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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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17 Nov 2017, 03:28 PM
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17 Nov 2017, 07:45 AM
Michael O’Neil is a bit of a feniany name for sevco fans to take to.
I don't think he'll be forced to deny he was offered the gig at Ibrox because he was a Catholic, anyway.

I know things have changed over there beyond anything Aldous Huxley could have predicted, but I doubt I'll ever hear the words "I'm not here to say Mass" coming out the mouth of their new Irish boss.



Ricki Fulton, "Glasgow Rangers' Groundbreaking Signing"
Can't click on it but know the clip you're referring to.

Brendan O'Malley :lol:
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17 Nov 2017, 07:45 AM
Michael O’Neil is a bit of a feniany name for sevco fans to take to.
I don't think he'll be forced to deny he was offered the gig at Ibrox because he was a Catholic, anyway.

I know things have changed over there beyond anything Aldous Huxley could have predicted, but I doubt I'll ever hear the words "I'm not here to say Mass" coming out the mouth of their new Irish boss.



Ricki Fulton, "Glasgow Rangers' Groundbreaking Signing"
I stand corrected. Huxley's lost masterpiece :lol:
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I’m not convinced O’Neil is a great manager tbh. I think the stars have aligned for him slightly and he’s hot property just now.
I agree.

In his two qualifying campaigns he's had piss easy groups. The Euro's had Greece, Faroe Islands, Finland, Hungary and Romania. And the WC group was San Marino, Azerbaijan, Czech Rep, Norway and Germany.

Meanwhile Scotland have had total carrots of groups. Germany, Poland, ROI and ourselves for 3 places. Then we got scudded with England, Slovenia and Slovakia battling it out for 2 places.

On the face of it, sure, NI qualifying is an achievement. But you scratch the surface and look what he's working with. A 'back 6' of McGovern, McAuley, Evans, Brunt, Davies and Hughes. Hughes aside, that's easily a mid-table Premier League defence.

Their Euro group was relatively easy, but nobody was tipping NI to qualify beforehand. They made that look easy and ended up winning the group, then got through to the last 16 by beating Ukraine (and losing the other two narrowly). Scotland haven't won a qualifying group since Euro 1992 and have never progressed out of a tournament group.

Their WC group was pretty much the same as ours.

Germany = England
Czechia = Slovakia
Norway = Slovenia

The strength of their defence is a more relevant point, but they've had those players for a long time and didn't do much before 2016 qualifying. Their prior results were so poor that they were seeded 5th (out of 6) for that draw.
Edited by JamesM, 17 Nov 2017, 04:39 PM.
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I’m not convinced O’Neil is a great manager tbh. I think the stars have aligned for him slightly and he’s hot property just now.
I agree.

In his two qualifying campaigns he's had piss easy groups. The Euro's had Greece, Faroe Islands, Finland, Hungary and Romania. And the WC group was San Marino, Azerbaijan, Czech Rep, Norway and Germany.

Meanwhile Scotland have had total carrots of groups. Germany, Poland, ROI and ourselves for 3 places. Then we got scudded with England, Slovenia and Slovakia battling it out for 2 places.

On the face of it, sure, NI qualifying is an achievement. But you scratch the surface and look what he's working with. A 'back 6' of McGovern, McAuley, Evans, Brunt, Davies and Hughes. Hughes aside, that's easily a mid-table Premier League defence.

Scotland effed up world cup qualifying. O'Neill would have had Scotland getting to play offs from that group.
Go add up the rankings of the groups each country had and you might find they are not too dissimilar. O'Neill is the best Scotland are likely to attract.
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17 Nov 2017, 08:48 AM
I’m not convinced O’Neil is a great manager tbh. I think the stars have aligned for him slightly and he’s hot property just now.
I agree.

In his two qualifying campaigns he's had piss easy groups. The Euro's had Greece, Faroe Islands, Finland, Hungary and Romania. And the WC group was San Marino, Azerbaijan, Czech Rep, Norway and Germany.

Meanwhile Scotland have had total carrots of groups. Germany, Poland, ROI and ourselves for 3 places. Then we got scudded with England, Slovenia and Slovakia battling it out for 2 places.

On the face of it, sure, NI qualifying is an achievement. But you scratch the surface and look what he's working with. A 'back 6' of McGovern, McAuley, Evans, Brunt, Davies and Hughes. Hughes aside, that's easily a mid-table Premier League defence.

Scotland effed up world cup qualifying. O'Neill would have had Scotland getting to play offs from that group.
Go add up the rankings of the groups each country had and you might find they are not too dissimilar. O'Neill is the best Scotland are likely to attract.
And his nose is getting more and more like Fergies every day.
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17 Nov 2017, 04:38 PM
Their WC group was pretty much the same as ours.

Germany = England
Czechia = Slovakia
Norway = Slovenia

The strength of their defence is a more relevant point, but they've had those players for a long time and didn't do much before 2016 qualifying. Their prior results were so poor that they were seeded 5th (out of 6) for that draw.
A very good comparison :thumbsup:

Being realistic we can’t attract a proven top drawer manager and O’Neill is way ahead of roon the block Eck, Lambert etc.
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17 Nov 2017, 04:38 PM
Germany = England
Czechia = Slovakia
Norway = Slovenia
Those '=' are a total joke.

Czech Republic don't have folk kicking about their squad on the level of Skrtel, Mak, Stoch or Hamšík. Effing Thomas Rosicky is still dicking about their squad. I'll grant you Petr Cech. He's good, but not on the level he once was.

The Norway one is worse. Slovenia have arguably the best goalkeeper in the world not named Neuer. They've got a quality back-up in Handanovic and folk like Kampl, Jokic and Kurtic dotted about their squad.

Just to be clear, I think O'Neill is the best choice out of all the candidates thus far, but I do think some folk have gone OTT in their praise.
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17 Nov 2017, 05:01 PM
JamesM
17 Nov 2017, 04:38 PM
Germany = England
Czechia = Slovakia
Norway = Slovenia
Those '=' are a total joke.

Czech Republic don't have folk kicking about their squad on the level of Skrtel, Mak, Stoch or Hamšík. Effing Thomas Rosicky is still dicking about their squad. I'll grant you Petr Cech. He's good, but not on the level he once was.

The Norway one is worse. Slovenia have arguably the best goalkeeper in the world not named Neuer. They've got a quality back-up in Handanovic and folk like Kampl, Jokic and Kurtic dotted about their squad.

Just to be clear, I think O'Neill is the best choice out of all the candidates thus far, but I do think some folk have gone OTT in their praise.
And that Germany side would batter England.
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17 Nov 2017, 08:48 AM
I’m not convinced O’Neil is a great manager tbh. I think the stars have aligned for him slightly and he’s hot property just now.
I agree.

In his two qualifying campaigns he's had piss easy groups. The Euro's had Greece, Faroe Islands, Finland, Hungary and Romania. And the WC group was San Marino, Azerbaijan, Czech Rep, Norway and Germany.

Meanwhile Scotland have had total carrots of groups. Germany, Poland, ROI and ourselves for 3 places. Then we got scudded with England, Slovenia and Slovakia battling it out for 2 places.

On the face of it, sure, NI qualifying is an achievement. But you scratch the surface and look what he's working with. A 'back 6' of McGovern, McAuley, Evans, Brunt, Davies and Hughes. Hughes aside, that's easily a mid-table Premier League defence.

Scotland effed up world cup qualifying. O'Neill would have had Scotland getting to play offs from that group.
Go add up the rankings of the groups each country had and you might find they are not too dissimilar. O'Neill is the best Scotland are likely to attract.
I thought it was a good draw for Scotland too, I fancied them to finish second and if Griffiths had played from the start they probably would have.

No real interesting names in the hat for the job so I think O'Neill is worth a go, NI were 129th when he took over. I agree with what previous posters have said about alot going right for him, he's actually lost more than games than he's won yet qualified for a tournament and got to the play offs for another.

If not O'Neill then who?
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Scotland effed up world cup qualifying. O'Neill would have had Scotland getting to play offs from that group.
Go add up the rankings of the groups each country had and you might find they are not too dissimilar. O'Neill is the best Scotland are likely to attract.
And his nose is getting more and more like Fergies every day.
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We should make an offer to the Icelandic coach. A big offer.
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Portland Timbers sack Caleb Porter. It's a bit of a shocker given that he won them the championship 2 years ago and had them deep in the play offs this year. The Timbers owners is a bit of a nut job though so it doesn't surprise me that they fell out. Wouldn't shock me if he is the next US manager. He's probably the type of person that would do well at sevco- working with less, good football, organised etc
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17 Nov 2017, 04:38 PM
Their WC group was pretty much the same as ours.

Germany = England
Czechia = Slovakia
Norway = Slovenia

The strength of their defence is a more relevant point, but they've had those players for a long time and didn't do much before 2016 qualifying. Their prior results were so poor that they were seeded 5th (out of 6) for that draw.
A very good comparison :thumbsup:

Being realistic we can’t attract a proven top drawer manager and O’Neill is way ahead of roon the block Eck, Lambert etc.
I missed out the last paragraph from my quote re NI being 5th seeds from 6 teams. They did remarkably well to finish second. Said before that if we had a better manager who had played a core of Celtic players from the off, we would comfortably have finished second. Anyway, all water under the bridge now.

There seems to be a consensus that Michael O’Neill is our best option from the realistic candidates mentioned so far.
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Just watching the Watford manager Marco Silva being grilled by a SKY reporter re the Everton gig.
It reminded me of the time Jabba jumped into a press conference to fend off questions to the magic hat guy.
It was quite intense watching Silva answering all the questions put to him but answer them he did.
Another example of how much of a bully and an amateur Jabba and his club are when dealing with questions or reporters they don't like or trust.
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17 Nov 2017, 05:19 PM
Just watching the Watford manager Marco Silva being grilled by a SKY reporter re the Everton gig.
It reminded me of the time Jabba jumped into a press conference to fend off questions to the magic hat guy.
It was quite intense watching Silva answering all the questions put to him but answer them he did.
Another example of how much of a bully and an amateur Jabba and his club are when dealing with questions or reporters they don't like or trust.
I absolutely hate that tactic. Sky are notorious for it. A manager prepares his team all week for a specific game and the press conference ahead of that game is about something else. I didn't recall one question about who we are playing tomorrow in Brendan's press conference yesterday.

It was the same with McInnes yesterday to be fair. When the question is asked and answered once, why the need to ask it a further 10 times, slightly reworded?

No shortage of "media analysts" who talk about football management being too cut throat, with managers leaving clubs earlier than is reasonable in a lot of cases. The fact is though that they are as guilty as any party in whipping it up.

I'm sure it'll make a rolling headline every 15 mins on SSN and produce a video clip to drive Sky Sports website traffic though, so job done for the gormless hack.
Edited by Forza, 17 Nov 2017, 05:30 PM.
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No one in their right mind could argue that Michael O'Neill didn't have Northern Ireland punching above their weight. Of course he did. The goalkeeper is a Norwich reserve. Two of his key defenders have a combined age of 76. His first choice right back spent much of his career under Michael at Fleetwood Town. His only player of any real class is Steve Davis and the rest is made up of the likes of Corry Evans, Stuart Dallas, George Seville, Oliver Norwood and Jordan Jones. Not to mention his main striker is now either Josh effing Magennis or Conor Washington - who can't get a game for QPR. A bunch of nobodies he has polished into a team which is incredibly hard to beat and actually quite decent to watch. Irrc ony Germany scored a goal from open play against them the whole qualifying campaign including the playoff. Scotland has better players in almost every position and to me you are lucky to get him if he does get the gig. Give him a chance and I'm certain he will do a superb job.
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17 Nov 2017, 06:05 PM
No one in their right mind could argue that Michael O'Neill didn't have Northern Ireland punching above their weight. Of course he did. The goalkeeper is a Norwich reserve. Two of his key defenders have a combined age of 76. His first choice right back spent much of his career under Michael at Fleetwood Town. His only player of any real class is Steve Davis and the rest is made up of the likes of Corry Evans, Stuart Dallas, George Seville, Oliver Norwood and Jordan Jones. Not to mention his main striker is now either Josh effing Magennis or Conor Washington - who can't get a game for QPR. A bunch of nobodies he has polished into a team which is incredibly hard to beat and actually quite decent to watch. Irrc ony Germany scored a goal from open play against them the whole qualifying campaign including the playoff. Scotland has better players in almost every position and to me you are lucky to get him if he does get the gig. Give him a chance and I'm certain he will do a superb job.
They only conceded 6 goals, 5 of them to Germany and that bizarre own goal by Brunt against Norway. Superb record for a side of their standard.
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No one in their right mind could argue that Michael O'Neill didn't have Northern Ireland punching above their weight. Of course he did. The goalkeeper is a Norwich reserve. Two of his key defenders have a combined age of 76. His first choice right back spent much of his career under Michael at Fleetwood Town. His only player of any real class is Steve Davis and the rest is made up of the likes of Corry Evans, Stuart Dallas, George Seville, Oliver Norwood and Jordan Jones. Not to mention his main striker is now either Josh effing Magennis or Conor Washington - who can't get a game for QPR. A bunch of nobodies he has polished into a team which is incredibly hard to beat and actually quite decent to watch. Irrc ony Germany scored a goal from open play against them the whole qualifying campaign including the playoff. Scotland has better players in almost every position and to me you are lucky to get him if he does get the gig. Give him a chance and I'm certain he will do a superb job.
Jonny Evans is a class player. Miles better than Davis.
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17 Nov 2017, 06:05 PM
No one in their right mind could argue that Michael O'Neill didn't have Northern Ireland punching above their weight. Of course he did. The goalkeeper is a Norwich reserve. Two of his key defenders have a combined age of 76. His first choice right back spent much of his career under Michael at Fleetwood Town. His only player of any real class is Steve Davis and the rest is made up of the likes of Corry Evans, Stuart Dallas, George Seville, Oliver Norwood and Jordan Jones. Not to mention his main striker is now either Josh effing Magennis or Conor Washington - who can't get a game for QPR. A bunch of nobodies he has polished into a team which is incredibly hard to beat and actually quite decent to watch. Irrc ony Germany scored a goal from open play against them the whole qualifying campaign including the playoff. Scotland has better players in almost every position and to me you are lucky to get him if he does get the gig. Give him a chance and I'm certain he will do a superb job.
Jonny Evans is a class player. Miles better than Davis.
Agreed - I was actually talking about the midfield though and in that area Davis is the only one with any class. The rest - all the names I mentioned - are ordinary players from the Championship and League One. Davis, Evans and McCauley are the only ones who would get in the Scotland team. Scotland have a much better pool so if Michael can get more out of them there is no reason why they shouldnt qualify for the Euros - and the World Cup.
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No one in their right mind could argue that Michael O'Neill didn't have Northern Ireland punching above their weight. Of course he did. The goalkeeper is a Norwich reserve. Two of his key defenders have a combined age of 76. His first choice right back spent much of his career under Michael at Fleetwood Town. His only player of any real class is Steve Davis and the rest is made up of the likes of Corry Evans, Stuart Dallas, George Seville, Oliver Norwood and Jordan Jones. Not to mention his main striker is now either Josh effing Magennis or Conor Washington - who can't get a game for QPR. A bunch of nobodies he has polished into a team which is incredibly hard to beat and actually quite decent to watch. Irrc ony Germany scored a goal from open play against them the whole qualifying campaign including the playoff. Scotland has better players in almost every position and to me you are lucky to get him if he does get the gig. Give him a chance and I'm certain he will do a superb job.
Jonny Evans is a class player. Miles better than Davis.
Agreed - I was actually talking about the midfield though and in that area Davis is the only one with any class. The rest - all the names I mentioned - are ordinary players from the Championship and League One. Davis, Evans and McCauley are the only ones who would get in the Scotland team. Scotland have a much better pool so if Michael can get more out of them there is no reason why they shouldnt qualify for the Euros - and the World Cup.
I think the worry I have is that while our pool is greater everywhere else, it's apparently very shallow indeed in centre of defence. McAuley and Evans would walk into that Scotland back line.

Still, I think he's probably the best choice going by some of the names being mentioned.
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