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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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6 Feb 2018, 11:34 PM
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Wait, I had something for this...
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Considering the success Smith had at the hun almost none of his ex-players have had successful managerial careers. As far as I can tell only McInnes has won a major trophy as a manager. For comparison, at least 3 players who played under Tommy Burns have went in to win a Scottish or League Cup. The idea that’s being touted by some in the media, of having Smith guide a younger coach, is fanciful. Some zoomer was on SSB earlier suggesting Keith Lasley as his assistant
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7 Feb 2018, 12:12 AM
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The fact that the S.F.A are hardly looking outwith Scotland is a sad indictment on the whole set up at Hampden. They should be looking at managers from different backgrounds in world football and listening to what they have to say on the game whether they are appointed or not. Bringing back Walter Smith will set the national team back years if that's possible.
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7 Feb 2018, 12:15 AM
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The fact that the S.F.A are hardly looking outwith Scotland is a sad indictment on the whole set up at Hampden. They should be looking at managers from different backgrounds in world football and listening to what they have to say on the game whether they are appointed or not. Bringing back Walter Smith will set the national team back years if that's possible.
Chick Young was babbling on about the next manager having to be Scottish on the radio last week.
When asked why this was the case, Chick couldn’t give an answer.
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7 Feb 2018, 12:27 AM
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The fact that the S.F.A are hardly looking outwith Scotland is a sad indictment on the whole set up at Hampden. They should be looking at managers from different backgrounds in world football and listening to what they have to say on the game whether they are appointed or not. Bringing back Walter Smith will set the national team back years if that's possible.
Chick Young was babbling on about the next manager having to be Scottish on the radio last week. When asked why this was the case, Chick couldn’t give an answer. Aye it's a joke
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7 Feb 2018, 12:28 AM
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The fact that the S.F.A are hardly looking outwith Scotland is a sad indictment on the whole set up at Hampden. They should be looking at managers from different backgrounds in world football and listening to what they have to say on the game whether they are appointed or not. Bringing back Walter Smith will set the national team back years if that's possible.
Chick Young was babbling on about the next manager having to be Scottish on the radio last week. When asked why this was the case, Chick couldn’t give an answer. I know the answer and you know the answer but they think we are all daft.
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7 Feb 2018, 12:35 AM
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The fact that the S.F.A are hardly looking outwith Scotland is a sad indictment on the whole set up at Hampden. They should be looking at managers from different backgrounds in world football and listening to what they have to say on the game whether they are appointed or not. Bringing back Walter Smith will set the national team back years if that's possible.
Chick Young was babbling on about the next manager having to be Scottish on the radio last week. When asked why this was the case, Chick couldn’t give an answer.
I know the answer and you know the answer but they think we are all daft. Well quite
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7 Feb 2018, 02:28 AM
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Considering the success Smith had at the hun almost none of his ex-players have had successful managerial careers. As far as I can tell only McInnes has won a major trophy as a manager. For comparison, at least 3 players who played under Tommy Burns have went in to win a Scottish or League Cup. The idea that’s being touted by some in the media, of having Smith guide a younger coach, is fanciful.
Was Van Bronckhorst there in Smiths last season? Not saying he's a good coach but Gattuso's face must fit to get the Milan gig. They call it a coaching tree in the states. I have a feeling Martin O'Neills may end up pretty decent- Lambert, Lennon, McNamara, Burchill have had varying success. Sutton was a failure, Larsson wasn't great, John Kennedy and Steve Guppy are youth team coaches. I've no idea what his Leicester or Villa team players are doing these days.
John Kennedy is a youth team coach ??
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7 Feb 2018, 06:56 AM
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Considering the success Smith had at the hun almost none of his ex-players have had successful managerial careers. As far as I can tell only McInnes has won a major trophy as a manager. For comparison, at least 3 players who played under Tommy Burns have went in to win a Scottish or League Cup. The idea that’s being touted by some in the media, of having Smith guide a younger coach, is fanciful.
Was Van Bronckhorst there in Smiths last season? Not saying he's a good coach but Gattuso's face must fit to get the Milan gig. Steve Guppy are youth team coaches Gupp is a coach for the Rep Of Ireland national team under MON
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7 Feb 2018, 08:30 AM
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Craig Swan has Smith as the Scotland manager with McInnes and Clark helping him out. Why?
Appointing Walter Smith would be the first step on the SFA's path to redemption - Swan The former Rangers boss has been approached over a second spell in the Scotland dugout.
Spoiler: click to toggle ByCraig Swan Walter Smith taking charge of Scotland would be the first step in the right direction by the SFA. If they then follow a secondary plan similar to one in which the 69-year-old worked through over three decades ago, the country might just get the perfect recipe for a major tournament breakthrough. Quite simply, we can have the very best of both worlds scenario. If Smith wants to take this job and can be convinced by the SFA that he is the man, then that would look like a fine choice. He has the wealth of knowledge, the experience and can command the instant respect of the players. Smith is a leader of men, a respected figure and a guy who can handle everything that comes with the job and make sure that everything runs smoothly off the park. The big argument against him is that he hasn’t managed a team for seven years. That does not seem like a big problem for this column. A man of that nous doesn’t just forget how to set up a football team. But, for anyone who does feel it might be an issue, there is a golden opportunity to give Scotland the best of both worlds. During the qualification period for Mexico 1986, Jock Stein was the experienced man at the helm. The worldly-wise boss. However, Stein was also aware of the bubbling talent of coaches working within the Scottish game at that time and he was not too shy or too proud to get them involved and use their younger eyes and ideas. The pros and cons of Walter Smith returning to Scotland jobSir Alex Ferguson, who was conquering all with Aberdeen, was drafted into the set up. So was Jim McLean, who was working miracles at Dundee United. Smith himself, coaching superbly for McLean at Tannadice, was also involved onto the senior scene having worked with the Under-18 side and Under-21 side. Stein tapped into the expertise of those boys on the ground. Now, on the face of it, there seems to be two choices for the SFA. Do they go with the experience of Smith? Or do they appoint one of the young up and coming thrusters? But what if it doesn’t need to be either or? Individuals such as Derek McInnes and Steve Clarke are Scottish and doing wonderful jobs for their clubs. Aberdeen have been sensational under their manager for the guts of four years and Kilmarnock are absolutely flying with their gaffer at the helm. Realistically, it’s hard to imagine any of those guys wanting to give up the day-to-day involvement with the game, not to mention the compensation haggling with both clubs. Being on the training pitch and working each day with their troops is what they savour. It’s the stage of their careers at the moment and becoming full-time international managers doesn’t seem appropriate. But that doesn’t mean they cannot go in and work with Smith on a game-to-game basis. Gordon Strachan often made it his business to call guys up, but with the greatest of respect to talented individuals such as Tony Docherty and Callum Davidson, it was often a mystery why not go for the No.1s instead of their assistants. Smith must be given the choice of backroom team. It was the same in his first time in office when he made it crystal clear he wanted Tommy Burns as one of his assistants when not all inside the SFA were in favour of him choosing that particular lieutenant. Imgaine McInnes and Clarke working beside Smith? Incidentally, McInnes and Clarke are the ones mentioned because they are most recognisable and Scottish figures working here at the moment, but you could make that Paul Lambert or Gary Caldwell or any other young manager working their way up. But if it was McInnes and Clarke, you get all the knowledge and experience of a top-class respected figure leading the whole scenario, but you also then get the cream of the coaches working right now in the Scottish Premiership. Let’s be clear. Smith might not want any of those two. He might not like them. He might not fancy working with them. But given the way he spoke so highly of McInnes during the period when Rangers were hunting a new gaffer and also given the track record and people who Clarke has worked alongside, it’s hard to imagine an issue. Surely it’s worth the SFA asking Aberdeen and Kilmarnock the question if Smith agrees. Stein, Ferguson, McLean and Smith made such a system work back in the 1908s. There is no reason why it couldn’t be a major success once again. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/appointing-walter-smith-would-first-11980924
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7 Feb 2018, 08:33 AM
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Craig Swan has Smith as the Scotland manager with McInnes and Clark helping him out. Why? Appointing Walter Smith would be the first step on the SFA's path to redemption - SwanThe former Rangers boss has been approached over a second spell in the Scotland dugout. Spoiler: click to toggle ByCraig Swan Walter Smith taking charge of Scotland would be the first step in the right direction by the SFA. If they then follow a secondary plan similar to one in which the 69-year-old worked through over three decades ago, the country might just get the perfect recipe for a major tournament breakthrough. Quite simply, we can have the very best of both worlds scenario. If Smith wants to take this job and can be convinced by the SFA that he is the man, then that would look like a fine choice. He has the wealth of knowledge, the experience and can command the instant respect of the players. Smith is a leader of men, a respected figure and a guy who can handle everything that comes with the job and make sure that everything runs smoothly off the park. The big argument against him is that he hasn’t managed a team for seven years. That does not seem like a big problem for this column. A man of that nous doesn’t just forget how to set up a football team. But, for anyone who does feel it might be an issue, there is a golden opportunity to give Scotland the best of both worlds. During the qualification period for Mexico 1986, Jock Stein was the experienced man at the helm. The worldly-wise boss. However, Stein was also aware of the bubbling talent of coaches working within the Scottish game at that time and he was not too shy or too proud to get them involved and use their younger eyes and ideas. The pros and cons of Walter Smith returning to Scotland jobSir Alex Ferguson, who was conquering all with Aberdeen, was drafted into the set up. So was Jim McLean, who was working miracles at Dundee United. Smith himself, coaching superbly for McLean at Tannadice, was also involved onto the senior scene having worked with the Under-18 side and Under-21 side. Stein tapped into the expertise of those boys on the ground. Now, on the face of it, there seems to be two choices for the SFA. Do they go with the experience of Smith? Or do they appoint one of the young up and coming thrusters? But what if it doesn’t need to be either or? Individuals such as Derek McInnes and Steve Clarke are Scottish and doing wonderful jobs for their clubs. Aberdeen have been sensational under their manager for the guts of four years and Kilmarnock are absolutely flying with their gaffer at the helm. Realistically, it’s hard to imagine any of those guys wanting to give up the day-to-day involvement with the game, not to mention the compensation haggling with both clubs. Being on the training pitch and working each day with their troops is what they savour. It’s the stage of their careers at the moment and becoming full-time international managers doesn’t seem appropriate. But that doesn’t mean they cannot go in and work with Smith on a game-to-game basis. Gordon Strachan often made it his business to call guys up, but with the greatest of respect to talented individuals such as Tony Docherty and Callum Davidson, it was often a mystery why not go for the No.1s instead of their assistants. Smith must be given the choice of backroom team. It was the same in his first time in office when he made it crystal clear he wanted Tommy Burns as one of his assistants when not all inside the SFA were in favour of him choosing that particular lieutenant. Imgaine McInnes and Clarke working beside Smith? Incidentally, McInnes and Clarke are the ones mentioned because they are most recognisable and Scottish figures working here at the moment, but you could make that Paul Lambert or Gary Caldwell or any other young manager working their way up. But if it was McInnes and Clarke, you get all the knowledge and experience of a top-class respected figure leading the whole scenario, but you also then get the cream of the coaches working right now in the Scottish Premiership. Let’s be clear. Smith might not want any of those two. He might not like them. He might not fancy working with them. But given the way he spoke so highly of McInnes during the period when Rangers were hunting a new gaffer and also given the track record and people who Clarke has worked alongside, it’s hard to imagine an issue. Surely it’s worth the SFA asking Aberdeen and Kilmarnock the question if Smith agrees. Stein, Ferguson, McLean and Smith made such a system work back in the 1908s. There is no reason why it couldn’t be a major success once again. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/appointing-walter-smith-would-first-11980924 Stein, Ferguson, McLean and Smith made such a system work back in the 1908s
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7 Feb 2018, 08:51 AM
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Interesting that It is being spun as "if Walter is to be convinced" rather than "if Walter is to convince the sfa"
Sook the rancid old ebt hun boaby and be grateful for it.
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7 Feb 2018, 09:05 AM
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Craig Swan has Smith as the Scotland manager with McInnes and Clark helping him out. Why? Appointing Walter Smith would be the first step on the SFA's path to redemption - SwanThe former Rangers boss has been approached over a second spell in the Scotland dugout. Spoiler: click to toggle ByCraig Swan Walter Smith taking charge of Scotland would be the first step in the right direction by the SFA. If they then follow a secondary plan similar to one in which the 69-year-old worked through over three decades ago, the country might just get the perfect recipe for a major tournament breakthrough. Quite simply, we can have the very best of both worlds scenario. If Smith wants to take this job and can be convinced by the SFA that he is the man, then that would look like a fine choice. He has the wealth of knowledge, the experience and can command the instant respect of the players. Smith is a leader of men, a respected figure and a guy who can handle everything that comes with the job and make sure that everything runs smoothly off the park. The big argument against him is that he hasn’t managed a team for seven years. That does not seem like a big problem for this column. A man of that nous doesn’t just forget how to set up a football team. But, for anyone who does feel it might be an issue, there is a golden opportunity to give Scotland the best of both worlds. During the qualification period for Mexico 1986, Jock Stein was the experienced man at the helm. The worldly-wise boss. However, Stein was also aware of the bubbling talent of coaches working within the Scottish game at that time and he was not too shy or too proud to get them involved and use their younger eyes and ideas. The pros and cons of Walter Smith returning to Scotland jobSir Alex Ferguson, who was conquering all with Aberdeen, was drafted into the set up. So was Jim McLean, who was working miracles at Dundee United. Smith himself, coaching superbly for McLean at Tannadice, was also involved onto the senior scene having worked with the Under-18 side and Under-21 side. Stein tapped into the expertise of those boys on the ground. Now, on the face of it, there seems to be two choices for the SFA. Do they go with the experience of Smith? Or do they appoint one of the young up and coming thrusters? But what if it doesn’t need to be either or? Individuals such as Derek McInnes and Steve Clarke are Scottish and doing wonderful jobs for their clubs. Aberdeen have been sensational under their manager for the guts of four years and Kilmarnock are absolutely flying with their gaffer at the helm. Realistically, it’s hard to imagine any of those guys wanting to give up the day-to-day involvement with the game, not to mention the compensation haggling with both clubs. Being on the training pitch and working each day with their troops is what they savour. It’s the stage of their careers at the moment and becoming full-time international managers doesn’t seem appropriate. But that doesn’t mean they cannot go in and work with Smith on a game-to-game basis. Gordon Strachan often made it his business to call guys up, but with the greatest of respect to talented individuals such as Tony Docherty and Callum Davidson, it was often a mystery why not go for the No.1s instead of their assistants. Smith must be given the choice of backroom team. It was the same in his first time in office when he made it crystal clear he wanted Tommy Burns as one of his assistants when not all inside the SFA were in favour of him choosing that particular lieutenant. Imgaine McInnes and Clarke working beside Smith? Incidentally, McInnes and Clarke are the ones mentioned because they are most recognisable and Scottish figures working here at the moment, but you could make that Paul Lambert or Gary Caldwell or any other young manager working their way up. But if it was McInnes and Clarke, you get all the knowledge and experience of a top-class respected figure leading the whole scenario, but you also then get the cream of the coaches working right now in the Scottish Premiership. Let’s be clear. Smith might not want any of those two. He might not like them. He might not fancy working with them. But given the way he spoke so highly of McInnes during the period when Rangers were hunting a new gaffer and also given the track record and people who Clarke has worked alongside, it’s hard to imagine an issue. Surely it’s worth the SFA asking Aberdeen and Kilmarnock the question if Smith agrees. Stein, Ferguson, McLean and Smith made such a system work back in the 1908s. There is no reason why it couldn’t be a major success once again. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/appointing-walter-smith-would-first-11980924
Stein, Ferguson, McLean and Smith made such a system work back in the 1908s Then they were thwarted by the Great War.
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7 Feb 2018, 09:06 AM
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Time to roll out George Peat's plastic dinosaur, even that would be a better option than the Cardigan.
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This is just completely killing the game for me. I can't handle the media, SFA and their Hun attitudes anymore. Its a effing disgrace.
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7 Feb 2018, 09:34 AM
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This is just completely killing the game for me. I can't handle the media, SFA and their Hun attitudes anymore. Its a effing disgrace. Just follow the tic and laugh at Scotland. That’s what I plan on doing
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7 Feb 2018, 09:41 AM
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Walter Smith lol
A 70 year old who hasn't coached for 7 years should never be an option.
There is a big wide world out there full of coaches yet the SFA come up with Walter Smith.
It's truly embarrassing!!!
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7 Feb 2018, 09:41 AM
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I don’t think Clarke would be interested in it. Presumably he is hoping to replace Brendan Rodgers. The Scotland job is too much of a gamble at this stage, I expect he’ll want to stay on at Killie or step up to Aberdeen/Hibs/Hearts, depending on when BR moves on.
The Scotland job has too many elements that a manager can’t control, and it’s a very big stage from which to fall. Usually only desperados and part-time retirees are willing to manage international teams. Especially poor-average ones like Scotland.
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7 Feb 2018, 09:41 AM
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- 5 Feb 2018, 06:49 PM
The Loyal Cardigan's name being linked by the Daily Record with the Scotland manager's job will only have appeared in the Daily Record by kind permission of the Loyal Cardigan
My view is its another Jabba sponsored piece of spin.
He would love to get one of his own behind the doors of the SFA even if it is just as a manager.
If Sir Legned does get the job watch for the spin from Jabbas minions to get a(nother) dyed in the wool hun as the top post at the SFA. He's running scared in case some 'neutral' gets the job and starts to scrape the surface and expose the extensive corruption within our games top level.
Can we have a 'Shred-It' van watch set up?
Edit to include the extensive corruption involved in getting the huns their UEFA licence and all associated corruption involved with bringing Newhun into the game.
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- 7 Feb 2018, 09:41 AM
I don’t think Clarke would be interested in it. Presumably he is hoping to replace Brendan Rodgers. The Scotland job is too much of a gamble at this stage, I expect he’ll want to stay on at Killie or step up to Aberdeen/Hibs/Hearts, depending on when BR moves on.
The Scotland job has too many elements that a manager can’t control, and it’s a very big stage from which to fall. Usually only desperados and part-time retirees are willing to manage international teams. Especially poor-average ones like Scotland. There are too many variables i feel for Clarke to think along these lines. Rodgers could be here for another season or he could be here for another ten seasons. Clarke will lose his best players at Kilmarnock at the end of this season and half his squad seems to be made up of veterans on one year contracts. He’ll need to rebuild that team every year for as long as he stays there, which is a pretty thankless task. Given he’s already tried management down south, with mixed success, I reckon he’d see the Scotland job as pretty prestigious in comparison to what else is out there for him right now. With a great chance of qualifying for Euro 2020 due to the new set-up of the tournament, he may find he could do what Chris Coleman and Michael O’Neill have done and end up with his reputation enhanced.
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- idyllwild
- 7 Feb 2018, 09:41 AM
I don’t think Clarke would be interested in it. Presumably he is hoping to replace Brendan Rodgers. The Scotland job is too much of a gamble at this stage, I expect he’ll want to stay on at Killie or step up to Aberdeen/Hibs/Hearts, depending on when BR moves on.
The Scotland job has too many elements that a manager can’t control, and it’s a very big stage from which to fall. Usually only desperados and part-time retirees are willing to manage international teams. Especially poor-average ones like Scotland. It's only his "word" obviously, and in football words can easily be broken, but before Christmas when McInnes was concomitantly staying at Aberdeen and binning Sevco, Clarke was asked at the Killie AGM about taking that job and he said he would not leave Kilmarnock for another Scottish club.
Would hint that he sees his future being back in England at some point.
Having read into it a bit, as well as simply being back in employment, it seems to suit Clarke being back in Scotland at this stage of his career/life, or more accurately at this point in his parents lives. He's been away more than 30 years.
Apparently he has already said he does not want the Scotland job, but I have not read the quote.
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