I believe it was Willie Collum who told Sinclair if he'd gone down against Hibs in the last minute of the 2-2 he'd have given a penalty. Can't blame him for going down easily yesterday.
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Whatever happened to "you can see why the ref gave it" quotes.
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27 Nov 2017, 09:31 AM
Football is a contact sport but that doesn't mean you can make unnecessary contact. That applies to things like shoulder tackles, contact after an attempt to play the ball etc.

When you make contact with no intention of playing the ball then its a foul.
If that was true then every corner ever taken in the history of the game would be followed by a whistle for a foul
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27 Nov 2017, 09:31 AM
Football is a contact sport but that doesn't mean you can make unnecessary contact. That applies to things like shoulder tackles, contact after an attempt to play the ball etc.

When you make contact with no intention of playing the ball then its a foul.
If that was true then every corner ever taken in the history of the game would be followed by a whistle for a foul
Probably should be but it has been tolerated for so long in the game its expected that the ref will let that stuff slide. Edit - corners are actually treated differently according to FIFA. The ref is instructed to issue warnings and If the offence is repeated, award the foul/ penalty.
Edited by Bawman, 27 Nov 2017, 03:13 PM.
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27 Nov 2017, 09:31 AM
Football is a contact sport but that doesn't mean you can make unnecessary contact. That applies to things like shoulder tackles, contact after an attempt to play the ball etc.

When you make contact with no intention of playing the ball then its a foul.
If that was true then every corner ever taken in the history of the game would be followed by a whistle for a foul
Probably should be but it has been tolerated for so long in the game its expected that the ref will let that stuff slide.
I don't agree that any contact whatsoever is a foul. It's a contact sport and I'd prefer players to go down only if the contact is enough to knock them over, not just when someone brushes past you. I've not seen more than a couple of replays of this one, but it looks like Sinclair could've stayed on his feet and got a shot away, but chose to go down under very little contact.
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Probably should be but it has been tolerated for so long in the game its expected that the ref will let that stuff slide.
I don't agree that any contact whatsoever is a foul. It's a contact sport and I'd prefer players to go down only if the contact is enough to knock them over, not just when someone brushes past you. I've not seen more than a couple of replays of this one, but it looks like Sinclair could've stayed on his feet and got a shot away, but chose to go down under very little contact.
It's all about context. The penalty was awarded for the pull not because Sinclair went down. Did going down help his case? Probably but a defender has to be as clean as a whistle in situations like that. The defender wasn't in this case and a lot of people just want to ignore that. Keep his hands down and nothing happens.
Edited by Bawman, 27 Nov 2017, 03:16 PM.
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http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/274/092646_180517_LotG_17_18_FINAL_EN.pdf

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my take on it is that people are getting more worked up about Sinclair going down. When, that's an academic point. The recovering motherwell player, needlessly and without intent on playing the ball, puts an arm out and pulls sinclair.

The act of pulling an opponent, denying a goalscoring opportunity is a foul and red card.

What's indisputable, is that the motherwell player pulled sinclair, in the penalty area, without making an attempt to play the ball. Regardless of how soft or hard the pull was.
Sinclair going down isn't academic.
It may well have happened after the foul was initially made, but it shouldn't be ignored completely.
Although it's maybe not quite as cynical, it's comparable though not exactly the same, as Lafferty hitting the deck when brushing foreheads with Mulgrew all those years ago.
Mulgrew taps Lafferty with his forehead, Lafferty then proceeds to hit the deck as if he's had a proper Glasgow kiss - he simulates contact that's more significant than it was.
The reality of that situation was that it was "handbags" and both Lafferty and Charlie should have got yellows.
As it was, Charlie saw red, and it killed the contest if memory serves me.
There's a dishonesty about it.
Sinclair possibly does the same, but without the undertone of violence.
Hitting the deck at the slightest of touches is maybe the done thing in some football leagues, but to me it's not desirable - it doesn't help the image of the game and it doesn't give a good example to the kids watching.
It projects a "win at all costs" mentality which is never really a good thing.
As it is, to some extent, what Sinclair did is accepted.
I say accepted, in that he'll escape any official censure as it could be argued that there was clear contact and seeming intent to impede.
The defender can however have no real complaints - he was stupid to put his arm out like that - but he's very unlucky in this instance given how light a touch he made - but that has to be countered by his massive good luck in not being sent of early on in the match.

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27 Nov 2017, 02:40 PM
Whatever happened to "you can see why the ref gave it" quotes.
Sutton hates CT, so jumped on him right away and it's grown arms and legs since.

'Shocking decision' after watching it three or four times. :lol:
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27 Nov 2017, 09:31 AM
Football is a contact sport but that doesn't mean you can make unnecessary contact. That applies to things like shoulder tackles, contact after an attempt to play the ball etc.

When you make contact with no intention of playing the ball then its a foul.
If that was true then every corner ever taken in the history of the game would be followed by a whistle for a foul
I'd also consider jockeying for position in the box/trying to get the run on the man/whatever you want to call what happens at corners in the first part.

Any contact that aims to stop a player moving forward without trying to play the ball is a foul.

Edited by Ste, 27 Nov 2017, 03:54 PM.
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Its a penalty, end of.

Cipre shouldn't have been on the park anyway.

Do we not have the "these things equal out over the course of a season" patter anymore?
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27 Nov 2017, 03:17 PM
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27 Nov 2017, 10:26 AM
http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/274/092646_180517_LotG_17_18_FINAL_EN.pdf

page 103.

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my take on it is that people are getting more worked up about Sinclair going down. When, that's an academic point. The recovering motherwell player, needlessly and without intent on playing the ball, puts an arm out and pulls sinclair.

The act of pulling an opponent, denying a goalscoring opportunity is a foul and red card.

What's indisputable, is that the motherwell player pulled sinclair, in the penalty area, without making an attempt to play the ball. Regardless of how soft or hard the pull was.
Sinclair going down isn't academic.
It may well have happened after the foul was initially made, but it shouldn't be ignored completely.
Although it's maybe not quite as cynical, it's comparable though not exactly the same, as Lafferty hitting the deck when brushing foreheads with Mulgrew all those years ago.
Mulgrew taps Lafferty with his forehead, Lafferty then proceeds to hit the deck as if he's had a proper Glasgow kiss - he simulates contact that's more significant than it was.
The reality of that situation was that it was "handbags" and both Lafferty and Charlie should have got yellows.
As it was, Charlie saw red, and it killed the contest if memory serves me.
There's a dishonesty about it.
Sinclair possibly does the same, but without the undertone of violence.
Hitting the deck at the slightest of touches is maybe the done thing in some football leagues, but to me it's not desirable - it doesn't help the image of the game and it doesn't give a good example to the kids watching.
It projects a "win at all costs" mentality which is never really a good thing.
As it is, to some extent, what Sinclair did is accepted.
I say accepted, in that he'll escape any official censure as it could be argued that there was clear contact and seeming intent to impede.
The defender can however have no real complaints - he was stupid to put his arm out like that - but he's very unlucky in this instance given how light a touch he made - but that has to be countered by his massive good luck in not being sent of early on in the match.

I agree to a degree. I mean't it's academic when considering if its a penalty or not.. whether you think he went down easy or not is an irrelevance when considering that he was pulled by a defender with no attempt to play the ball. That makes it a penalty and red card. What happens after that, doesnt matter. He could have cartwheeled off the park, done a backflip, stayed on his feet.... it should still be a penalty.
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27 Nov 2017, 04:26 PM
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27 Nov 2017, 03:17 PM
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27 Nov 2017, 10:26 AM
http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/274/092646_180517_LotG_17_18_FINAL_EN.pdf

page 103.

Spoiler: click to toggle


my take on it is that people are getting more worked up about Sinclair going down. When, that's an academic point. The recovering motherwell player, needlessly and without intent on playing the ball, puts an arm out and pulls sinclair.

The act of pulling an opponent, denying a goalscoring opportunity is a foul and red card.

What's indisputable, is that the motherwell player pulled sinclair, in the penalty area, without making an attempt to play the ball. Regardless of how soft or hard the pull was.
Sinclair going down isn't academic.
It may well have happened after the foul was initially made, but it shouldn't be ignored completely.
Although it's maybe not quite as cynical, it's comparable though not exactly the same, as Lafferty hitting the deck when brushing foreheads with Mulgrew all those years ago.
Mulgrew taps Lafferty with his forehead, Lafferty then proceeds to hit the deck as if he's had a proper Glasgow kiss - he simulates contact that's more significant than it was.
The reality of that situation was that it was "handbags" and both Lafferty and Charlie should have got yellows.
As it was, Charlie saw red, and it killed the contest if memory serves me.
There's a dishonesty about it.
Sinclair possibly does the same, but without the undertone of violence.
Hitting the deck at the slightest of touches is maybe the done thing in some football leagues, but to me it's not desirable - it doesn't help the image of the game and it doesn't give a good example to the kids watching.
It projects a "win at all costs" mentality which is never really a good thing.
As it is, to some extent, what Sinclair did is accepted.
I say accepted, in that he'll escape any official censure as it could be argued that there was clear contact and seeming intent to impede.
The defender can however have no real complaints - he was stupid to put his arm out like that - but he's very unlucky in this instance given how light a touch he made - but that has to be countered by his massive good luck in not being sent of early on in the match.

I agree to a degree. I mean't it's academic when considering if its a penalty or not.. whether you think he went down easy or not is an irrelevance when considering that he was pulled by a defender with no attempt to play the ball. That makes it a penalty and red card. What happens after that, doesnt matter. He could have cartwheeled off the park, done a backflip, stayed on his feet.... it should still be a penalty.
Yes - but had he stayed on his feet, would the ref have awarded the pen?
I'm not so sure - and there's evidence to suggest he wouldn't have (assuming he referees like some of the other dimwits who've previously reffed Celtic games).
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After being excellent last season he isn't half putting in some mediocre performances. First half on Sunday was typical, he had no effect on the game. The second half he did come out of the traps with a bit more drive in his game but we are seeing a shadow of the Scott Sinclair we saw last year.

As to his "dive" I thought it was a penalty when I saw it in real-time. From the camera angle behind the goal you can see the Motherwell defender having a pull at his arm and this is what the referee will have seen. Did he make the most of the contact? Yeah he did. Do I care, no I don't as I have seen numerous times over the years where our players have been too honest in the box and got no help from the ref.
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Soft but a penalty that could be given, defender makes a motion towards the attacker and the attacker goes down....stupid defending.

Sinclair needs a rest. He's been average for a wee while. We have options that should be used.
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27 Nov 2017, 05:16 PM
Soft but a penalty that could be given, defender makes a motion towards the attacker and the attacker goes down....stupid defending.

Sinclair needs a rest. He's been average for a wee while. We have options that should be used.
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I agree to a degree. I mean't it's academic when considering if its a penalty or not.. whether you think he went down easy or not is an irrelevance when considering that he was pulled by a defender with no attempt to play the ball. That makes it a penalty and red card. What happens after that, doesnt matter. He could have cartwheeled off the park, done a backflip, stayed on his feet.... it should still be a penalty.
Yes - but had he stayed on his feet, would the ref have awarded the pen?
I'm not so sure - and there's evidence to suggest he wouldn't have (assuming he referees like some of the other dimwits who've previously reffed Celtic games).
He may not have... but that doesnt take away from that the right decision was achieved in the end. Regardless of how sinclair reacted to the contact.
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27 Nov 2017, 09:31 AM
Football is a contact sport but that doesn't mean you can make unnecessary contact. That applies to things like shoulder tackles, contact after an attempt to play the ball etc.

When you make contact with no intention of playing the ball then its a foul.
If that was true then every corner ever taken in the history of the game would be followed by a whistle for a foul
I'd also consider jockeying for position in the box/trying to get the run on the man/whatever you want to call what happens at corners in the first part.

Any contact that aims to stop a player moving forward without trying to play the ball is a foul.

A defender ushering the ball out of play and blocking the attacker getting at it. That's universally accepted as not a foul, even though I think it should be. If a defender did that, backed into the attacker and the attacker fell over, then what you're saying is that this should be a penalty, and nobody else has that expectation.
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As a very slow centre half I used to use every trick possible to slow down speedy players who got on the wrong side of me. A tug on the shoulder of someone going at pace is a great way of impeding someone. It's a foul, but it's a cute foul because you can completely unbalance someone and cause them to lose control of the ball, often without being seen and often without causing them to go down.

Sinclair got on the wrong side of him and he did exactly that. Sinclair went down because without going down chances are he wouldn't get the penalty for the foul. I have no complaints about that whatsoever.
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