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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,475 Views)
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Just noticed Kilmarnock are 6th in the league but have only won 5 out of 24 league games. :lol: Clark has probably been spinning that 6th place as a job well done.

Clubs seem to aspire to mediocrity from that part of the Premiership down. St Johnstone just about rise above it.

Often hear pundits talk about how exciting it is because it's close. Just looks to me like there are a whole number of garbage teams incapable of any degree of consistency. Dreadful.
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Forza
15 Feb 2017, 03:41 PM
Just noticed Kilmarnock are 6th in the league but have only won 5 out of 24 league games. :lol: Clark has probably been spinning that 6th place as a job well done.

Clubs seem to aspire to mediocrity from that part of the Premiership down. St Johnstone just about rise above it.

Often hear pundits talk about how exciting it is because it's close. Just looks to me like there are a whole number of garbage teams incapable of any degree of consistency. Dreadful.
In a oner :lol:
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15 Feb 2017, 03:41 PM
Just noticed Kilmarnock are 6th in the league but have only won 5 out of 24 league games. :lol: Clark has probably been spinning that 6th place as a job well done.

Clubs seem to aspire to mediocrity from that part of the Premiership down. St Johnstone just about rise above it.

Often hear pundits talk about how exciting it is because it's close. Just looks to me like there are a whole number of garbage teams incapable of any degree of consistency. Dreadful.
Some aspire to mediocrity, some are simply bound by their constraints. I don't think anyone would question the aspiration of Accies or Partick, given how many players they've developed between them. You could almost name an entire XI of academy graduates or kids picked up from the juniors between them.

Kilmarnock and Motherwell, on the other hand, are just guff. Outside that spell of relative success Motherwell had from 2011 to 2014 (curiously enough, under the guidance of a genuinely aspirational CEO, Leeann Dempster) neither of them have made any efforts to rise above their current situation.
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15 Feb 2017, 04:41 PM
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15 Feb 2017, 03:41 PM
Just noticed Kilmarnock are 6th in the league but have only won 5 out of 24 league games. :lol: Clark has probably been spinning that 6th place as a job well done.

Clubs seem to aspire to mediocrity from that part of the Premiership down. St Johnstone just about rise above it.

Often hear pundits talk about how exciting it is because it's close. Just looks to me like there are a whole number of garbage teams incapable of any degree of consistency. Dreadful.
Some aspire to mediocrity, some are simply bound by their constraints. I don't think anyone would question the aspiration of Accies or Partick, given how many players they've developed between them. You could almost name an entire XI of academy graduates or kids picked up from the juniors between them.

Kilmarnock and Motherwell, on the other hand, are just guff. Outside that spell of relative success Motherwell had from 2011 to 2014 (curiously enough, under the guidance of a genuinely aspirational CEO, Leeann Dempster) neither of them have made any efforts to rise above their current situation.
Derek Ferguson was saying on Sportsound last night that Derek McInnes has been overachieving :cuckoo: .

He's won 1 League Cup in a period where we can be beaten by anyone in a cup game, Newco were a lower league club, Hearts almost went out the game & went down & Hibs were well Hibs.

The sheep are knocked out of Europe by nobodies every other year bar the year they got Sociedad.

This is the mentality that your up against in Scotland.
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Thought Clark was a decent manager. There's only so far you can take a club like Killie.
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15 Feb 2017, 05:15 PM
Thought Clark was a decent manager. There's only so far you can take a club like Killie.
Really? He'd been there one year to the day. They've done alright to be clear of the bottom two spots, but its by virtue of a mere handful of points. No one would surprised to see that Killie team in the bottom 2 come the end May, whether with Clark or not.

They've got the worst goal difference in the league, showing that they've been on the end of a fair few hidings.

I don't think it should be beyond any manager who considers themselves to be above average to eventually consolidate a club in a St Johnstone type position. Especially when Hibs and Dundee United are not in the league.

It's undoubtedly a club that will be hamstrung until a solution is finally agreed to see that back of that clown Johnston.

Just always amazed by these managers who leave with the parting shot that they've taken Club X as far as they can when in reality they're actually a bit pish, and/or have lost interest.
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I live in hope and pray that kilmarnock get relegated, sooner rather than later.
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15 Feb 2017, 05:28 PM
I live and hope and pray that kilmarnock get relegated, sooner rather than later.
I am with you on that Wailer, would love to see them relegated.
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I live in hope and pray that kilmarnock get relegated, sooner rather than later.
Kilmarnock and ICT down, Hibs and Dundee Utd up. That would make me very happy.

If Kilmarnock ever do get relegated, and I hope it's sooner rather than later, they will never come back. :clap:
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15 Feb 2017, 05:28 PM
I live and hope and pray that kilmarnock get relegated, sooner rather than later.
I am with you on that Wailer, would love to see them relegated.
It's been an annual vigil that's bore no fruit yet, hopefully soon, hopefully.
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Elbows getting the gig until the end of the season, according to the BBC. :lol:
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15 Feb 2017, 05:28 PM
I live in hope and pray that kilmarnock get relegated, sooner rather than later.
Kilmarnock and ICT down, Hibs and Dundee Utd up. That would make me very happy.

If Kilmarnock ever do get relegated, and I hope it's sooner rather than later, they will never come back. :clap:
I'd have went Ross county but it's a toss up between them and ICT. Any 1 with Kilmarnock would be a result.
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Hope Killie don't go down. I've got an away record to continue building up :angry:
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15 Feb 2017, 05:42 PM
Hope Killie don't go down. I've got an away record to continue building up :angry:
If Utd and Hibs come up you have better away games for a start and Tannadice is usually FCFS. Pies are better too.
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15 Feb 2017, 04:41 PM
Forza
15 Feb 2017, 03:41 PM
Just noticed Kilmarnock are 6th in the league but have only won 5 out of 24 league games. :lol: Clark has probably been spinning that 6th place as a job well done.

Clubs seem to aspire to mediocrity from that part of the Premiership down. St Johnstone just about rise above it.

Often hear pundits talk about how exciting it is because it's close. Just looks to me like there are a whole number of garbage teams incapable of any degree of consistency. Dreadful.
Some aspire to mediocrity, some are simply bound by their constraints. I don't think anyone would question the aspiration of Accies or Partick, given how many players they've developed between them. You could almost name an entire XI of academy graduates or kids picked up from the juniors between them.

Kilmarnock and Motherwell, on the other hand, are just guff. Outside that spell of relative success Motherwell had from 2011 to 2014 (curiously enough, under the guidance of a genuinely aspirational CEO, Leeann Dempster) neither of them have made any efforts to rise above their current situation.
I thought Partick's Academy was now bankrolled to a large extent by the Weirs? I think all told they've put in over a million quid to the Academy over the last few years.

Might take a while to see a return but I'd say they probably had a higher youth development budget than the Premiership average.

As for Hamilton, their fans were talking about boycotting recently, so dreadful was/is the football under Canning. That said, it looks like their fans are boycotting most weeks as it is.

I've always wondered why Hamilton's fabled community work and youth development never translated into more punters through the gates. Think its something like 6 out of the last 9 seasons in the top flight. Somewhere along the line it appears someone's failing to translate their relative success into growing the fanbase.

Unlikely to happen under Canning right enough. :lol:
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15 Feb 2017, 05:35 PM
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15 Feb 2017, 05:28 PM
I live in hope and pray that kilmarnock get relegated, sooner rather than later.
Kilmarnock and ICT down, Hibs and Dundee Utd up. That would make me very happy.

If Kilmarnock ever do get relegated, and I hope it's sooner rather than later, they will never come back. :clap:
My son plays for one of the Killie academy teams. I see at first hand the work they do in the community for young boys and girls trying to become footballers. There's been a malaise around killie for years but, for obvious reasons, I'd like to see them get a reasonable manager and stay up. And to be honest I don't think Clarks heart was ever truly in it.
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15 Feb 2017, 05:24 PM
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15 Feb 2017, 05:15 PM
Thought Clark was a decent manager. There's only so far you can take a club like Killie.
Really? He'd been there one year to the day. They've done alright to be clear of the bottom two spots, but its by virtue of a mere handful of points. No one would surprised to see that Killie team in the bottom 2 come the end May, whether with Clark or not.

They've got the worst goal difference in the league, showing that they've been on the end of a fair few hidings.

I don't think it should be beyond any manager who considers themselves to be above average to eventually consolidate a club in a St Johnstone type position. Especially when Hibs and Dundee United are not in the league.

It's undoubtedly a club that will be hamstrung until a solution is finally agreed to see that back of that clown Johnston.

Just always amazed by these managers who leave with the parting shot that they've taken Club X as far as they can when in reality they're actually a bit pish, and/or have lost interest.
"A club like Killie" was probably the wrong wording. There is no club like them. You touched on the reason why, Johnston. No ambition outwith staying up every year. The new manager won't take them any further than Clark has.
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12 Feb 2017, 12:26 PM
I remember a mate talking to me about his Grandad, saying that in his last couple of years he had lost his mind and was completely confused, after he died they started to trace back his erratic decision making & settled on things he had done 8/10 years earlier that were baffling at the time.

If Alex Ferguson ends up like that they'll be diagnosing the day he suggested Moyes to be his replacement as the start of his decline.

Absolute fraud of a supposed top football manager, I'd argue his success at Everton wasn't all that either, he was just the 2000s Joe Kinear.

"He got Everton in to the Champions League" - No he didn't he lost a Champions League Qualifier just like Ronnie Deila did. 11 years at Everton never won once at Anfield, Old Trafford, HIghbury/ Emirates, Stamford Bridge.
I reckon Fergie knew he would flop. He wouldn't want some top drawer manager just walking in and winning everything straight from the off. That would make it look like Fergie had it easy.

It was his devious way of making the Utd fans dwell on what they had for a few more years.

obviously this probably wasn't the case, but you never know.
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Quite liked Clark but hoping Elbows is the man to secure Kilmarnock's future in the championship.
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15 Feb 2017, 05:38 PM
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15 Feb 2017, 05:35 PM
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15 Feb 2017, 05:28 PM
I live in hope and pray that kilmarnock get relegated, sooner rather than later.
Kilmarnock and ICT down, Hibs and Dundee Utd up. That would make me very happy.

If Kilmarnock ever do get relegated, and I hope it's sooner rather than later, they will never come back. :clap:
I'd have went Ross county but it's a toss up between them and ICT. Any 1 with Kilmarnock would be a result.
All of my fingers are crossed in a grotesque mitt yoga that they do go down. McCulloch and Fatty should be the catalyst for this. :pray:
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