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Scott Sinclair; New baby arrives, and there to greet her were her mama and papa.
Topic Started: 5 Aug 2016, 04:00 PM (514,244 Views)
The Wizard of Tim
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We have went to that stadium for years and received "honest mistake" after "honest mistake" and told collectively to suck it up.
It was a soft pen- we were already one up- we deserved it- lets leave the collective navel gazing to the Huns- their WATP universe is blowing up in front of their eyes- I am off to run the country for Opus Dei
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27 Nov 2017, 10:26 AM
http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/274/092646_180517_LotG_17_18_FINAL_EN.pdf

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my take on it is that people are getting more worked up about Sinclair going down. When, that's an academic point. The recovering motherwell player, needlessly and without intent on playing the ball, puts an arm out and pulls sinclair.

The act of pulling an opponent, denying a goalscoring opportunity is a foul and red card.

What's indisputable, is that the motherwell player pulled sinclair, in the penalty area, without making an attempt to play the ball. Regardless of how soft or hard the pull was.
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Pulls his arm it ends up behind his back and knocks him off balance.
Edited by TheMaestro, 27 Nov 2017, 10:38 AM.
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27 Nov 2017, 08:04 AM
Seems to me that Sinclair fell of his own volition. Which to me is simulation. He fell to highlight that contact had been made rather than losing his footing because he was knocked off balance or had his feet taken away from him. A worse dive would have been if Sinclair went to ground if no contact was made with no threat to his safety. All he did was highlight that a possibly illegal contact had been made. What he should do is just leave the decision to the ref rather than make out that the contact was worse than it was.

That said I'm not going to get bent out of shape over it as we've been victims of far worse decisions than this over the years.
The law is fairly clear on what simulation is - "attempting to deceive the referee that a foul has been committed"

In this case Sinclair did the opposite; he highlighted the fact in the only way he could.

The pull stops him getting onto his left foot to have a strike at goal - far cuter would have been to bump him with no hands to knock him off his stride which would have been more difficult to see and likely would have saved him from a red card.

I'm fairly sure that Sinclair will have been told after that incident against Hibs to collapse at a touch - despite what is said in public about diving.
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27 Nov 2017, 08:19 AM
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27 Nov 2017, 04:28 AM
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27 Nov 2017, 12:02 AM
Sinclair dived and more or less admitted it post-match; "I felt a touch and I went down".

Not saying it changed the game, that the guy should have been on the pitch or that there was no contact, but football is not a non-contact sport, he was brushed, and that is being kind to Sinclair. It didn't alter his run in the slightest.

Had it been against us we'd be apoplectic. It was a dive.

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Posting an abbreviated comment to try and make a point. Full comment below.

Got to say I'm astonished that on a so called football forum there's so many fans not aware of the rules of the game. It's a penalty all day long.

“I have got through and felt some contact.

I felt he pulled me back, and I’ve gone down. It was definitely a pen. I’ve no qualms about that.

“Was it harsh on him to be sent off? That’s up to the referee. If he didn’t pull me, then I think I’m through on goal one v one. So that’s the ref’s decision but it’s definitely a penalty.
He wasn't pulled though, the guy makes contact for a half a second if that, and it's a touch not a pull; there's nothing there that impedes Sinclair at all. It's one of those instinctive things a defender does in those situations, reach out to pull the attacker back but you can clearly see when Kipre does this that he realises it would be a stupid thing to do and pulls his arm away again before any foul is committed. He does touch him but there's no pull.

I think it's a matter of perspective; in certain parts of the world, "highlighting" contact so that the referee has to make a decision is as basic a requirement as being able to pass a ball. Maybe I'm naive because it seems that this outlook more closely matches that of how football is played in Europe these days, so it could be an advantage to play that way, but I don't like to see players go down unless they are physically unable to stay on their feet. Not only was Sinclair completely able to do this, but the contact did not impede him in any way and wasn't a foul.

Would every person claiming this was a penalty, be of the same opinion had it happened to us in a Europa League final, for example? I would suspect that even watching a neutral game, many would call it a dive.

If you want to take it a stage further, then Moult was 'fouled' by Tierney. There was contact that definitely impeded the Motherwell player, completely accidental, but going by the logic that contact = foul then it's a PK.
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On another day these commentators would be saying he could have gone down, if anything he was too honest, Celtic need to get street smart especially in Europe...

Sinclair felt a pull and has gone down. Does the pull bring him down or does he take the maximum advantage of the fact he's been fouled? I'd say it's the latter but it doesn't alter the fact he's been impeded.

Footballers use every trick in the book to gain an advantage, some crossing a line and a foul is given. Motherwell regularly use outright thuggery as we saw with the Dembele leg breaker, the leg breaker on Tierney last year, the burst coupon on the zombie.

They totally abandon the principle of sporting acceptability to gain an advantage through intimidation (and serve notice in advance ).

So their boss can take his dignity, roll it into a spiky ball and shove it right up his arse.
Edited by Ned Rise, 27 Nov 2017, 11:45 AM.
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This place is hoaching with Celtic Da's these days.

So effing wit if he dived?
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1. It was a penalty.

2. It shouldn't really have been a red card, but it was a denial of a goalscoring opportunity so he had to go.

3. Kipre should have been sent off in the first anyway.

4. We would have won without the penalty and without the red card.

5. Craig Thomson should really find another way of spending his weekends.
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The Wizard of Tim
27 Nov 2017, 10:31 AM
We have went to that stadium for years and received "honest mistake" after "honest mistake" and told collectively to suck it up.
It was a soft pen- we were already one up- we deserved it- lets leave the collective navel gazing to the Huns- their WATP universe is blowing up in front of their eyes- I am off to run the country for Opus Dei
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This.

Said a few times on here the ICT penalty decision SF 2/3 years ago consiering 6 officals that day is the single most horrific/wrong decision I have ever seen in 30 odd years wathcing football.
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27 Nov 2017, 11:55 AM
1. It was a penalty.

2. It shouldn't really have been a red card, but it was a denial of a goalscoring opportunity so he had to go.

3. Kipre should have been sent off in the first anyway.

4. We would have won without the penalty and without the red card.

5. Craig Thomson should really find another way of spending his weekends.
Agree with you out with point 1.

Can see why he gave it but Sinclair made a meal.

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Looked to me gaffer gave him a polite/positive rollocking at half time as he was a different player 2nd half.

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He really isn't playing well. He came into it a bit in the second half when he had the freedom of the park, in the first half he wasr otten, again.

I think the penalty is soft.
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27 Nov 2017, 11:45 AM
This place is hoaching with Celtic Da's these days.

So effing wit if he dived?
It's the justification that is the worst. He dived. Who gives a feck? You can't have a team of thugs breaking players noses and setting out to deliberately injure the opposition, then cry when you've been cheated.

In fact, I hope we cheat them again to win our next two games. Then sign Moult for some derisory amount and let him rot with the reserves just to remind them of how much of a diddy club they are.
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Came alive when the game was won. Was a total imposter. Needs a serious boot up the arse.
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27 Nov 2017, 12:19 PM
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This place is hoaching with Celtic Da's these days.

So effing wit if he dived?
It's the justification that is the worst. He dived. Who gives a feck? You can't have a team of thugs breaking players noses and setting out to deliberately injure the opposition, then cry when you've been cheated.

In fact, I hope we cheat them again to win our next two games. Then sign Moult for some derisory amount and let him rot with the reserves just to remind them of how much of a diddy club they are.
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I think he's trying too hard, same with Griffiths last season, obviously feeling the pressure and it's getting to him.
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27 Nov 2017, 01:27 AM
Brilliant, Sinky drew the foul, pen, red card, get it up yeis......oh how they laughed and chanted on 22nd May 2005... good enough fur them..GIRFUT.

Look at Neymar drawing the pen against Monaco yesterday. There is a big difference between drawing a foul and diving,,,Sinky drew it, he didn't dive!
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27 Nov 2017, 11:44 AM
On another day these commentators would be saying he could have gone down, if anything he was too honest, Celtic need to get street smart especially in Europe...

Sinclair felt a pull and has gone down. Does the pull bring him down or does he take the maximum advantage of the fact he's been fouled? I'd say it's the latter but it doesn't alter the fact he's been impeded.

Footballers use every trick in the book to gain an advantage, some crossing a line and a foul is given. Motherwell regularly use outright thuggery as we saw with the Dembele leg breaker, the leg breaker on Tierney last year, the burst coupon on the zombie.

They totally abandon the principle of sporting acceptability to gain an advantage through intimidation (and serve notice in advance ).

So their boss can take his dignity, roll it into a spiky ball and shove it right up his arse.
Only need to go back about a year to simos pull on shinnie. "Too honest" etc.
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27 Nov 2017, 12:19 PM
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27 Nov 2017, 11:45 AM
This place is hoaching with Celtic Da's these days.

So effing wit if he dived?
It's the justification that is the worst. He dived. Who gives a feck? You can't have a team of thugs breaking players noses and setting out to deliberately injure the opposition, then cry when you've been cheated.

In fact, I hope we cheat them again to win our next two games. Then sign Moult for some derisory amount and let him rot with the reserves just to remind them of how much of a diddy club they are.
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27 Nov 2017, 12:19 PM
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27 Nov 2017, 11:45 AM
This place is hoaching with Celtic Da's these days.

So effing wit if he dived?
It's the justification that is the worst. He dived. Who gives a feck? You can't have a team of thugs breaking players noses and setting out to deliberately injure the opposition, then cry when you've been cheated.

In fact, I hope we cheat them again to win our next two games. Then sign Moult for some derisory amount and let him rot with the reserves just to remind them of how much of a diddy club they are.
What about teaching the children though..& cheating from SFA/Celtic.


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