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| Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really. | |
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| Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,239 Views) | |
| macfleeto | 7 Jan 2018, 08:46 PM Post #6341 |
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| Kingslim | 7 Jan 2018, 11:49 PM Post #6342 |
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69 and counting
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| DocPenvro | 7 Jan 2018, 11:53 PM Post #6343 |
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Hughes for Wales? |
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| LeedsTim | 7 Jan 2018, 11:57 PM Post #6344 |
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Italy, Spain, Argentina, basically anyone but England.
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Yeah, but he had access to Brazilians who wouldn't have qualified for any other clubs outwith Portugal and they proved rather important in their success. I despise Mourinho and don't really care what he has or hasn't done in the game. He is a horrible obnoxious carrot and I wish him nothing but trouble. |
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| dannyclyro | 8 Jan 2018, 12:07 AM Post #6345 |
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Like you can smell the psychosphere
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How many of the teams his Porto side beat could have signed the same players? There were very few who couldn't. He's a horrible carrot, and like you I don't like him one bit but to say his achievements are down to being able to sign the odd Brazilian is way off the mark. |
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| VBI | 8 Jan 2018, 07:44 AM Post #6346 |
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Porto weren't exactly poor, btw. Most of the CL winning squad was already there when he took over. |
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| corsica1968 | 8 Jan 2018, 10:26 AM Post #6347 |
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I recall reading an article in The Guardian many moons ago (quite possibly about the time of Seville) in which it explained how Porto worked. They kept things absolutely constant irrespective of who the coach was and had everybody at all levels and ages playing the exact same way. Even the financial model was built to support this with as much money being spent on youth development and scouting as anywhere else. The head coach was merely the top of a pyramid and followed/delivered against that model. Hence their success through the years (although I have a sneaky suspicion a new chairman/owner came in at some point and ripped that all up which is why they haven't been as successful of late). I think it was trying to say that Mourinho was simply a shepherd and not the revolutionary leader/manager/coach that he likes to make himself out to be. |
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| Paul Allen | 8 Jan 2018, 12:46 PM Post #6348 |
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I'm also not fond of him. His antics used to provide a pantomime villain aspect which was mildly entertaining and made it enjoyable when he lost but it's just boring listening to him whinge nowadays. He also has looked a little unable to cope with the most recent developments of playing styles over the last few years. Football at the top level is more dynamic, high pressing etc. than ever before but he still clings to the same tactics as at Chelsea. Heavily reliant on brute force - with the cynical cheating always present - to break down teams rather than good attacking play/combinations and always parks the bus in any big games, particularly away from home. His record in these games has actually been very poor recently. Particularly galling to see his Real Madrid team containing the talent of Ronaldo et al park the bus in the Champions League. Anyway, on the Porto achievement, this really can't be downplayed. No matter how much we dislike the guy, it was an incredible feat. This article is an interesting insight into it - http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/03/08/teams-of-the-decade-3-porto-2002-04/ He just hasn't kept up with the way the game has evolved IMO. He actually looks a bit broken in some recent interviews. |
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| Govan Super Casino | 8 Jan 2018, 01:12 PM Post #6349 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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His teams are very cynical in the big games, they do what they need to do to win but I've always thought people over play how defensive Mourinho's teams are. Madrid finished with a goal difference of 89 in one of his seasons. United were a mess when he took over so, again, he did what he needed to do to get results with that team last season. I think he's an excellent manager but I can't stand him, he's a sleekit carrot. |
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| Butters | 8 Jan 2018, 02:54 PM Post #6350 |
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Porto hadn't won the league in 4 years with those players, Mourinho turns up & takes them to levels they've never before been able to reach and then they win back to back league titles alongside the Uefa Cup & Champions League. They were good players but only Deco & Carvalho were able to sustain playing at the level Mourinho took them to. Be interesting to compare the Porto 1999 - 2003 spending with us & Oldco. |
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| BardseyCelt | 8 Jan 2018, 03:09 PM Post #6351 |
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Deco, Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira, Bosingwa Maniche had a decent career too. |
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| Ned Rise | 8 Jan 2018, 03:24 PM Post #6352 |
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These boots were made for hunbustin'
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Tom Daley also came through their ranks. |
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| san meegs | 8 Jan 2018, 06:37 PM Post #6353 |
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Karanka to Forest. |
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| IainG | 8 Jan 2018, 07:57 PM Post #6354 |
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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Another of the huns' wish list!
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| Bawman | 8 Jan 2018, 08:05 PM Post #6355 |
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Class is permanent.
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Deluded. |
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| O'Maolchathail | 9 Jan 2018, 02:09 PM Post #6356 |
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Martin O’Neill is the bookies favourite for the manager’s job at Stoke, and we understand the club do consider him as one of the strongest candidates, but he is still contracted to the Football Association of Ireland He has verbally agreed an extension until beyond the 2020 European Championships From Sky sports |
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| McStay | 9 Jan 2018, 02:23 PM Post #6357 |
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Espanyolification
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That Stoke fan that wanted BR for the attacking, entertaining football will be gutted
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| O'Maolchathail | 9 Jan 2018, 05:28 PM Post #6358 |
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| popeyed | 11 Jan 2018, 01:59 PM Post #6359 |
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Climbing walls while sittin' in a chair.
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ZZ to get the bullet at the end of the season apparently. Talk of Jogi Low taking over. |
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| popeyed | 11 Jan 2018, 02:00 PM Post #6360 |
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Climbing walls while sittin' in a chair.
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Sanchez Florez getting it according to reports. Edited by popeyed, 11 Jan 2018, 02:00 PM.
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