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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,221 Views)
costa bhoy
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Broadsword
23 Jan 2018, 08:10 AM
OptimusCheese
23 Jan 2018, 05:35 AM
Bet you Strachan voted 'No'.
He didn’t.

He wasn’t eligible to vote.
Too wee?
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Too much is made of Strachan's too wee comments. He's a serial troll and was in the death throes of his management of the national team. If it didn't come from the mouth of a 5 foot ginger nyaff who performed at world cups with other nyaffs you could maybe take umbrage to it. As usual, he was at it. It's tedious but by that point I'd doubt if he GAF. What he meant is we are too shampooe.
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Fly Pelican
23 Jan 2018, 08:56 AM
Too much is made of Strachan's too wee comments. He's a serial troll and was in the death throes of his management of the national team. If it didn't come from the mouth of a 5 foot ginger nyaff who performed at world cups with other nyaffs you could maybe take umbrage to it. As usual, he was at it. It's tedious but by that point I'd doubt if he GAF. What he meant is we are too shampooe.
The “Too wee” stuff started at least a year before Strachan got punted. His claims that he wouldn’t pick Griffiths because he was too short to defend corners were the start of it IIRC. Now I don’t think that was his real reason for not picking Griff. Picking the only natural goal scorer at your disposal is an obvious thing to do and Strachan doesn’t do obvious. He opts to do his own, random thing so he can take the plaudits if it works. When it doesn’t work he finds some idiotic excuse and runs with it.
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That didn't take long :lol:

Alex McLeish says he is ready to answer Scotland's call and return for a second spell as national manager. (Herald,ðh subscription required)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42785474
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When you read the Tom English article, it seems a fairly stark and obvious choice for O'Neill to have made. A six year contract at £800,000 p.a. with the IFA, a total of £4.8m worth of remuneration over that period. Or, a four year contract with the SFA at £600,000, a total of £2.4m. Who is readily giving up 50% of guaranteed salary to come and coach in an over-expectant, serially whingeing, hard-to-please national team environment like Scotland, where the promising young players that are coming through are still not as good as most seem to believe they are, in international terms?

We will obviously never know what break clauses and bonuses are in there on either side. On the face of it the IFA contract package does seem to leave them pretty extended financially regardless of their income from the Euros qualification, as they are a pretty small association by any standard.

If O'Neill continues to do well at Norn Iron, he'll know that a decent Championship or Premier League club won't think twice about meeting whatever new release clause the IFA have placed in the contract. He can also offset any decline in fortunes on an ageing, deteriorating squad. There are also parallels - albeit not necessarily financially - with McInnes and Sevco. Staying at Aberdeen was the least risky option. Similarly with O'Neill.

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Haud oan, they offered £200k per year less, on a much shorter contract? :ffs: :lol:

Honestly, a complete shambles of an outfit. An absolsute gang of effing imbeciles.
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SwavBhoy
23 Jan 2018, 11:52 AM
Haud oan, they offered £200k per year less, on a much shorter contract? :ffs: :lol:

Honestly, a complete shambles of an outfit. An absolsute gang of effing imbeciles.
The IFA contract offer basically blew the SFA out of the water.

It appears that the SFA's £600,000 a year four year offer (plus meeting O'Neill's £500,000 compensation fee) was the absolute limit of what the SFA Board would allow.
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Forza
23 Jan 2018, 11:56 AM
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23 Jan 2018, 11:52 AM
Haud oan, they offered £200k per year less, on a much shorter contract? :ffs: :lol:

Honestly, a complete shambles of an outfit. An absolsute gang of effing imbeciles.
The IFA contract offer basically blew the SFA out of the water.

It appears that the SFA's £600,000 a year four year offer (plus meeting O'Neill's £500,000 compensation fee) was the absolute limit of what the SFA Board would allow.
Farcical.

He would of been crazy to take the Scotland offer.
Edited by puroresu_boy, 23 Jan 2018, 12:33 PM.
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Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that McLeish was the plan all along.
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23 Jan 2018, 12:29 PM
Forza
23 Jan 2018, 11:56 AM
SwavBhoy
23 Jan 2018, 11:52 AM
Haud oan, they offered £200k per year less, on a much shorter contract? :ffs: :lol:

Honestly, a complete shambles of an outfit. An absolsute gang of effing imbeciles.
The IFA contract offer basically blew the SFA out of the water.

It appears that the SFA's £600,000 a year four year offer (plus meeting O'Neill's £500,000 compensation fee) was the absolute limit of what the SFA Board would allow.
Farcical.

He would of been crazy to take the Scotland offer.
The thing is, having made it blatantly obvious O'Neill was their first choice, he/they could not then back out, even when the IFA made their offer public before Christmas.

When there was a vacancy established on 12 October, people like Moyes and Lambert were not in jobs. Not saying either would have taken it, but their dithering has narrowed the field of Scottish candidates. Most recognise there is no rush as there are no competitive games until September, but it's taken 114 days to get to this point.

No doubt Regan is busier counting all the money saved not paying contracted salary for a manager and his team instead.
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Heard Markus Weinzierl (me neither) is in the frame.
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Ah well, Big Feck, front and centre!

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23 Jan 2018, 12:35 AM
there are no obvious candidates. The SFA thought O'Neill would jump at the chance, but before he even spoke to them he checked out the squad he would be in charge of and decided that NI were a better proposition - says it all really.
We have a few decent players, but no great players (KT's time still to come), why would a good manager risk their reputation on taking over a team that is no nearer qualifying for a major tournament than it has been in the last 20 years.
Steve Clarke is the best option I can think of, but I wonder if he thinks he has a chance of landing the Celtic job in 3 years time - if so, why would he run the risk?
Strachan insists on robotic football - the football in his last season at CP was hard to watch - but why sack him when there was nobody else lined up for the job? Strachan is organised, if nothing else, and would have done until the SFA found someone better. Much as I dislike Strachan's football, I can't think of anyone else who is better than him who would take the job. Simple remit, get Scotland into the next major finals with a team made up of journeymen - can't see too many high profile managers jumping at that opportunity (oh and NI are paying £800, 000 per year, Scotland are offering £500,000 with bonuses if you qualify).
I don't think he looked at both squads and decided that NI was the better option. That really doesn't say it all.

you came round to the real reason in your last sentence.

Seems like ONeill would have chosen Scotland if they matched the salary on offer from IFA.
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23 Jan 2018, 01:07 PM
Heard Markus Weinzierl (me neither) is in the frame.
The dude that kind of made Augsburg a bit of a force in the Bundesliga in recent years. It was Jos Luhukay that got them promoted to the top flight for the first time in their history and kept them there in their first season.

Thereafter though Weinzierl did lead Augsburg to 8th, 5th and 12th in 2013/14, 2014/15 2015/16 respectively. Then got a move to Schalke, lasting only a season.
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I think Anna Signeul would have been a decent shout before she took the Finland job.
Good footballing brain, and can work within the national framework well.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42791919

Talk of 'tough' questions coming Regan's way by 'unhappy' SFA Board members. Aye right.

He'll get to plough on once he hastily puts in place Plan B or C.

Gordon Smith getting quoted is always fun though. The effwit responsible for appointing George Burley. :ffs:
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andy d
23 Jan 2018, 05:07 PM
I think Anna Signeul would have been a decent shout before she took the Finland job.
Good footballing brain, and can work within the national framework well.
A load of Scottish players can't handle these foreign types with their crazy ideas. I don't think we're in a place yet where the players are going to take to a foreign woman in charge.
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Lenny looking a little po faced over this whole Levein spat.
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The fact they offered him a smaller deal on less money, after chasing him for 2 months or whatever makes it clear he was right to stay where he is. Even if he does nothing else with Northern Ireland, he's already achieved more than anyone could have reasonably expected him to do, so he'll rake in money whilst waiting for his chance to get a real good club job. Now that Lambert has also taken a Prem job, it's either going to be Mcleish or some utterly unknown guy from somewhere. The wrangling over compensation shows that they either can't or won't commit too much money to the project.
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Alex Ferguson is 76
I think maybe that ship has sailed, sadly
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