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| Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really. | |
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| Midfield Maestro | 23 Feb 2017, 12:08 PM Post #1961 |
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There is absolutely nothing in Levein's history which suggests he is suited for a director of football role. It's just bizarre. The whole thing seems like a vanity project for a guy who was basically found out as a manager and has subsequently hid himself away in a role where he can play Champ Man without being the one getting the flak on the touchline and in the press. Everyone seems to think Budge is a genius, but she seems totally blinded by Levein. |
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| MILLIGANS ISLAND | 23 Feb 2017, 12:11 PM Post #1962 |
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....give us a glimmer......
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That's a pretty good way of framing it. Levein took the criticism after the Scotland job really,really badly I'm told. |
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| ronny_is_not_da_man | 23 Feb 2017, 12:12 PM Post #1963 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Totally agree. I would also add to that your captain needs to be a little mad in the head and have the same trait as the boss.When I played years ago, school and amateur level, I captained, and played alongside captains, who would think nothing of tearing people apart if they where playing pish. Most of the time it worked and whilst it's uncomfortable at the time people got the message. Played in many a game where at half time we were all at each others throats and calling each other pish. It would send us out in a different frame of mind. |
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| Gallowgate | 23 Feb 2017, 12:13 PM Post #1964 |
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First-team captain
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Maybe he didn't know what he was getting into. Going on the feedback we got on here from last night i.e. Cathro being directed by Levein's runner, you've got to wonder. The guy has looked like Little Boy Lost more or less from the start and bar a hunskelping, the team are toiling. In any event, he's right up against it now. |
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| Gallowgate | 23 Feb 2017, 12:32 PM Post #1965 |
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First-team captain
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Spot on. When Budge came in practically hand in hand with Levein, he bumped Locke, brought in Neilson who was first up in a new line of visionaries, tasked to write up a manual on the coaching and playing side. The concept was the next guy would seamlessly take over and he's here now and been treading water since his arrival. Seems he's being undermined by Levein and that will only end one way. Somebody will sit Budge down at some point and remove the Levein blindfold, though she doesn't intend sticking around indefinitely. In the meantime the club is going backwards. |
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| remy mcswain | 23 Feb 2017, 12:33 PM Post #1966 |
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Big in Canada
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Hearts also substituted their captain, Perry Kitchen, at half time. I believe he gets subbed regularly (probably because he is pretty poor), but this shows he shouldn't be the captain either. |
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| Kingslim | 23 Feb 2017, 12:40 PM Post #1967 |
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69 and counting
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don't think he'll get that far as we discussed a few weeks back. |
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| littlegmbhoy | 23 Feb 2017, 12:41 PM Post #1968 |
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Club Captain
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Roy Aitken was of limited ability but according to most who played with him in the hoops a great captain, talker and motivator. Fair to say Davie Hay & Billy both relied on Roy being their man in that era in the dressing room and around the club. We had limited teams in that era and maybe punched above our weight domestically against very good teams in the Sheep and United & of course 1988 was a year when Roy maybe shone his best in the role. |
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| ronny_is_not_da_man | 23 Feb 2017, 12:55 PM Post #1969 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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I was listening to Sportsound last night and Allan preseton I think it was, was absolutely slating him and the dude Martin?He was slaughtering Martin in particular and said he is the same and is always getting hooked at Half Time. Also ranted about him being an apparent dead ball specialist. Said his crossing is woeful. |
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| hazy | 23 Feb 2017, 12:57 PM Post #1970 |
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Getting on a bit
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I'm a little bit irritated that we seem to have landed into a position where the ramblings of Kris Boyd are held up across various types of media as some kind barometer. Hearts win: Boyd was talking pish Hearts lose: Boyd was spot on. To be used until Hearts win something, or the much more likely scenario that Cathro is booted. |
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| Jack Thaler | 23 Feb 2017, 01:07 PM Post #1971 |
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Flying North
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Neilson appointed Cowie as captain at the start of the season, then a month later handed the armband to Kitchen. It looked an odd move at the time. |
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| Mackin | 23 Feb 2017, 01:07 PM Post #1972 |
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The Ginty McGinty genius
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Levein was a director at Dundee United as well as being manager. He brought in Cathro there, and they had a lot of success bringing through youth. I'm not surprised they are trying to replicate that at Hearts. |
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| Midfield Maestro | 23 Feb 2017, 01:17 PM Post #1973 |
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They brought through two or three decent young players - Stuart Armstrong being the stand out by miles - and that's about it. Like Hearts, despite all the chat around youth development, they still ended up panic-signing a load of duds. |
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| Ned Rise | 23 Feb 2017, 02:24 PM Post #1974 |
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These boots were made for hunbustin'
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Was he of limited ability? He was no McStay for sure but I thought he was a very good Celtic player. Aside from that, I'm pretty sure that if him and Tommy Burns hadn't left (and to a lesser extent McGhee and McCarthy) we wouldn't have gone 6 years without a trophy. We lost lots of good experience with those guys. |
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| Quiet Assasin | 23 Feb 2017, 02:32 PM Post #1975 |
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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Kitchen was also benched for a few of the games they had decent results in. |
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| LambertandButler | 23 Feb 2017, 02:42 PM Post #1976 |
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The Greek Finance Minister
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Hmm - except they're not. They gave a 3 and a half year contract to a 27-year old French who's played 100 senior games. They signed two veteran Greek guys. They signed Aaron Hughes who is about 132. I don't think they really know what they're doing in terms of the first team. Although they certainly have the construction and media management side of the game down to a tee. I've never heard a Scottish club get a better press. Edited by LambertandButler, 23 Feb 2017, 02:42 PM.
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| ballbhoy | 23 Feb 2017, 03:29 PM Post #1977 |
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Club Captain
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Ian Cathro fits into the bigger picture in the fact that Hearts youths have been using his box soccer program for the last few seasons. I've seen the box soccer in action and the kids are streets ahead of their peers in technical ability. What I can't work out is whether that's because they've learned those skills at Box Soccer or whether they were already ahead of their peers and the kids used Box Soccer to hone their skills. Certainly when I watched Box Soccer kids from Dundee in a tournament they were miles ahead of other teams. Cathro will help ensure this program is running smoothly all the way through. Of course this doesn't help in the here and now. If I'm being honest I'd have thought the better appointment would have been McPhee first team manager and Cathro his number 2. McPhee is more used to dealing with personalities and isn't scared to voice his opinion. Indeed I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the job eventually. |
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| murphio | 23 Feb 2017, 03:41 PM Post #1978 |
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Could start a row in an empty room
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Who said he was a barmoter? His point was perfectly valid but folk were shooting the messenger and not the message. There is far more to successful management than having tactical knowledge or devising a coaching programme. You need to be a strong personality who is able to transfer your knowledge on to those in your charge. You need to be able to motivate and inspire people. I have no doubt Ian Cathro has some kind of future in the game but a manager? Can't see it, to me he just doesn't have the personality for it. |
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| duffsticks | 23 Feb 2017, 04:30 PM Post #1979 |
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Cheap aftershave and bullshampoo
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Hearts have been at the cutting edge of youth coaching for a while now, despite not having a lot of money to spend (a lot of what they spend is from fundraising). The general technical standard of the kids they're coaching is pretty high for the stature of the club. I have no idea the amount of input Levein has, but I gather it's a decent amount at least. |
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| tinsoldier | 23 Feb 2017, 04:42 PM Post #1980 |
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Older than dirt
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Perhaps Cathro sought out Levein's advice at half-time as opposed to being summoned? First managerial job, young guy, wouldn't be surprising if he did so especially as they were being outplayed. |
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Totally agree. I would also add to that your captain needs to be a little mad in the head and have the same trait as the boss.

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