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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,212 Views)
Forza
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BardseyCelt
5 Feb 2018, 01:58 PM
paranoid_and_proud
5 Feb 2018, 01:33 PM
BardseyCelt
5 Feb 2018, 01:23 PM

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Means nothing.

Who were Smith's wins against and who were Levein's wins against and the answer to that question provides a wee bit of context as to why the latter isn't remotely comparable to the former in terms of ability.
So far as I can tell from a quick look Levein's best result was probably a draw with Czech republic, and worst was getting beat by Wales. SMith's best result was a draw against italy and worst was getting beat off Belarus.

There's really not much between their results other than that that I can see. Both played around the same level of opposition.
The point is none of Smith, McLeish, Levein (or Burley) were any better than Strachan at doing what we need them to do, get Scotland to a major finals.

They all failed.

Smith may have failed by virtue of him heeding the call to the hun, but that's his problem, no one else's.

It is an embarrassment that he is under consideration for that reason. Another is the seven year gap in his coaching career, where semi-permanent retirement, self appointed hun saviour and Sevco chairman roles have all intervened.

It's a real shame for Kilmarnock, but Steve Clarke is by far the best Scottish/British candidate for the job, and he was regardless of Michael O'Neill's presumed interest. That's not a short term view either, I wanted Clarke as manager when we were replacing Lennon. He was the best person back in October when Strachan left. Unfortunately, in true SFA style, they saw him appointed by Kilmarnock two days later.
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Watching the SuperBowl, that I recorded last night. Gareth Southgate was over there, watching the game, speaking to coaches and general managers from some of the NFL teams, getting ideas about managing, coaching and leading teams.

Scotland, meantime, think of appointing Walter Smith.

We have all but given up on football in this country.
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Novelty_Bauble
5 Feb 2018, 02:08 PM
Think I'll start supporting the Republic again if that carrot gets the job.
Not sure if that would make you more or less likely to survive an International Week.
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pedrok
5 Feb 2018, 02:13 PM
Watching the SuperBowl, that I recorded last night. Gareth Southgate was over there, watching the game, speaking to coaches and general managers from some of the NFL teams, getting ideas about managing, coaching and leading teams.

Scotland, meantime, think of appointing Walter Smith.

We have all but given up on football in this country.
Gareth Southgate? :lol:

He is a rotten manager.

I take your point though. We should be more forward thinking.

Lenny is one of the outstanding candidates but he will never get it.
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Bodom Bhoy
5 Feb 2018, 02:16 PM
Novelty_Bauble
5 Feb 2018, 02:08 PM
Think I'll start supporting the Republic again if that carrot gets the job.
Not sure if that would make you more or less likely to survive an International Week.
:)
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allthewine
5 Feb 2018, 02:19 PM
pedrok
5 Feb 2018, 02:13 PM
Watching the SuperBowl, that I recorded last night. Gareth Southgate was over there, watching the game, speaking to coaches and general managers from some of the NFL teams, getting ideas about managing, coaching and leading teams.

Scotland, meantime, think of appointing Walter Smith.

We have all but given up on football in this country.
Gareth Southgate? :lol:

He is a rotten manager.

I take your point though. We should be more forward thinking.

Lenny is one of the outstanding candidates but he will never get it.
Stevie Clarke just beat us with a side featuring Kris "the refrigerator" Boyd too.
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So SFA selection board, what first attracted you to the 70 year old Freemason?

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Can safely say that whatever little enthusiasm I have left for the national team will dissipate the second Smith is appointed.

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pedrok
5 Feb 2018, 02:13 PM
Watching the SuperBowl, that I recorded last night. Gareth Southgate was over there, watching the game, speaking to coaches and general managers from some of the NFL teams, getting ideas about managing, coaching and leading teams.

Scotland, meantime, think of appointing Walter Smith.

We have all but given up on football in this country.
Southgate had one proper managerial job prior to England - and that resulted in relegation and the sack. Holland have just appointed Advocaat for the third time while Brazil and Argentina have gone through managers in recent years like Hearts in the Romanov era. Let’s not pretend other countries are much better at this sort of decision making. They just have better players.
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Smiths been retired for 8 years. The game has moved on considerably from when he last managed a team. Do Scotland have any carthorses, like Elbows, that Smith can build his brand of football around?
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This is in the headlines on radio 5 :cry: I thought it was just DR hacks waving their wink rags in public
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Mickeybhoy84
5 Feb 2018, 02:30 PM
Smiths been retired for 8 years. The game has moved on considerably from when he last managed a team. Do Scotland have any carthorses, like Elbows, that Smith can build his brand of football around?
Ryan Jack?
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Mickeybhoy84
5 Feb 2018, 02:30 PM
Smiths been retired for 8 years. The game has moved on considerably from when he last managed a team. Do Scotland have any carthorses, like Elbows, that Smith can build his brand of football around?
His remit will be to get as many hun donkeys into the team as possible to try and boost their value. The likes of Jack and McCrorie, who wouldn't get into our catering team never mind squad would all of a sudden become world beaters. There is a press led campaign going on to get as many huns or hun sympathisers as possible into the corridors.
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5 Feb 2018, 02:51 PM
Mickeybhoy84
5 Feb 2018, 02:30 PM
Smiths been retired for 8 years. The game has moved on considerably from when he last managed a team. Do Scotland have any carthorses, like Elbows, that Smith can build his brand of football around?
His remit will be to get as many hun donkeys into the team as possible to try and boost their value. The likes of Jack and McCrorie, who wouldn't get into our catering team never mind squad would all of a sudden become world beaters. There is a press led campaign going on to get as many huns or hun sympathisers as possible into the corridors.
If he can do it in time fir next summer that’d be perfect. Give our players a rest.
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BardseyCelt
5 Feb 2018, 01:58 PM
paranoid_and_proud
5 Feb 2018, 01:33 PM
BardseyCelt
5 Feb 2018, 01:23 PM

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Means nothing.

Who were Smith's wins against and who were Levein's wins against and the answer to that question provides a wee bit of context as to why the latter isn't remotely comparable to the former in terms of ability.
So far as I can tell from a quick look Levein's best result was probably a draw with Czech republic, and worst was getting beat by Wales. SMith's best result was a draw against italy and worst was getting beat off Belarus.

There's really not much between their results other than that that I can see. Both played around the same level of opposition.
Smith got a group with the 2 sides who contested the World Cup final 3 months earlier, he beat France at home & drew with Italy at home.

Levein shat it from the worse Czech team in a generation not playing a striker.

I'm not advocating Smith to get the job, but anyone who doesn't believe he improved Scotland & did better than anyone else has in that job for nearly 20 years are at it.

I wouldn't go for him his time has been & gone but people are trying to rewrite history here.
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Smith :lol:
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Butters
5 Feb 2018, 02:55 PM
BardseyCelt
5 Feb 2018, 01:58 PM
paranoid_and_proud
5 Feb 2018, 01:33 PM

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So far as I can tell from a quick look Levein's best result was probably a draw with Czech republic, and worst was getting beat by Wales. SMith's best result was a draw against italy and worst was getting beat off Belarus.

There's really not much between their results other than that that I can see. Both played around the same level of opposition.
Smith got a group with the 2 sides who contested the World Cup final 3 months earlier, he beat France at home & drew with Italy at home.

Levein shat it from the worse Czech team in a generation not playing a striker.

I'm not advocating Smith to get the job, but anyone who doesn't believe he improved Scotland & did better than anyone else has in that job for nearly 20 years are at it.

I wouldn't go for him his time has been & gone but people are trying to rewrite history here.
We'll never know if he improved Scotland because he walked out in the middle of a qualification campaign. We didn't qualify, so the effect on the Scottish game was exactly the same as before and after his reign.

His tenure lasted a mere 16 games before deciding that rescuing the huns, by spending yet more money they didn't have, was more important to him. Just when a foothold had been achieved. It kind of tells you where his priorities lie, and what he felt about the Scotland job.

He took over when Scotland were 86th in the world rankings. The epitome of low hanging fruit. He has a poorer win percentage with Scotland than Strachan, despite being manager for well under half the amount of games.

Now, seven years after he last coached in football, and having walked out on his country once before, the SFA are to go back cap in hand to him? Outrageous.
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Walter Smith? Really!!! Is that the best the SFA can come up with.
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puroresu_boy
5 Feb 2018, 03:13 PM
Walter Smith? Really!!! Is that the best the SFA can come up with.
I have a theory that he's been in cryogenic suspension since we stopped the ten and they sporadically thaw him out whenever the hun or any other appropriate 'institution' need a wee bit of stimulation.
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puroresu_boy
5 Feb 2018, 03:13 PM
Walter Smith? Really!!! Is that the best the SFA can come up with.
I'm sure that Petrie and McRae will have other candidates on their shortlist, such as McLeish, McCoist, McCall and Big Jig

Dream Team

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