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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,492 Views)
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9 Dec 2016, 01:50 PM
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And that's the way we like it...
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And is he a proper football man?
More to the point Kris wants to know about Cathro's Mac Book albeit I doubt that thick effwit would know what one was? He'd try to order it with a Happy Meal
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9 Dec 2016, 01:52 PM
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I was in the car last night and although I always switch the pair of dicks off, Durham and Gough on Talksport tore Kris Boyd to shreds regarding his 'article'. Durham didn't miss him. He made a valid point that BR and Warbs are managers of the two biggest clubs in the country and neither had a playing career. He also said that Boyd is a hypocrite and wouldn't dare say a bad word about Rangers. I couldn't believe that I was in complete agreement with that ginger carrot of a man.
Wouldn't give that station my time. Anti-Celtic and always choking to stick the boot into us, particularly that carrot Durham. I like H&J in the afternoon. Although, I think I was channel surfing and heard Cathro being mentioned.
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jim62
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9 Dec 2016, 02:30 PM
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up on the roof!!
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League rules my arse. it is part of the rules
http://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthespfl_1375800603.pdf
H9 In order to protect the pitch and unless otherwise agreed between both participating Clubs, the following procedures shall be adopted by Players and Officials in the periods immediately before and after and at half time during a League Match or Play-Off Match: H9.1 the pitch shall only be used for warming up or warming down by Players named on the lists of Players provided to the Referee not less than one hour before the time of kick-off; H9.2 pre-match warming up by either team shall not commence until at the earliest 45 minutes before the scheduled kick-off time, shall not last for more than 30 minutes, and shall end not later than 10 minutes before the scheduled kick-off time; H9.3 if portable goals are provided they shall be used for all goalkeeping drills other than crossing practice; H9.4 the goalmouth area shall be used by goalkeepers only if portable goals are not provided or for crossing practice and then only for not more than 20 minutes; H9.5 for the purposes of warming up and warming down each team shall use only part of the pitch between the edge of a penalty area and the half way line or as otherwise directed by the groundsman;
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9 Dec 2016, 02:36 PM
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Hope he gets the hun bastards relegated next season.
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9 Dec 2016, 02:41 PM
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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League rules my arse.
it is part of the rules http://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__therulesofthespfl_1375800603.pdfH9 In order to protect the pitch and unless otherwise agreed between both participating Clubs, the following procedures shall be adopted by Players and Officials in the periods immediately before and after and at half time during a League Match or Play-Off Match: H9.1 the pitch shall only be used for warming up or warming down by Players named on the lists of Players provided to the Referee not less than one hour before the time of kick-off; H9.2 pre-match warming up by either team shall not commence until at the earliest 45 minutes before the scheduled kick-off time, shall not last for more than 30 minutes, and shall end not later than 10 minutes before the scheduled kick-off time; H9.3 if portable goals are provided they shall be used for all goalkeeping drills other than crossing practice; H9.4 the goalmouth area shall be used by goalkeepers only if portable goals are not provided or for crossing practice and then only for not more than 20 minutes;H9.5 for the purposes of warming up and warming down each team shall use only part of the pitch between the edge of a penalty area and the half way line or as otherwise directed by the groundsman; Every day is a school day
Suppose it depends what the goalkeeper was doing if he was breaking the rules or not.
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9 Dec 2016, 05:29 PM
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Pretty sure the argument would be that it was a shooting drill for the outfield players rather than solely for the goalkeeper like most other drills at the goals would be.
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9 Dec 2016, 05:45 PM
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I was in the car last night and although I always switch the pair of dicks off, Durham and Gough on Talksport tore Kris Boyd to shreds regarding his 'article'. Durham didn't miss him. He made a valid point that BR and Warbs are managers of the two biggest clubs in the country and neither had a playing career. He also said that Boyd is a hypocrite and wouldn't dare say a bad word about Rangers. I couldn't believe that I was in complete agreement with that ginger carrot of a man.
Wouldn't give that station my time. Anti-Celtic and always choking to stick the boot into us, particularly that carrot Durham.
I like H&J in the afternoon. Although, I think I was channel surfing and heard Cathro being mentioned. Listen to talk sport every day, rather surprisingly Jim White is pretty positive about Celtic and talks the club and the supporters up quite a lot, He's been pretty quiet about the club he supports recently though when it became evident that the gap was much wider than a lot of them thought
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9 Dec 2016, 05:59 PM
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Including Alan Brazil ?
That man is an oaf, wouldn't be able to name u 2 Celtic players - he was delighted at the 'return of Glasgow rangers' He was not alone among Celtic fans in that regard.
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9 Dec 2016, 06:24 PM
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Tbh, I feel a bit ambiguous about the 'Well/Celtic row over the warmup location. Many people have remarked on the surprisingly high quality of the Fir Park pitch after many years of it being rightly described as a quagmire. So it's hard to fault their groundsman for trying to protect it after all the hard work of getting it to this point. and now we find that they were simply applying league rules by asking Celtic to move. It would seem from what McFadden is saying is that Davies could be the one in the wrong, but of course we don't know what was said to him and whether it was said in a an aggressive manner or as a respectful request. Brendan obviously had to support his assistant, but the whole thing is starting to sound a bit childish on our part, I'm sorry to say.
Edit:. Ambivalent not ambiguous.
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9 Dec 2016, 07:14 PM
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Poster of the Tuesday afternoon!
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I dont know what will be funnier, Cathro being a success and "real football men" being made to look like idiots or Cathro being a failure and those who have overracted to warranted scepticism being made to look foolish.
Either way it is going to be fun.
Some skepticism is warranted, absolutely. The opinions which have been getting focused on have been stone age idiocy however, and is a world away from skepticism.
Are ye getting that from yer internet computer ya daftie? I cannae figure out of this is a sarcastic impersonation of the type of idiocy that Cathro's detractors have come out with or a genuine dig at the other poster
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9 Dec 2016, 07:25 PM
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Are ye getting that from yer internet computer ya daftie?
I cannae figure out of this is a sarcastic impersonation of the type of idiocy that Cathro's detractors have come out with or a genuine dig at the other poster It was a dig at Boydie etc
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9 Dec 2016, 07:56 PM
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I don't believe you...you're a liar!
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Handbags on that BT show there about him. Naturally Sutton annoys Craigan 😂
Good on Hearts for giving somebody new a go as opposed to heading for Jim Jeffries et al again - non stop failures who get job after job.
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10 Dec 2016, 10:31 AM
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Here's the transcript of Sutton Vs Cragan on BT Sport about Cathro.
Chris Sutton enrages fellow pundit with Ian Cathro support
Spoiler: click to toggle Chris Sutton is firmly in the pro-Cathro camp. CRAIG FOWLER AND JOEL SKED Viewers tuning into BT Sport’s pre-match coverage of Celtic’s trip to Partick Thistle were treated to a fiery debate between pundits Chris Sutton and Stephen Craigan over the merits of Ian Cathro as new head coach of Hearts. Most interesting expiring contracts in the Scottish Premiership It’s been the leading discussion in Scottish football this week after the 30-year-old was selected to replace Robbie Neilson at the Tynecastle club. Some point to his lack of knowledge in terms of playing the game, while others cite his varied experience as an assistant manager in Portugal, Spain and England. As they tend to do, the BT Sports analysts went head-to-head on the subject, with Craigan becoming visibly annoyed at Sutton’s support of the hiring. Here’s a transcript of the conversation after Sutton asked fellow panelist Alan Stubbs why the appointment should be considered “brave”: Craigan interjects: “Because he has never had a job before.” Sutton: “But he’s had four years of experience, in Portugal at Rio Ave, at Valencia and at Newcastle! He’s got every right. I think there’s a jealousy factor here, Darrell!” Craigan turns away and mumbles, possibly expletive before: “Nonsense.” Sutton: “He’s a young man, he deserves his opportunity. He’s better qualified than you, Crags!” Craigan: “I know he is! So what!?” Sutton: “What’s the big problem?” Craigan: “He hasn’t got his pro-licence I have. There you go. He hasn’t completed it so he’s not.” Sutton: “He’s got more coaching experience.” Craigan: “So what?! I don’t care. I don’t want his job. I never wanted his job. I’ve no issues with Ian Cathro one little bit, none at all. Good luck to him. But it is the cheerleading round about (him) as if he is something different, he’s new.” Sutton: “He fits their model.” Craigan: “I’ve heard ridiculous, ludicrous . . . a pioneer of football? He’s a football coach, an innovator. He’s not Thomas Edison, he didn’t invent the lightbulb.” Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hearts/chris-sutton-enrages-fellow-pundit-with-ian-cathro-support-1-4313924
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10 Dec 2016, 10:47 AM
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Craigan really lost it last night about Cathro
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10 Dec 2016, 10:52 AM
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Assistant manger sticking up for his manager, otherwise known as a slow news week, WELL WAR OF WORDS James McFadden says Celtic should take a close look at their own conduct at Fir ParkThe Motherwell No2 insists the Steelmen's conscience is clear following the row over where the Hoops warmed up Spoiler: click to toggle BY DAVID FRIEL MOTHERWELL were accused of dirty tricks by Celtic after a Fir Park rammy. But James McFadden insists the Steelmen’s conscience is clear following the row over where the Hoops warmed up. And the Well No2 insists the Hoops should take a close look at their own conduct before and after the game. Celtic No2 Chris Davies had a post-match rammy with Mark McGhee and claimed Motherwell tried to “disrupt” his team on and off the pitch. Well assistant Faddy hit back at his counterpart and instead slammed Celtic for their Fir Park behaviour. He said: “We were not unsettling Celtic. They warmed up in an area of the pitch that they were not meant to be warming up in. “Davies wasn’t listening to the groundsman, so the manager went up and told him to move, and he wasn’t happy. “There was a portable goal provided and they have to shoot into that by league rules. “We have got one of the best pitches in the league and we want to keep it that way. “It’s not unsettling. It’s a lack of respect from Celtic to say: ‘We don’t care. We will just shoot into the goals. We will do what we want.’ “The manager was not unsettling them. That’s just him using his authority to go up and say: ‘You are in the wrong place, go and move.’ “There was nothing during the game in terms of animosity, nothing back and forward. “Then Chris Davies comes up and doesn’t shake hands after the game, which for me is a lack of respect. “He put his face in other people’s faces so the manager took offence at that and quite rightly so. “For me, that is a lack of respect to everyone involved, especially considering how well we played and how much of a test we gave them. “I think he should have come up and said ‘Well done, hard lines’. He didn’t, and that’s what got the manager’s back up. “To come and go right in someone’s face having refused a handshake and make a gesture is totally wrong, no matter who you are.” McFadden also revealed that Motherwell gave Celtic access to Fir Park 24 hours before the epic 4-3 match. He insists Well have every right to give their side of the story after Davies hit back. He said: “It was always going to come to a point where Celtic had a chance to speak about it and bring the manager’s name down. “Now we are getting the chance to say how it went down. Then people can make their minds up. “Celtic warmed up in the wrong area, the groundsman asked him to move and he said no. “Celtic also asked if they could come on Friday to put their kit in the away dressing room. “It’s the dressing room that our young boys use to get changed in when they train on a Saturday morning. “So they could not use their dressing room because we allowed Celtic to come in and put their kit in. “If we were trying to unsettle them we would have told them: ‘No, you can come in and put your kit in a couple of hours before kick-off.’ “We acted in our interests but in a fair manner and they didn’t.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/281204/james-mcfadden-says-celtic-should-take-a-look-at-their-own-conduct-at-fir-park/ "You are in the wrong place, go and move.’
'so the manager went up and told him to move'
If that was how you spoke to him no wonder he told you to feck off.
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10 Dec 2016, 03:25 PM
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Assistant manger sticking up for his manager, otherwise known as a slow news week, WELL WAR OF WORDS James McFadden says Celtic should take a close look at their own conduct at Fir ParkThe Motherwell No2 insists the Steelmen's conscience is clear following the row over where the Hoops warmed up Spoiler: click to toggle BY DAVID FRIEL MOTHERWELL were accused of dirty tricks by Celtic after a Fir Park rammy. But James McFadden insists the Steelmen’s conscience is clear following the row over where the Hoops warmed up. And the Well No2 insists the Hoops should take a close look at their own conduct before and after the game. Celtic No2 Chris Davies had a post-match rammy with Mark McGhee and claimed Motherwell tried to “disrupt” his team on and off the pitch. Well assistant Faddy hit back at his counterpart and instead slammed Celtic for their Fir Park behaviour. He said: “We were not unsettling Celtic. They warmed up in an area of the pitch that they were not meant to be warming up in. “Davies wasn’t listening to the groundsman, so the manager went up and told him to move, and he wasn’t happy. “There was a portable goal provided and they have to shoot into that by league rules. “We have got one of the best pitches in the league and we want to keep it that way. “It’s not unsettling. It’s a lack of respect from Celtic to say: ‘We don’t care. We will just shoot into the goals. We will do what we want.’ “The manager was not unsettling them. That’s just him using his authority to go up and say: ‘You are in the wrong place, go and move.’ “There was nothing during the game in terms of animosity, nothing back and forward. “Then Chris Davies comes up and doesn’t shake hands after the game, which for me is a lack of respect. “He put his face in other people’s faces so the manager took offence at that and quite rightly so. “For me, that is a lack of respect to everyone involved, especially considering how well we played and how much of a test we gave them. “I think he should have come up and said ‘Well done, hard lines’. He didn’t, and that’s what got the manager’s back up. “To come and go right in someone’s face having refused a handshake and make a gesture is totally wrong, no matter who you are.” McFadden also revealed that Motherwell gave Celtic access to Fir Park 24 hours before the epic 4-3 match. He insists Well have every right to give their side of the story after Davies hit back. He said: “It was always going to come to a point where Celtic had a chance to speak about it and bring the manager’s name down. “Now we are getting the chance to say how it went down. Then people can make their minds up. “Celtic warmed up in the wrong area, the groundsman asked him to move and he said no. “Celtic also asked if they could come on Friday to put their kit in the away dressing room. “It’s the dressing room that our young boys use to get changed in when they train on a Saturday morning. “So they could not use their dressing room because we allowed Celtic to come in and put their kit in. “If we were trying to unsettle them we would have told them: ‘No, you can come in and put your kit in a couple of hours before kick-off.’ “We acted in our interests but in a fair manner and they didn’t.” https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/281204/james-mcfadden-says-celtic-should-take-a-look-at-their-own-conduct-at-fir-park/
"You are in the wrong place, go and move.’ 'so the manager went up and told him to move' If that was how you spoke to him no wonder he told you to feck off. McGhee seems a confrontational eejit. He's been spending his time with Strachan learning how to be an arrogant irritant.
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10 Dec 2016, 07:05 PM
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another defeat for norwich. cant see alex neill lasting much longer
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10 Dec 2016, 07:29 PM
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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another defeat for norwich. cant see alex neill lasting much longer Neither can I.
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10 Dec 2016, 08:54 PM
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Bolstering the duty of good faith
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Tbh, I feel a bit ambiguous about the 'Well/Celtic row over the warmup location. Many people have remarked on the surprisingly high quality of the Fir Park pitch after many years of it being rightly described as a quagmire. So it's hard to fault their groundsman for trying to protect it after all the hard work of getting it to this point. and now we find that they were simply applying league rules by asking Celtic to move. It would seem from what McFadden is saying is that Davies could be the one in the wrong, but of course we don't know what was said to him and whether it was said in a an aggressive manner or as a respectful request. Brendan obviously had to support his assistant, but the whole thing is starting to sound a bit childish on our part, I'm sorry to say.
Edit:. Ambivalent not ambiguous. I agree with this. The balance of the argument seems to be squarely in Motherwell's favour from what we've seen so far. If Celtic were indeed flouting rules, consciously or unconsciously, someone at the club might need to get a grip. A proper professional approach to little regulatory details isn't an optional extra, it's a necessity.
I don't know what the consequences are for breaching this particular rule and I don't expect they'll be serious but it would be unwise to get into a habit of ignoring seemingly unimportant rules and regulations. There's a fair old list of clubs who have had victories overturned or found themselves disqualified from cup tournaments purely because nobody on the management team took sufficient care over paperwork.
If there are coaches at Celtic who aren't aware of the rules that Jim quoted then I'd have a slight worry that perhaps some other departments aren't on top of eligibility criteria or the latest updates on banned substances and so on.
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10 Dec 2016, 09:14 PM
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up on the roof!!
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Tbh, I feel a bit ambiguous about the 'Well/Celtic row over the warmup location. Many people have remarked on the surprisingly high quality of the Fir Park pitch after many years of it being rightly described as a quagmire. So it's hard to fault their groundsman for trying to protect it after all the hard work of getting it to this point. and now we find that they were simply applying league rules by asking Celtic to move. It would seem from what McFadden is saying is that Davies could be the one in the wrong, but of course we don't know what was said to him and whether it was said in a an aggressive manner or as a respectful request. Brendan obviously had to support his assistant, but the whole thing is starting to sound a bit childish on our part, I'm sorry to say.
Edit:. Ambivalent not ambiguous.
I agree with this. The balance of the argument seems to be squarely in Motherwell's favour from what we've seen so far. If Celtic were indeed flouting rules, consciously or unconsciously, someone at the club might need to get a grip. A proper professional approach to little regulatory details isn't an optional extra, it's a necessity. I don't know what the consequences are for breaching this particular rule and I don't expect they'll be serious but it would be unwise to get into a habit of ignoring seemingly unimportant rules and regulations. There's a fair old list of clubs who have had victories overturned or found themselves disqualified from cup tournaments purely because nobody on the management team took sufficient care over paperwork. If there are coaches at Celtic who aren't aware of the rules that Jim quoted then I'd have a slight worry that perhaps some other departments aren't on top of eligibility criteria or the latest updates on banned substances and so on. I would be utterly utterly utterly effing astonished if we were deducted points for warming up in the wrong place
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