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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,251 Views)
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Dannybhoy95
29 Nov 2017, 06:59 PM
IainG
29 Nov 2017, 06:01 PM
I wonder why good English managers are so rare?
Same reason as any other country in the British isles. We're feart of change.

Look at the abuse both Rodgers and Guardiola have had in England for daring to play out through the goalkeeper. Compare their treatment during difficult times to that of Mourinho or any other foreign or domestic manager that subscribes to the 'no nonsense' 'dig' and running through walls mentality of English football.

We love looking back on the 'Glory days' of British Football, but fail to realise that the one huge advantage we always had was our ability to outwork the foreign folks has now gone. The Continentals have embraced our mental 'get intae thum' style of pressing, adapted it to a more sophisticated model and further improved their technique. All while we're pissing in the wind complaining about lack of progress, then cutting down and mocking any manager that tries something different.
For a man who’s won every major trophy in the game, I’d say Mourinho takes an astonishing amount of stick. Even this season, the English media have been queuing up to portray him as some out of touch dinosaur. If anything, managers like Roberto Martinez and Pochettino who ‘play the right way’ seem to escape the more severe criticism because they’re deemed to have a great ‘footballing philosophy’.
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Dannybhoy95
29 Nov 2017, 06:59 PM
IainG
29 Nov 2017, 06:01 PM
I wonder why good English managers are so rare?
Same reason as any other country in the British isles. We're feart of change.

Look at the abuse both Rodgers and Guardiola have had in England for daring to play out through the goalkeeper. Compare their treatment during difficult times to that of Mourinho or any other foreign or domestic manager that subscribes to the 'no nonsense' 'dig' and running through walls mentality of English football.

We love looking back on the 'Glory days' of British Football, but fail to realise that the one huge advantage we always had was our ability to outwork the foreign folks has now gone. The Continentals have embraced our mental 'get intae thum' style of pressing, adapted it to a more sophisticated model and further improved their technique. All while we're pissing in the wind complaining about lack of progress, then cutting down and mocking any manager that tries something different.
One of the reasons why, despite our current inability to defend in European games, we must go all in with Brendan Rodgers. He must be backed and allowed to develop for the long term.


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29 Nov 2017, 05:35 PM
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29 Nov 2017, 05:29 PM
It makes sense. They need to avoid relegation and they've appointed a manager who has made a career of that. I don't know why it took them 6 weeks though. Maybe they tried to appoint someone else and they turned them down?
I don't think there is any doubt that's what they tried to do. Silva being one, there will no doubt be others too that they tried and could not get.

That Everton should be hiring a manager to avoid relegation is ridiculous. But bizarrely that's exactly where they find themselves.

I wonder how Allardyce will take to players like Sigurdsson and Klaasen. Could be fun to watch them being shoehorned into all types of pragmatic Big Sam formations. And by fun I mean absolutely hilarious.
A version of this has happened before when he had Jay-Jay Okocha at Bolton and used him to take long throw ins.
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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29 Nov 2017, 07:31 PM
Dannybhoy95
29 Nov 2017, 06:59 PM
IainG
29 Nov 2017, 06:01 PM
I wonder why good English managers are so rare?
Same reason as any other country in the British isles. We're feart of change.

Look at the abuse both Rodgers and Guardiola have had in England for daring to play out through the goalkeeper. Compare their treatment during difficult times to that of Mourinho or any other foreign or domestic manager that subscribes to the 'no nonsense' 'dig' and running through walls mentality of English football.

We love looking back on the 'Glory days' of British Football, but fail to realise that the one huge advantage we always had was our ability to outwork the foreign folks has now gone. The Continentals have embraced our mental 'get intae thum' style of pressing, adapted it to a more sophisticated model and further improved their technique. All while we're pissing in the wind complaining about lack of progress, then cutting down and mocking any manager that tries something different.
For a man who’s won every major trophy in the game, I’d say Mourinho takes an astonishing amount of stick. Even this season, the English media have been queuing up to portray him as some out of touch dinosaur. If anything, managers like Roberto Martinez and Pochettino who ‘play the right way’ seem to escape the more severe criticism because they’re deemed to have a great ‘footballing philosophy’.
Mourinho's football philosophy is winning games by whatever means necessary. I remember him saying once his preparation for his next game starts immediately after his last game. He is one of the best managers in the World and has been for many years.
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modest mouse
29 Nov 2017, 07:50 PM
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29 Nov 2017, 05:35 PM
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29 Nov 2017, 05:29 PM
It makes sense. They need to avoid relegation and they've appointed a manager who has made a career of that. I don't know why it took them 6 weeks though. Maybe they tried to appoint someone else and they turned them down?
I don't think there is any doubt that's what they tried to do. Silva being one, there will no doubt be others too that they tried and could not get.

That Everton should be hiring a manager to avoid relegation is ridiculous. But bizarrely that's exactly where they find themselves.

I wonder how Allardyce will take to players like Sigurdsson and Klaasen. Could be fun to watch them being shoehorned into all types of pragmatic Big Sam formations. And by fun I mean absolutely hilarious.
A version of this has happened before when he had Jay-Jay Okocha at Bolton and used him to take long throw ins.
FFS I think Okocha did a bit more than that :lol:

I suppose Youri Djorkaeff was signed for his robust tackling and man marking skills?

Allardyce isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but he’s actually fairly progressive in a lot of his preparation and off pitch techniques. The football is functional but effective - as Moyes’ Everton was at times as well.

Can’t believe I’m sticking up for Sam Allardyce :ffs: :lol:
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29 Nov 2017, 11:38 PM
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29 Nov 2017, 07:50 PM
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29 Nov 2017, 05:35 PM

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A version of this has happened before when he had Jay-Jay Okocha at Bolton and used him to take long throw ins.
FFS I think Okocha did a bit more than that :lol:

I suppose Youri Djorkaeff was signed for his robust tackling and man marking skills?

Allardyce isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but he’s actually fairly progressive in a lot of his preparation and off pitch techniques. The football is functional but effective - as Moyes’ Everton was at times as well.

Can’t believe I’m sticking up for Sam Allardyce :ffs: :lol:
Apparently Big Sam was one of the first in the league to really embrace the data and analytics side of things as a manager. Probably did his analysis over a microwaved Rustlers burger and a pint of wine right enough but there you are.
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30 Nov 2017, 12:41 AM
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29 Nov 2017, 11:38 PM
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29 Nov 2017, 07:50 PM

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FFS I think Okocha did a bit more than that :lol:

I suppose Youri Djorkaeff was signed for his robust tackling and man marking skills?

Allardyce isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but he’s actually fairly progressive in a lot of his preparation and off pitch techniques. The football is functional but effective - as Moyes’ Everton was at times as well.

Can’t believe I’m sticking up for Sam Allardyce :ffs: :lol:
Apparently Big Sam was one of the first in the league to really embrace the data and analytics side of things as a manager. Probably did his analysis over a microwaved Rustlers burger and a pint of wine right enough but there you are.
He had a reputation for producing miracles on a shoestring. And while he did a great job and probably didn't (relatively speaking) spend on a lot on fees by bringing in other clubs cast offs in Okotcha, Djorkaeff, Hierro, Ngotty, Campo, Diouf, Ben Haim, Davies - the amount they were spending on wages and agents fees was mind boggling. The debt they ended up with under Allardyce was beyond belief. The wages they were paying to ordinary players was ridiculous - and in one case it turned out they agreed topay a 300k fee to an agency on a 1m transfer.
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I'll never stop laughing at the whole "pint of wine" thing. Big Sam is a genius.
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Derek McInnes - seems to be a bit of a SMSM darling

- pumped 3-0 by Murt's Sevco last night
- pumped 3-0 by Pedro's Sevco :o at Pittodrie last season
- pumped 5-1 by St Johnstone at Pittodrie last season
- poor European record
- sacked by Bristol City

Wouldn't be worried if he does pitch up at Ibrokes
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Big Sam is supposedly earning £115k a week. More than ZZ,Simeone and Emery.

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Would not be surprised @ Moyes being hunted in Jan/Feb if 'ammers don't improve rapidly.
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If I was a bottom feeder EPL club I'd be realising the odds have just shortened. Sam will keep them up if nothing else.
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I really don't see how the West Ham board can justify hiring Moyes.

Why hire someone who has a record of failure. Every manager pretty much has a bad role at one time or another but Moyes since leaving Everton has been on nothing but a downward spiral yet West Ham felt he was the best appointment. That's crazy!!
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IainG
29 Nov 2017, 06:01 PM
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29 Nov 2017, 02:38 PM
The merry go round of mediocrity that gives crap English managers high waged jobs is the very reason not one Englishman has ever managed a Premiership winning side.
Really? 'kinell!
I wonder why good English managers are so rare? One or two younger ones show promise, Howe and Dyche for example but will any of the bigger clubs give them a chance? When you think back to the days of Revie,Clough and Robson for instance you wonder what's happened.
You can add Scottish managers in to that as well, other than Ferguson there hasn't been a great Scottish manager in a couple of decades.

George Graham & Dalglish (4 league wins I think as a manager in England) are the last lot who did anything special.
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It's ironic that in the era of short-termism and job insecurity in management, guys like Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew, Hodgson and Pulis effectively have jobs for life. They just have to hang around until twitchy owners pull the trigger on their latest 'project' before they get another go under the pretence of 'steadying the ship' (ignoring the times they've actually failed to do so). The clubs change but the jobs remain the same.
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It's ironic that in the era of short-termism and job insecurity in management, guys like Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew, Hodgson and Pulis effectively have jobs for life. They just have to hang around until twitchy owners pull the trigger on their latest 'project' before they get another go under the pretence of 'steadying the ship' (ignoring the times they've actually failed to do so). The clubs change but the jobs remain the same.
Not sure about that. I think if West Ham go down it will be a long time before Moyes gets decent job.
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30 Nov 2017, 12:55 PM
It's ironic that in the era of short-termism and job insecurity in management, guys like Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew, Hodgson and Pulis effectively have jobs for life. They just have to hang around until twitchy owners pull the trigger on their latest 'project' before they get another go under the pretence of 'steadying the ship' (ignoring the times they've actually failed to do so). The clubs change but the jobs remain the same.
Not sure about that. I think if West Ham go down it will be a long time before Moyes gets decent job.
At the rate he's going it's only a matter of time until he's on Super Scoreboard sandwiched between Derek Johnstone and Hugh Keevins
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29 Nov 2017, 07:50 PM
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29 Nov 2017, 05:35 PM
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29 Nov 2017, 05:29 PM
It makes sense. They need to avoid relegation and they've appointed a manager who has made a career of that. I don't know why it took them 6 weeks though. Maybe they tried to appoint someone else and they turned them down?
I don't think there is any doubt that's what they tried to do. Silva being one, there will no doubt be others too that they tried and could not get.

That Everton should be hiring a manager to avoid relegation is ridiculous. But bizarrely that's exactly where they find themselves.

I wonder how Allardyce will take to players like Sigurdsson and Klaasen. Could be fun to watch them being shoehorned into all types of pragmatic Big Sam formations. And by fun I mean absolutely hilarious.
A version of this has happened before when he had Jay-Jay Okocha at Bolton and used him to take long throw ins.
He took a half decent free kick too. The one and only thing I remember him for is this cracker with the outside of his boot :wub:

The 2nd of these 2 freekicks if it doesn't automatically skip forward to 1 min in...


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Former Chelsea and Tottenham boss Andre Villas-Boas has confirmed his intention to compete in the Dakar Rally next year after leaving his position as manager of Chinese side Shanghai SIPG.

The 40-year-old, whose uncle took part in 1982 Dakar Rally, will drive a Toyota Hilux in the car category.

Villas-Boas had initially wanted to contest the race on a motorbike but was advised against it because of the additional preparation time needed.

The event starts in Peru on 6 January.

"I spoke with my friend Alex Doringer, the manager of the KTM team, who told me that I would still need a full year's preparation to get there and that it was better to consider doing it with a car," said Villas-Boas, who owns several motorbikes.

"So I got in touch with Team Overdrive and here I am."

After starting in Peru, the 6,000-mile Dakar Rally will travel through Bolivia before finishing in Argentina on 20 January
Villas-Boas is a motorsport enthusiast who has attended a number of Formula 1 races.

He spoke in 2011, when he was manager of Chelsea, about his passion for motorbikes and that he would often escape the rigours of Premier League football by going off-road riding in the Portuguese mountains.

"The passion for two wheels is something that grew in me," Villas-Boas said at the time.

"My first bike was a Yamaha XT 350cc, a heavy engine at the start. Then I've had Hondas and KTMs, as well as the trials bikes I've got.

"I have a bit of a crazy head, so I like enduro-bikes - I go into the mountains with the big rocks and almost kill myself!"



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42173126

Fair play to him.
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Aitor Karanka to Sevco is the media's latest total guess.

Would actually make sense given the current make up of their squad ie loads of Latin duds.
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