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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,202 Views)
puroresu_boy
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I personally think the manager should have to be eligible for the nation in the way a player is. However whilst the rule exists that you can have foreign managers, we’d be stupid not to explore the option and get the best possible man for the job.
and that's the idea, right there.
Who should that be though? Clarke would be the best shot for me but I actually don't think he'd walk out on Kilmarnock. If he would then great, but I can't see it.

Smith at the very least will be able to manage the team properly. He might have waked out on them, he might have all this murkiness going on in the background, but objectively speaking, what are we actually hoping for here?

For me it's about getting in a guy who wins the games he should be winning and punches above his weight in the ones where Scotland are the outsiders. As much as people on here don't like it, Smith fits that criteria. Chequebook or no chequebook, he knows how to motivate players and organise them.

I'm not sure there's anyone else out there that could do much better.
Does he?

A guy who hasn't coached for 7 years fits the criteria? The game changes quickly and I have no faith that a limited coach at the best of times has what it takes to come in after being out for so long and make it work.

If the requirement of the Manager is to simply organise and motivate I ask why was Strachan sacked?

What can Smith do which Strachan cannot? By all accounts the players were huge fans of Strachan. If all we want is someone to organise then I really feel there are plenty out there who can do that.

How about showing some actual ambition and aim a bit higher. Go with someone progressive, a coach in the game who is actually doing something rather than sitting at home in retirement. Walter Smith wouldn't be offered any other job right now other than Sevco FC yet the SFA feel his the answer? Madness.
Edited by puroresu_boy, 7 Feb 2018, 05:26 PM.
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7 Feb 2018, 04:37 PM

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Who should that be though? Clarke would be the best shot for me but I actually don't think he'd walk out on Kilmarnock. If he would then great, but I can't see it.

Smith at the very least will be able to manage the team properly. He might have waked out on them, he might have all this murkiness going on in the background, but objectively speaking, what are we actually hoping for here?

For me it's about getting in a guy who wins the games he should be winning and punches above his weight in the ones where Scotland are the outsiders. As much as people on here don't like it, Smith fits that criteria. Chequebook or no chequebook, he knows how to motivate players and organise them.

I'm not sure there's anyone else out there that could do much better.
Does he?

A guy who hasn't coached for 7 years fits the criteria? The game changes quickly and I have no faith that a limited coach at the best of times has what it takes to come in after being out for so long and make it work.

If the requirement of the Manager is to simply organise and motivate I ask why was Strachan sacked?

What can Smith do which Strachan cannot? By all accounts the players were huge fans of Strachan. If all we want is someone to organise then I really feel there are plenty out there who can do that.

How about showing some actual ambition and aim a bit higher. Go with someone progressive, a coach in the game who is actually doing something rather than sitting at home in retirement. Walter Smith wouldn't be offered any other job right now other than Sevco FC yet the SFA feel his the answer? Madness.
To be honest I don't think Strachan should have left but here we are nonetheless. For me, international football is different. With Celtic I want the wins but I also want us to play in a style which is in keeping with the history of the club. With Scotland it's just about results. We're a tiny country that spent decades punching above our weight. We've had twenty years without our country competing in a major tournament.

I just want Scotland to get results and qualify. Don't care how they do it or how pig ugly it is. Smith is in the results business. Objectively speaking it makes sense.

I get what you're saying about grass roots level. That aspect of our game is a mess but we can let other people like Malky McKay worry about that. For me, an international manager is only really there to get the best results out of the squad he has. Rodgers is trying to reinvent Celtic but I don't think that's the criteria we need for an international manager.
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7 Feb 2018, 05:08 PM
I'm not sure there's anyone else out there that could do much better.
Ahh. The Deila defence. T'is been a while.
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7 Feb 2018, 04:37 PM
I personally think the manager should have to be eligible for the nation in the way a player is. However whilst the rule exists that you can have foreign managers, we’d be stupid not to explore the option and get the best possible man for the job.
I agree on both points
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7 Feb 2018, 04:37 PM
I personally think the manager should have to be eligible for the nation in the way a player is. However whilst the rule exists that you can have foreign managers, we’d be stupid not to explore the option and get the best possible man for the job.
I agree on both points
Why do you agree on the first point? It's completely irrelevant.
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tinytim81
7 Feb 2018, 05:08 PM
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7 Feb 2018, 04:37 PM
I personally think the manager should have to be eligible for the nation in the way a player is. However whilst the rule exists that you can have foreign managers, we’d be stupid not to explore the option and get the best possible man for the job.
and that's the idea, right there.
Who should that be though? Clarke would be the best shot for me but I actually don't think he'd walk out on Kilmarnock. If he would then great, but I can't see it.

Smith at the very least will be able to manage the team properly. He might have waked out on them, he might have all this murkiness going on in the background, but objectively speaking, what are we actually hoping for here?

For me it's about getting in a guy who wins the games he should be winning and punches above his weight in the ones where Scotland are the outsiders. As much as people on here don't like it, Smith fits that criteria. Chequebook or no chequebook, he knows how to motivate players and organise them.

I'm not sure there's anyone else out there that could do much better.

Edit: i realise the irony in being fine with Clarke leaving Killie but not being okay with Smith doing the same to Scotland.
Can he get players to play for Scotland that are also eligible for
another country ,cheeky wee EBT maybe.
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7 Feb 2018, 06:04 PM
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7 Feb 2018, 05:57 PM
seaneh
7 Feb 2018, 04:37 PM
I personally think the manager should have to be eligible for the nation in the way a player is. However whilst the rule exists that you can have foreign managers, we’d be stupid not to explore the option and get the best possible man for the job.
I agree on both points
Why do you agree on the first point? It's completely irrelevant.
I don’t have particularly strong feelings either way about this but I suppose you could say it goes against the spirit of international football to start bringing managers in from other countries. Isn’t the whole point of international football meant to be the best of one country taking on the best of another? It’s also a huge slap in the face to coaches from that nation. If the SFA appoint a foreign manager, at the very least that has to raise questions about why we haven’t managed to produce a single coach of our own capable of doing the job. I’m not sure the SFA wants to tug at that thread as ultimately the buck stops with them.
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tinytim81
7 Feb 2018, 05:08 PM
I'm not sure there's anyone else out there that could do much better.
Ahh. The Deila defence. T'is been a while.
You really are a little kid aren't you :lol:
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7 Feb 2018, 07:01 PM
You really are a little kid aren't you :lol:
Nah. Just a guy that's spotted the same meaningless guff that was trotted out just over 18 months back.
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What the eff did the esteemed Cardigan achieve as Scotland manager? I must have nodded off and missed it.
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Why do you agree on the first point? It's completely irrelevant.
I don’t have particularly strong feelings either way about this but I suppose you could say it goes against the spirit of international football to start bringing managers in from other countries. Isn’t the whole point of international football meant to be the best of one country taking on the best of another? It’s also a huge slap in the face to coaches from that nation. If the SFA appoint a foreign manager, at the very least that has to raise questions about why we haven’t managed to produce a single coach of our own capable of doing the job. I’m not sure the SFA wants to tug at that thread as ultimately the buck stops with them.
Aye this really. The point may not be relevant as such, but as an aside I generally agree with it. Until such times that it is the rules (unlikely admittedly ), should go for best man for the job regardless of where he is from. I'd take Bilic over Smith or Mackey. Wouldn't mind Clarke.
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The S.F.A should be ridiculed and laughed at for failing to look outwith Scotland for the best possible person for the job. Its the workings of an institution that has run it's course and has no imanigination for the future.
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7 Feb 2018, 08:03 PM
The S.F.A should be ridiculed and laughed at for failing to look outwith Scotland for the best possible person for the job. Its the workings of an institution that has run it's course and has no imanigination for the future.
Who's out there at the moment that you think would be a good fit? Someone like Hiddink would be great but is he even interested in being an international manager anymore?
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7 Feb 2018, 07:46 PM
What the eff did the esteemed Cardigan achieve as Scotland manager? I must have nodded off and missed it.
Sweet Eff A that's what. The system needs an overhaul and we would bring back a dinosaur who only prospered as he was part of a cheating organisation and played a style that would get football banned. We really are at rock bottom as a nation when you hear the suggested coaches.
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The S.F.A should be ridiculed and laughed at for failing to look outwith Scotland for the best possible person for the job. Its the workings of an institution that has run it's course and has no imanigination for the future.
Who's out there at the moment that you think would be a good fit? Someone like Hiddink would be great but is he even interested in being an international manager anymore?
Why not Hiddink maybe if he was asked he would take the job. I bet you there are people on this forum who could make a decent list of managers that the S.F.A could look at. . Its the lack of imanigination that kills me looking at people like Smith and McLeish. We all know why the media want people like Smith it's not a big secret.
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The S.F.A should be ridiculed and laughed at for failing to look outwith Scotland for the best possible person for the job. Its the workings of an institution that has run it's course and has no imanigination for the future.
Who's out there at the moment that you think would be a good fit? Someone like Hiddink would be great but is he even interested in being an international manager anymore?
:ffs:

It's up to the SFA to appoint someone, not a guy on a messageboard.

But to play along, Steve Clarke, Neil Lennon, Jack Ross, hell even John Collins should all be considered, I think all are fairly realistic.
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The S.F.A should be ridiculed and laughed at for failing to look outwith Scotland for the best possible person for the job. Its the workings of an institution that has run it's course and has no imanigination for the future.
Who's out there at the moment that you think would be a good fit? Someone like Hiddink would be great but is he even interested in being an international manager anymore?
:ffs:

It's up to the SFA to appoint someone, not a guy on a messageboard.

But to play along, Steve Clarke, Neil Lennon, Jack Ross, hell even John Collins should all be considered, I think all are fairly realistic.
:ffs: I think your missing my point there are people at the S.F.A who are getting a good wage who should be in the know about managers outwith Scotland who would fit the bill but can't see past people like Smith. They should appoint the best possible candidate for the job whether Scottish or not.
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7 Feb 2018, 05:55 PM
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7 Feb 2018, 05:08 PM
I'm not sure there's anyone else out there that could do much better.
Ahh. The Deila defence. T'is been a while.
Ah the Deila card. That's all in the past and not relevant now, remember?
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7 Feb 2018, 08:48 PM
Ah the Deila card. That's all in the past and not relevant now, remember?
:lol:

Quite some leap there. 18 months isn't quite last century now, is it?
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Smith was already out of date when he was still managing.

If he's appointed as manager then it's fecking shambles waiting to happen.
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