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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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Seen the interview with Cathro this morning, looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights.

Doesn't seem to have any presence about him and doesn't look like he would have much authority going up against any strong willed senior players.


Don't think the experiment will last too long


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23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
Agree with this.

Levein is clearly the one calling the shots. As such, he should be the one out in front taking the flak.
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Much as I am loathe to say it, Kris Boyd was spot on re Cathro and I thought so at the time. You can get away with having a fairly ordinary grasp of tactics etc etc if you command the respect of your players and have them run through brick walls for you. Martin O'Neill is the obvious example. You cannot get away with lacking the ability to lead - regardless of how knowledgeable you are with systems etc. The best managers are, of course, the ones who can do both - and Brendan Rodgers is the rolemodel for this and we are lucky to have him. I thought Cathro was doomed to failure from the start.
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remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
Levein was running the show when Robbie was there too.
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remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
In Levein Ms Budge trusts - Not surprisingly therefore they are papped out :Bye: of the Cup when they would have had Ayr in the next rpund - Diets should not be happy chappies but as it is the Diets feck them - Keep trusting in Craig whilst he has Cathro as his fall guy.

You thought they were pish a few weeks ago - Were Hibs any better this time around remy?


Edit - On catch up just saw your comments re Hibs in the Match Thread - Good to see they have improved - Battle of the Greens on May 27th hopefully.
Edited by CaltonBhoy1967, 23 Feb 2017, 10:18 AM.
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remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
If that's all true, why not just make Levein the manager?
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23 Feb 2017, 09:56 AM
remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
Agree with this.

Levein is clearly the one calling the shots. As such, he should be the one out in front taking the flak.
I'm not overly enamored with the set up but Cathro's going to have to learn to sink or swim in those interviews and in general, as Neilson did. It's an excellent opportunity for Cathro although it looks too big for him right now.

The flak will come Levein's way if things don't improve but I imagine he's built up a decent amount of goodwill over the years, certainly at board level by the looks of it.
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23 Feb 2017, 10:10 AM
remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
If that's all true, why not just make Levein the manager?
Well it seemed to work last time out for one. They are trying to make a success of something that generally doesn't work in the UK. I get that it's more conventional overseas but everywhere is different.
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LambertandButler
23 Feb 2017, 10:10 AM
remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
If that's all true, why not just make Levein the manager?
Levein should get his jaiket off and get down to that dugout full time. Make Cathro his assistant. Feck this DoF pish.

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23 Feb 2017, 10:18 AM
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23 Feb 2017, 10:10 AM
remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
If that's all true, why not just make Levein the manager?
Well it seemed to work last time out for one. They are trying to make a success of something that generally doesn't work in the UK. I get that it's more conventional overseas but everywhere is different.
I don't think it's conventional anywhere for the director of football to be making the subs and giving the half time team talks.
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LambertandButler
23 Feb 2017, 10:10 AM
remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
If that's all true, why not just make Levein the manager?
Since the Scotland debacle levein has got all sensitive and would rather hide behind other coaches. He's been in charge of the team since he arrived there.

Cathro will get to the end of the season.
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Craig Levein has never won a major trophy as a player, manager or "director of football". Nearest misses were Hearts 1986 ( :lol: ) and Dundee United losing on penalties to the Huns in the 2008 League Cup final.
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remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
That's a crap state of affairs for Cathro then.
If Levein wants to manage the team then he should straight out come out and do it.
Don't hide behind Cathro.

Cathro should stand up for himself though and say exactly how it is.
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Well it seemed to work last time out for one. They are trying to make a success of something that generally doesn't work in the UK. I get that it's more conventional overseas but everywhere is different.
I don't think it's conventional anywhere for the director of football to be making the subs and giving the half time team talks.
Well that is surmising somewhat but based on what Remy noted I think it's fair to say Cathro is not taking command as he should, DoF or not. As I mentioned it's not a conventional role here so I'd be interested to know the particular model they are looking to emulate. My guess is they are doing it on the hoof.
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23 Feb 2017, 10:06 AM
remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
In Levein Ms Budge trusts - Not surprisingly therefore they are papped out :Bye: of the Cup when they would have had Ayr in the next rpund - Diets should not be happy chappies but as it is the Diets feck them - Keep trusting in Craig whilst he has Cathro as his fall guy.

You thought they were pish a few weeks ago - Were Hibs any better this time around remy?


Edit - On catch up just saw your comments re Hibs in the Match Thread - Good to see they have improved - Battle of the Greens on May 27th hopefully.
My mate was at the game and he said that Hibs were much the better team and deserved to win by about 5 or 6.
He could have been speaking through green tinted specs though.....
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23 Feb 2017, 10:44 AM
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23 Feb 2017, 10:06 AM
remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
In Levein Ms Budge trusts - Not surprisingly therefore they are papped out :Bye: of the Cup when they would have had Ayr in the next rpund - Diets should not be happy chappies but as it is the Diets feck them - Keep trusting in Craig whilst he has Cathro as his fall guy.

You thought they were pish a few weeks ago - Were Hibs any better this time around remy?


Edit - On catch up just saw your comments re Hibs in the Match Thread - Good to see they have improved - Battle of the Greens on May 27th hopefully.
My mate was at the game and he said that Hibs were much the better team and deserved to win by about 5 or 6.
He could have been speaking through green tinted specs though.....
Hibs battered them, Hearts were a mess and didn't deserve their goal.
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23 Feb 2017, 10:44 AM
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remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
In Levein Ms Budge trusts - Not surprisingly therefore they are papped out :Bye: of the Cup when they would have had Ayr in the next rpund - Diets should not be happy chappies but as it is the Diets feck them - Keep trusting in Craig whilst he has Cathro as his fall guy.

You thought they were pish a few weeks ago - Were Hibs any better this time around remy?


Edit - On catch up just saw your comments re Hibs in the Match Thread - Good to see they have improved - Battle of the Greens on May 27th hopefully.
My mate was at the game and he said that Hibs were much the better team and deserved to win by about 5 or 6.
He could have been speaking through green tinted specs though.....
Playing at home, with a more established team and a more experienced manager. Of course they won.
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23 Feb 2017, 10:41 AM
remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
That's a crap state of affairs for Cathro then.
If Levein wants to manage the team then he should straight out come out and do it.
Don't hide behind Cathro.

Cathro should stand up for himself though and say exactly how it is.
He knew what he was getting into
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remy mcswain
23 Feb 2017, 01:43 AM
Felt sorry for Cathro. Watched him closely tonight and he definitely isn't managing the team. Somebody from the dugout was up in the directors' box every 5 minutes, taking instructions from Levein and going back downstairs to relay them to Cathro. Levein left his seat 5 minutes before half time and went to the dressing room where he obviously told Cathro what subs to makeand, probably, gave team talk.

Saw Cathro post match. He looked like a wee student who was hanging about a stage door waitng for Belle and Sebastian. Some zoomer female Hearts fan had a go at him claiming he had told her they would definitely beat Hibs.

He's got a big job to turn it around. Hearts didn't lay a glove on a Championship side.
In Levein Ms Budge trusts - Not surprisingly therefore they are papped out :Bye: of the Cup when they would have had Ayr in the next rpund - Diets should not be happy chappies but as it is the Diets feck them - Keep trusting in Craig whilst he has Cathro as his fall guy.

You thought they were pish a few weeks ago - Were Hibs any better this time around remy?


Edit - On catch up just saw your comments re Hibs in the Match Thread - Good to see they have improved - Battle of the Greens on May 27th hopefully.
My mate was at the game and he said that Hibs were much the better team and deserved to win by about 5 or 6.
He could have been speaking through green tinted specs though.....
Your mate is spot on. Hibs gave them a doing and should have scored more. Game was unbelievably one sided.
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I had many good managers: Wim Jansen, Martin O’Neill, Frank Rijkaard and Alex Ferguson to name just a few. And Martin knew how to get everybody motivated. I remember when we were about to go onto the field at Liverpool in the season we reached the UEFA Cup final – we’d drawn 1-1 at Celtic Park so had to score at Anfield. The talk he gave before the game made everything sink in for me. I said to myself, ‘F**king hell, I will have no regrets after this game.’

This is what Cathro is lacking and it is something no top manager can do without. In that regard Kris Boyd was correct - you can have all the knowledge in the world but if you haven't got the ability to impart it onto people and inspire them to perform for you it is utterly useless.
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