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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,208 Views)
TheScotsman
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horatiogreen
6 Feb 2018, 01:43 AM
Just had a look on skybet, and these are the odds currently being offered:

Walter Smith
7/4
Scot Gemmill
9/4
Malky Mackay
4/1
Alex McLeish
8/1
Gary Caldwell
9/1
Steve Clarke
10/1
Stuart McCall
10/1

It's embarassing that McLeish and Smith are even being considered, but other than Clarke there is nobody on the list who should be in with a chance.
It’s easy to criticise but you’re forgetting some of the achievements of the guys on that list
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Edited by TheScotsman, 6 Feb 2018, 03:27 AM.
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Mickeybhoy84
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It’s going to be Smith with an apprentice (maybe a Caldwell or Cathro type). Obviously that worked so well when he had McCoist learning from him at the oldco.
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Bogroleum
6 Feb 2018, 12:02 AM
I would take Smith back at Scotland in a heartbeat.
Wrong forum chief? :suspect:
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Ricky Spanish
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What’s Walter smith going to do. The only time he’s won anything is when he was managing a financially doped team giving him a massive advantage over everyone else.
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Truly depressing news. Scottish football seems to want to be a permanent footballing backwater.

Walter effing Smith. :ffs:
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The SFA is clearly at it. I’m sure in the comfort of Alan McRae’s office, it was easy to misunderstand just who the “we” was when he said “we should bring back Walter”.

I honestly despair. I find it quite comical when ra Peepul get all nostalgic and equate “Walter” with better days, whilst simultaneously ignoring his key roll in their downfall. But, at a time when the organisation requires some fresh thinking, the “get Walter” banter sounds increasingly like the sort of Buck-fuelled rant you’d hear on Paisley Road West after Murtinho had blobbed it again.
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Over on RM they have upped their rage with the news that Walter may be the next Scotland manager.

They think because of "the way Scottish football treated them", Walter should tell them to eff off.

They think Walter should be managing them "in their time of need" and if Walter becomes Scotland manager he will be finished for a lot of them.

I don't want the old obnoxious bastard anywhere near the Scotland team but sometimes when I read how upset they are over this I sometimes want him to become the (short term) manager.

No doubt when Smith doe snot get the job they will sppin their mantra to say that Walter said NO!

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Forza
5 Feb 2018, 03:09 PM
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BardseyCelt
5 Feb 2018, 01:58 PM

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Smith got a group with the 2 sides who contested the World Cup final 3 months earlier, he beat France at home & drew with Italy at home.

Levein shat it from the worse Czech team in a generation not playing a striker.

I'm not advocating Smith to get the job, but anyone who doesn't believe he improved Scotland & did better than anyone else has in that job for nearly 20 years are at it.

I wouldn't go for him his time has been & gone but people are trying to rewrite history here.
We'll never know if he improved Scotland

He took over when Scotland were 86th in the world rankings.
And took them to 14th. So we kinda do know.

Not exactly an exciting, forward thinking choice but i think he might do ok for Scotland, if appointed.

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Smith has always been good at spotting opportunities to make himself look good before leaving others to clean up his mess. He’s probably looked at the new set-up of the Euros, which makes it harder for average national teams to fail to qualify than actually qualify. Probably thinks he can take Scotland to Euro 2020, be lauded as the first manager to take us to a major tournament for over 20 years, and then retire and leave some fall guy like McCoist to inherit an ageing team with little or no chance of reaching the World Cup.
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6 Feb 2018, 09:22 AM
Smith has always been good at spotting opportunities to make himself look good before leaving others to clean up his mess. He’s probably looked at the new set-up of the Euros, which makes it harder for average national teams to fail to qualify than actually qualify. Probably thinks he can take Scotland to Euro 2020, be lauded as the first manager to take us to a major tournament for over 20 years, and then retire and leave some fall guy like McCoist to inherit an ageing team with little or no chance of reaching the World Cup.
I reckon you're bang on there :thumbsup:

After having an ex-Celtic manager in the job for a few years (and even an ex-Celtic player taking the team in the interim) the SFA will be keen to "balance it out" by having huns in charge for the next decade or so. If it isn't Smith, you can bet your house on it being another hun who gets the job.
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Did Rangers actually pay the compensation due to the SFA after Smith walked out on Scotland the last time?

According to the Scotsman, if Smith gets the job, Scotland fans will just get on with supporting the team anyway. Will they?

These masons in blazers have presided over having to get the not fit for purpose Hampden pitch relayed for cup finals (remember the prank phone call asking one of the secretaries where they wanted the newly arrived turf put.) They watched over a cup semi final in which Celtic was blatantly cheated out of a cup final place when six of their officials claimed not to have seen what everyone else in the stadium saw. A cup final in which hundreds of Rangers fans attacked celebrating Hibs fans and received no punishment whatsoever. They gave Gordon Smith the top job when he didn't even warrant an interview given their own criteria. (When he eventually got moved on there were calls for a complete clean out of the SFA - which didn't happen.) They put Campbell Ogilvie in charge - 27 years on the Board at Ibrox - specifically in order to cover up the years of cheating at Ibrox. The list of their corruption is endless.

People call McCoist sleekit. He couldn't lace Walter's boots in that department.


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6 Feb 2018, 09:22 AM
Smith has always been good at spotting opportunities to make himself look good before leaving others to clean up his mess. He’s probably looked at the new set-up of the Euros, which makes it harder for average national teams to fail to qualify than actually qualify. Probably thinks he can take Scotland to Euro 2020, be lauded as the first manager to take us to a major tournament for over 20 years, and then retire and leave some fall guy like McCoist to inherit an ageing team with little or no chance of reaching the World Cup.
Good post.

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Tactically, The Cardigan would be a move in the wrong direction. There are some potential players in the Scotland setup, not to mention a core team in Celtic that know each other. Would he still keep that core team together? Smith's route one, 10 men behind the ball mentality would be a disaster. Not to mention this is the manager that boasted about how he increased Scotland's co-efficient by working out that NOT playing friendlies would work in his favour.
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6 Feb 2018, 09:22 AM
Smith has always been good at spotting opportunities to make himself look good before leaving others to clean up his mess. He’s probably looked at the new set-up of the Euros, which makes it harder for average national teams to fail to qualify than actually qualify. Probably thinks he can take Scotland to Euro 2020, be lauded as the first manager to take us to a major tournament for over 20 years, and then retire and leave some fall guy like McCoist to inherit an ageing team with little or no chance of reaching the World Cup.
I think you are completely right.
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I thought we’d heard the last of that sleekit old tosspot Smith but it seems as if the word has went out to his pals in the press that he’d be up for the job. It’d be a deeply depressing state of affairs if that dinosaur got the job, although it’d be entirely in keeping with Scottish football being permanently anchored in the 70’s.
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5 Feb 2018, 01:29 PM
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5 Feb 2018, 01:19 PM
Smith did a better job managing Scotland than anyone else has in the last 18 years or so.

McLeish just continued with what Smith had left him, were very unfortunate not to qualify for Euro 2008.
Both campaigns he managed in we didnt qualify.

He's in that 'nearly, but failed' level alongside McLeish, Strachan and even Vogts.

And thats what Strachan was sacked for. It would be madness to sack Strachan for failing to qualify over three campaigns then hire someone who has already failed.
At least Berti got us to a playoff
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:loel: Conte is well at it. The Chelsea players had today off but he has given them an extra 2 days.
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ronny_is_not_da_man
6 Feb 2018, 12:11 PM
:loel: Conte is well at it. The Chelsea players had today off but he has given them an extra 2 days.
It's almost as if he wants to get sacked.

:)

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This idea that is apparently growing in popularity that you can appoint a permanent national team manager before the chief executive who will effectively line manage the position, in the scenario where you know both positions are vacant, seems typical SFA thinking. It is absurd.

The idea that Walter Smith is a good, tactically astute, safe pair of hands and a "bridge" in two years time to a manager who can learn under his wing is also totally flawed. At Oldco, he was a "bridge" to Ally McCoist, having "groomed" him. How did that work out? How well does that reflect on his judgment?

Compared with Smith, there was surely a more convincing case to continue with Strachan. That is how flawed this process has now become.

Walter Smith has always been an opportunist. He does a good sideline in massaging his record at Everton through mitigating circumstances, and likes to point out that he ushered in Moyes. It's self preservation.

He no doubt looks at the fact that the next tournament is a 24 team Euros with two stabs at qualification, where there's a about a 45% chance of qualifying. Might be a bit different if he was facing a World Cup qualification campaign for Qatar where Scotland are a fourth seed. He no doubt thinks qualification looks a bit more possible based on those circumstances with a potential player pool that is seen as improving, and that the messiah bit is a good bookend for his record.

There are four friendlies in March and May/June. An interim manager needs to be appointed, as happened with Italy yesterday. Then of course they come under consideration following that spell, when the new CE is in post.

Give it to the current U21 coach Scot Gemmill, let him appoint an experienced coaching team to help him, and see how he gets on with it. If it's not for him, you've got a clean slate come June, which becomes your timeline for appointing a new a CE. At worst, you've given a developing coach experience at managing and coaching at full international level.

The available candidate list when Strachan left in October 2017 looks different to February 2018. It will inevitably look different again come June. To a certain extent, I think this is what Italy are banking on with Conte, expecting he'll be emptied soon by Chelsea.

Competent people would buy themselves time and not opt to put their new Chief Executive in a difficult position straight out the gate. A permanent appointment at this point, and of Walter Smith? It's the SFA being the SFA all over again.
Edited by Forza, 6 Feb 2018, 12:24 PM.
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Gothamcelt
6 Feb 2018, 09:18 AM
Over on RM they have upped their rage with the news that Walter may be the next Scotland manager.

They think because of "the way Scottish football treated them", Walter should tell them to eff off.

They think Walter should be managing them "in their time of need" and if Walter becomes Scotland manager he will be finished for a lot of them.

I don't want the old obnoxious bastard anywhere near the Scotland team but sometimes when I read how upset they are over this I sometimes want him to become the (short term) manager.

No doubt when Smith doe snot get the job they will sppin their mantra to say that Walter said NO!

I went over there (in disguise) and had a wee look. Quite funny really. The "Republican SFA" quote really tickled my chops!

They really are odd people.
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