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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,501 Views)
tonyjaa-csc
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ballbhoy
30 Nov 2016, 11:57 PM
Seemingly Cathro and Austin McPhee will be the new men at Hearts.

Hearts already use Cathro's Box Soccer set-up in their youth set up. Austin McPhee an interesting number 2.
Austin McPhee is a great appointment if true.
Is he leaving the norn iron set up?
Never heard of http://www.boxsoccertraining.co.uk before
Edited by tonyjaa-csc, 1 Dec 2016, 12:37 AM.
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30 Nov 2016, 12:16 PM
The new manager of the team I follow in Sweden is younger than me and I am now officially old :(
1. Bundesliga leaders RB Salzburg :boik: have a 29 year old as manager

Michelsen have been a good manager for SønderjyskE, going to be interesting to see what he can do with Hammarby

Talking shampooe ( me)

Edited by jow, 1 Dec 2016, 01:36 AM.
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tonyjaa-csc
30 Nov 2016, 06:22 PM
U have to remember that Nielsen's deal was up in the summer and no sign of a renewal
And that Levein does 90% of the work there and leaves Neilsen to face the media and put out the cones....
Eh naw.
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Money money money I think. League 1 in particular exists in it's current form purely so that Sky can pump wee teams for cash at a regional level. The Championship has some good teams and some shampooe in it but the incredible PR from Sky has lead that league to becoming a genuine baby EPL. That being said, nobody outside of England cares about L1 or the Championship. Neilson has made a financial decision and probably hopes it leads to a call from an upper tier Championship club in the next couple of years.
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ballbhoy
30 Nov 2016, 11:57 PM
Seemingly Cathro and Austin McPhee will be the new men at Hearts.

Hearts already use Cathro's Box Soccer set-up in their youth set up. Austin McPhee an interesting number 2.
Austin McPhee is a great appointment if true.
Is he leaving the norn iron set up?
Never heard of http://www.boxsoccertraining.co.uk before
I think he will stay on at both. Although I see one of the tabloids is running with McPhee to be Scotland Performance director. I'd be surprised if he took that position.

Box Soccer is a training system whereby the kids play within a 20m^2 box. Increases time on the ball. I've seen some of the youth players who've been in this system and they are technically miles ahead of their peers who do not use it. Both Gauld and Soutar used box soccer. It was Cathro who started it as a young lad. Now it's starting to roll out as a franchise. Always been dubious about these things but having seen some of the kids it's a winner for me.

Hearts started using box soccer for their 7 aside youths about 2 years ago.
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According to Clyde Austin McPhee was the most impressive interviewee for the SFA performance job. Maybe they're planning on appointing him in an attempt to get Michael O'Neil in as Strachans replacement?
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No news on Neilson yet?
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greenjedi
1 Dec 2016, 05:38 PM
No news on Neilson yet?
Aye someone drove his car out of their training ground with a Robbie Neilson mask on. Neilson then snuck out in another motor.
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Hats off to Gareth Southgate. Thought his interview/press conference comments showed genuine empathy and class when discussing such a horrific subject. :worthy:
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1 Dec 2016, 05:38 PM
No news on Neilson yet?
Now confirmed that he is off
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No news on Neilson yet?
Now confirmed that he is off
http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5575
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1 Dec 2016, 03:30 AM
Money money money I think. League 1 in particular exists in it's current form purely so that Sky can pump wee teams for cash at a regional level. The Championship has some good teams and some shampooe in it but the incredible PR from Sky has lead that league to becoming a genuine baby EPL. That being said, nobody outside of England cares about L1 or the Championship. Neilson has made a financial decision and probably hopes it leads to a call from an upper tier Championship club in the next couple of years.
I think you've got it about right. A good salary increase no doubt and the chance of greater exposure in a quest for a bigger job in the near future. It's maybe not a huge gamble either as if it all goes tits up in England he would get a decent job back in Scotland eventually based on his Hearts record.
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greenjedi
1 Dec 2016, 05:38 PM
No news on Neilson yet?
Now confirmed that he is off
http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5575
I read somewhere that even though they walked the Championship and finished 3rd when they came back up, there is an element in the Hearts support that didn't like Hearts playing style - or lack of - and never forgave Neilson for getting knocked out the Scottish Cup by Hibs after they were two up in the first game and lost the replay. He probably has taken his chance to bail out while the going is still good, imagine the backlash against him if Hearts had gone on a bad run and slipped down the table.
Whether or not he really was just the public face of Levein running things, who knows.
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http://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5575
I read somewhere that even though they walked the Championship and finished 3rd when they came back up, there is an element in the Hearts support that didn't like Hearts playing style - or lack of - and never forgave Neilson for getting knocked out the Scottish Cup by Hibs after they were two up in the first game and lost the replay. He probably has taken his chance to bail out while the going is still good, imagine the backlash against him if Hearts had gone on a bad run and slipped down the table.
Whether or not he really was just the public face of Levein running things, who knows.
I don't think they've spent a penny in transfer fees, yet have a better starting squad than Rangers and one that is pretty comparable to Aberdeen's. Their approach to scouting and scouring all over for signings is working well.

Not sure how much of that is down to Neilson, but there certainly seems to be a whiff of ungratefulness and unrealistic expectations about the whole thing.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5575
I read somewhere that even though they walked the Championship and finished 3rd when they came back up, there is an element in the Hearts support that didn't like Hearts playing style - or lack of - and never forgave Neilson for getting knocked out the Scottish Cup by Hibs after they were two up in the first game and lost the replay. He probably has taken his chance to bail out while the going is still good, imagine the backlash against him if Hearts had gone on a bad run and slipped down the table.
Whether or not he really was just the public face of Levein running things, who knows.
I don't think they've spent a penny in transfer fees, yet have a better starting squad than Rangers and one that is pretty comparable to Aberdeen's. Their approach to scouting and scouring all over for signings is working well.

Not sure how much of that is down to Neilson, but there certainly seems to be a whiff of ungratefulness and unrealistic expectations about the whole thing.
Exactly, your point about the unrealistic expectations, the fact he spent virtually no money and having a squad at least as good as the Huns, if not better, and in a position to at least challenge Aberdeen for second spot makes his lack of favour among some of the support a bit strange. Not sure if it is a majority or just a vocal minority.
Compare the likes of Bjorn Johnsen and Don Cowie to the money Warburton spunked on the likes of Joe Garner and Barton, even the wages that Senderos must be on. I think they paid an "undisclosed sum" for Souttar, but apart from that, I don't think they paid a fee for any of their current squad, not sure if they paid a loan fee for Tony Watt.
It wouldn't be any surprise at all if they finished second or third and a good bit ahead of the Huns either.
Edited by AG67, 2 Dec 2016, 02:16 PM.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5575
I don't think they've spent a penny in transfer fees, yet have a better starting squad than Rangers and one that is pretty comparable to Aberdeen's. Their approach to scouting and scouring all over for signings is working well.

Not sure how much of that is down to Neilson, but there certainly seems to be a whiff of ungratefulness and unrealistic expectations about the whole thing.
Exactly, your point about the unrealistic expectations, the fact he spent virtually no money and having a squad at least as good as the Huns, if not better, and in a position to at least challenge Aberdeen for second spot makes his lack of favour among some of the support a bit strange. Not sure if it is a majority or just a vocal minority.
Compare the likes of Bjorn Johnsen and Don Cowie to the money Warburton spunked on the likes of Joe Garner and Barton, even the wages that Senderos must be on. I think they paid an "undisclosed sum" for Souttar, but apart from that, I don't think they paid a fee for any of their current squad, not sure if they paid a loan fee for Tony Watt.
It wouldn't be any surprise at all if they finished second or third and a good bit ahead of the Huns either.
Me neither,across the park on Wednesday man for man they were better than sevco.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5575
I don't think they've spent a penny in transfer fees, yet have a better starting squad than Rangers and one that is pretty comparable to Aberdeen's. Their approach to scouting and scouring all over for signings is working well.

Not sure how much of that is down to Neilson, but there certainly seems to be a whiff of ungratefulness and unrealistic expectations about the whole thing.
Exactly, your point about the unrealistic expectations, the fact he spent virtually no money and having a squad at least as good as the Huns, if not better, and in a position to at least challenge Aberdeen for second spot makes his lack of favour among some of the support a bit strange. Not sure if it is a majority or just a vocal minority.
Compare the likes of Bjorn Johnsen and Don Cowie to the money Warburton spunked on the likes of Joe Garner and Barton, even the wages that Senderos must be on. I think they paid an "undisclosed sum" for Souttar, but apart from that, I don't think they paid a fee for any of their current squad, not sure if they paid a loan fee for Tony Watt.
It wouldn't be any surprise at all if they finished second or third and a good bit ahead of the Huns either.
The vocal minority are those who can never quite get over losing a 2 goal lead against their biggest rivals with ten minutes to go at home in the Scottish Cup, then losing the replay. They don't need much reminding of what Hibs went onto achieve that season either, and I don't think it does Neilson's standing with them any favours. :lol:

For some, he'll always be the Hearts manager who's team bottled it as Hibs won the cup after 114 years. Not too dissimilar to Ronny Deila being the man who couldn't coach a win over a second tier Sevco.

The utterly shambolic loss to a part time Maltese outfit in the Europa League only hardened those gripes further. A complete embarrassment.

In 2014/15, even a Hearts team emerging from administration would have been expected to come second. They came first, so they overachieved. The bottom line though is he got them promoted, which with two spots potentially up for grabs, would have been expected anyway.

In a league with no Sevco, they then finished third last season. Entirely as expected.

They spent £170,000 on John Souttar. I think only Kenny McLean has cost more for a non-Glasgow Scottish club in recent years. Players like Djoum, Cowie, Ozturk, Rossi, Watt and Oshaniwa are on decent money, in purely comparative SPFL terms. I also think guys like Moussa Sow and Djoum, who are probably the biggest contributors to Hearts success over the last two and a half seasons, are a direct result of Levein's contacts, not anyone else at Hearts.

They are currently second partly by virtue of playing 2 more games than Aberdeen, which is directly a consequence of being papped out of the League Cup early (again).

There's no doubt Neilson has done alright, but he's at a club that regardless of how it was being run prior to 2014, should not really be entertaining coming any less than third or fourth, especially in a league with no Hibs or Dundee United in it. If there's some plaudits in being above a truly abysmal Sevco team on goals difference at this point despite a smaller wage bill, then I guess you could count that as success.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5575
I don't think they've spent a penny in transfer fees, yet have a better starting squad than Rangers and one that is pretty comparable to Aberdeen's. Their approach to scouting and scouring all over for signings is working well.

Not sure how much of that is down to Neilson, but there certainly seems to be a whiff of ungratefulness and unrealistic expectations about the whole thing.
Exactly, your point about the unrealistic expectations, the fact he spent virtually no money and having a squad at least as good as the Huns, if not better, and in a position to at least challenge Aberdeen for second spot makes his lack of favour among some of the support a bit strange. Not sure if it is a majority or just a vocal minority.
Compare the likes of Bjorn Johnsen and Don Cowie to the money Warburton spunked on the likes of Joe Garner and Barton, even the wages that Senderos must be on. I think they paid an "undisclosed sum" for Souttar, but apart from that, I don't think they paid a fee for any of their current squad, not sure if they paid a loan fee for Tony Watt.
It wouldn't be any surprise at all if they finished second or third and a good bit ahead of the Huns either.
Agree with that. Neilson did a good job. Surprised the Hearts fans wanted him out.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5575
Exactly, your point about the unrealistic expectations, the fact he spent virtually no money and having a squad at least as good as the Huns, if not better, and in a position to at least challenge Aberdeen for second spot makes his lack of favour among some of the support a bit strange. Not sure if it is a majority or just a vocal minority.
Compare the likes of Bjorn Johnsen and Don Cowie to the money Warburton spunked on the likes of Joe Garner and Barton, even the wages that Senderos must be on. I think they paid an "undisclosed sum" for Souttar, but apart from that, I don't think they paid a fee for any of their current squad, not sure if they paid a loan fee for Tony Watt.
It wouldn't be any surprise at all if they finished second or third and a good bit ahead of the Huns either.
Agree with that. Neilson did a good job. Surprised the Hearts fans wanted him out.
Their away record is awful,and was holding them back.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/5575
Agree with that. Neilson did a good job. Surprised the Hearts fans wanted him out.
Their away record is awful,and was holding them back.
Fair point but I just can't see anyone doing much better than Neilson has. They are second in the table and they did well last season.

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