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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,267 Views)
randombloke
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JamesM
15 Nov 2017, 05:19 PM
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15 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
O’Neill leaving NI for Scotland doesn’t feel right, not least because it chapens international football that a manager would give up managing his own country to manage someone else’s for a few extra quid.
Uncommon in Europe (countries tend to stick with their own), but pretty common in Latin America. e.g. Sampaoli and Bielsa have coached both Chile and Argentina, Pekerman has coached Argentina and Colombia. That's just the better known managers. Lots of jumping around between the Spanish-speaking countries in Central and South America.

If you look at it another way, it's kind of odd that the British and Irish FAs haven't gone after each other's managers in the past. Some of them would have been very good candidates at different times, i.e. they speak the language and they have experience of international football. That's unlike most of the managers appointed by our FAs. I think the only manager Scotland have appointed who had past experience with a national team was Berti, unless you count Stein going back for a second spell (he had done it part-time in the mid-60s).
It does seem a bit odd for a manager to (voluntarily) quit managing his own national side to immediately take up a job managing another international team - dunno if any of the South Americans you mentioned have done it that way without sackings or interim jobs being involved.

I suppose he does have strong ties to Scotland given he lives here and spent much (most?) of his playing career here.

I think he'd be a good appointment anyway - he's proven he can pull together a team that gets results with limited resource and he's often quoted as having instilled a "club side" culture in the Norn Irn players....which is probably harder to achieve than it sounds and is a great way to run a national squad if you can manage it. International players always say the right things about their commitment to the cause and wanting to win for the fans....but it's often clear that they really see it as little more than a distraction from their day job. If O'Neill can get them playing for each other as much as anything else then we'll probably see results.

TBF though I don't know if having so many Celtic players in the squad will hinder or help him in establishing a "club side" ethos. If half the starting eleven all come from the one club then I can see it becoming a bit "us & them" even if those players are clearly the best available for their positions.
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Guy that owns my work is friends with Michael o Neill, told me he's been offered the USA job and the Scotland job. I've mentioned on here before that it's the same guy who told me the investors were lining the streets to put money in to Sevco once the Ashley deal was ripped up. So more than a pinch of salt taken with these comments
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15 Nov 2017, 05:19 PM
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15 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
O’Neill leaving NI for Scotland doesn’t feel right, not least because it chapens international football that a manager would give up managing his own country to manage someone else’s for a few extra quid.
Uncommon in Europe (countries tend to stick with their own), but pretty common in Latin America. e.g. Sampaoli and Bielsa have coached both Chile and Argentina, Pekerman has coached Argentina and Colombia. That's just the better known managers. Lots of jumping around between the Spanish-speaking countries in Central and South America.

If you look at it another way, it's kind of odd that the British and Irish FAs haven't gone after each other's managers in the past. Some of them would have been very good candidates at different times, i.e. they speak the language and they have experience of international football. That's unlike most of the managers appointed by our FAs. I think the only manager Scotland have appointed who had past experience with a national team was Berti, unless you count Stein going back for a second spell (he had done it part-time in the mid-60s).
I get that it’s a different culture in other parts of the world but, even in the examples you’ve listed, I don’t think any of them resigned and moved directly from managing their own country to take over at a neighbouring country. If, for argument’s sake, a Scotland manager left to take the England job, I think we’d all be a bit miffed!
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JamesM
15 Nov 2017, 05:19 PM
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15 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
O’Neill leaving NI for Scotland doesn’t feel right, not least because it chapens international football that a manager would give up managing his own country to manage someone else’s for a few extra quid.
Uncommon in Europe (countries tend to stick with their own), but pretty common in Latin America. e.g. Sampaoli and Bielsa have coached both Chile and Argentina, Pekerman has coached Argentina and Colombia. That's just the better known managers. Lots of jumping around between the Spanish-speaking countries in Central and South America.

If you look at it another way, it's kind of odd that the British and Irish FAs haven't gone after each other's managers in the past. Some of them would have been very good candidates at different times, i.e. they speak the language and they have experience of international football. That's unlike most of the managers appointed by our FAs. I think the only manager Scotland have appointed who had past experience with a national team was Berti, unless you count Stein going back for a second spell (he had done it part-time in the mid-60s).
I get that it’s a different culture in other parts of the world but, even in the examples you’ve listed, I don’t think any of them resigned and moved directly from managing their own country to take over at a neighbouring country. If, for argument’s sake, a Scotland manager left to take the England job, I think we’d all be a bit miffed!
Norn Iron’s not a real country though.
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15 Nov 2017, 07:19 PM
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15 Nov 2017, 05:19 PM

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I get that it’s a different culture in other parts of the world but, even in the examples you’ve listed, I don’t think any of them resigned and moved directly from managing their own country to take over at a neighbouring country. If, for argument’s sake, a Scotland manager left to take the England job, I think we’d all be a bit miffed!
Norn Iron’s not a real country though.
Someone didn’t read Fatboab’s sticky about trolling ;)
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On the day that the Scottish Government get the go ahead to priceed with a policy to try to curtail problem drinking, the Scottish FA decide to pursue a guy who has just been banned from driving because he decided to drive at 1.00 am while absolutely pished :lol:
Edited by jim62, 15 Nov 2017, 07:42 PM.
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15 Nov 2017, 07:42 PM
On the day that the Scottish Government get the go ahead to priceed with a policy to try to curtail problem drinking, the Scottish FA decide to pursue a guy who has just been banned from driving because he decided to drive at 1.00 am while absolutely pished :lol:
Have you seen the McGregor thread? ;)
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15 Nov 2017, 05:26 PM
Makes sense for Michael O'Neil. Good train links to work which is a God send when you're not driving.
:lol:
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The Sun has Tim Sherwood, Gus Poyet and Henning Berg all in the running for the rangers job.

They also have Tommy Wright replacing Michael O'Neil.
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16 Nov 2017, 09:34 AM
The Sun has Tim Sherwood, Gus Poyet and Henning Berg all in the running for the rangers job.

They also have Tommy Wright replacing Michael O'Neil.
Would have been an interesting shortlist in 2005. Today, that reads like a who’s who of yesterday’s men.
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16 Nov 2017, 09:53 AM
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16 Nov 2017, 09:34 AM
The Sun has Tim Sherwood, Gus Poyet and Henning Berg all in the running for the rangers job.

They also have Tommy Wright replacing Michael O'Neil.
Would have been an interesting shortlist in 2005. Today, that reads like a who’s who of yesterday’s men.
fitting then.
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16 Nov 2017, 09:34 AM
The Sun has Tim Sherwood, Gus Poyet and Henning Berg all in the running for the rangers job.

They also have Tommy Wright replacing Michael O'Neil.
I can see Sherwood in a Rangers gilet and matching brown brogues.
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16 Nov 2017, 10:50 AM
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16 Nov 2017, 09:34 AM
The Sun has Tim Sherwood, Gus Poyet and Henning Berg all in the running for the rangers job.

They also have Tommy Wright replacing Michael O'Neil.
I can see Sherwood in a Rangers gilet and matching brown brogues.
And sacked for November.
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Please let it be Sherwood. An absolute effwit of the highest order.

The hun job would eat him alive.
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Sherwood? Oh god yes please :lol:
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16 Nov 2017, 09:34 AM
The Sun has Tim Sherwood, Gus Poyet and Henning Berg all in the running for the rangers job.

They also have Tommy Wright replacing Michael O'Neil.
The huns can have all 4 of them at the same time and it won't make any feckin difference.
Edited by dovercelt, 16 Nov 2017, 12:25 PM.
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This relentless sprawl of names for Head Orc just gets better.

The staying power of all of the latest linked failures is beginningless. Each lasts about 9 months per job, currently about the Sevco average. :thumbsup:
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16 Nov 2017, 12:03 PM
Please let it be Sherwood. An absolute effwit of the highest order.

The hun job would eat him alive.
he's an English Caixinha. it'd be fun to see how the press manage to spin his pish as a tactical masterclass.
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fraz1888
15 Nov 2017, 07:11 PM
Guy that owns my work is friends with Michael o Neill, told me he's been offered the USA job and the Scotland job. I've mentioned on here before that it's the same guy who told me the investors were lining the streets to put money in to Sevco once the Ashley deal was ripped up. So more than a pinch of salt taken with these comments
tbf heard that usa were interested in him also.
fwiw he is on crap money managing NI so a bumper pay increase might suit him with Scotland .
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16 Nov 2017, 12:25 PM
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16 Nov 2017, 12:03 PM
Please let it be Sherwood. An absolute effwit of the highest order.

The hun job would eat him alive.
he's an English Caixinha. it'd be fun to see how the press manage to spin his pish as a tactical masterclass.
Caixinha's English is much better than Sherwood's in fairness.
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