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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,268 Views)
murphio
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15 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
O’Neill leaving NI for Scotland doesn’t feel right, not least because it chapens international football that a manager would give up managing his own country to manage someone else’s for a few extra quid.
It wouldnt be for the money - the IFA is prepared to match what Scotland can pay. Scotland is a bigger challenge with a far better squad of players. McCauley, Davis and Evans aside, there isn't one other player Northern Ireland have who would get in the Scotland team. Also, in relation to what was mentioned above, NI are not a team which plays a long ball game. Of late the main striker has been Josh Magennis who isn't a target man - neither is Conor Washington. It's more often than not a 4-3-3. I think he'd be a great appointment for the SFA - the players love him and he knows his stuff tactically. The worry is (as mentioned above) the centre half positions. That is Scotland's weakest area and Northern Ireland's strongest. But NI don't have Tierney and Robertson either.
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Thought he said he wanted his next job to be in club football?
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15 Nov 2017, 01:14 PM
Thought he said he wanted his next job to be in club football?
If Michael leaves the IFA I think it will be for Scotland. He knows the Scottish game, he lives in Edinburgh and his record at the required level is incredible. There was talk of Sunderland but he'd be nuts to go there. Rangers? Apparantly they are interested but I'd be surprised if that was a goer.
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Might go against the grain a bit but I don't think Michael O'Neill would make a success of the Scotland job. Not exactly a major criticism, because virtually every manager recently has failed to make a success of it.

O'Neill wrung every ounce out of key players that can play at elite level like Davis and Evans, and formed the basis of what he was doing around being difficult to beat with them, and the rest of what he had to work with, including several 30 somethings with lots of Premier League experience.

Scotland may be poor and have been for some time, but there is undoubtedly more pressure in that job for a start. The coming generation of Scottish players are nothing like elite in most senses (KT aside), but definitely are not filled with players that are happily or succesfully going to play every game on their own 18 yard line without the ball. Northern Ireland were pretty happy to do this.

The template for Scotland is to strengthen the defence - somehow - by getting a central pairing and back four that it can be reasonably comfortable with. I don't know if that means Cooper at Leeds, Lindsay at Barnsley or whatever, but it simply cannot involve Charlie Mulgrew, Berra or Hanley.

Ahead of that though, players like Armstrong, McGregor, Christie, Cairney, with Tierney, Paterson and Robertson on the sides, they are not players suited to purely churning out defensive drills about being compact and stopping teams playing between lines. Not sure O'Neill has shown he is capable of moulding a team that can play a bit more football at international level.

I am not saying that being able to do that is what Scotland should aspire to (simply winning at all costs to get into a qualification would suit most in Scotland right now I guess), just that it seems to fit better with the type of players they have.
Edited by Forza, 15 Nov 2017, 01:31 PM.
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15 Nov 2017, 12:34 PM
Don't get this Michael O'Neill for Scotland chat either. Can't see why it would be a good move for him, other than the fact he lives here. You'd think if he wanted to progress then a club job might be the way forward. And just because he's done it with NI doesn't mean he can automatically replicate it with Scotland.

But then, the other realistic candidate seems to be Paul Lambert.

Also, Michael O'Neill apparently a sevco target? Who came up with that and who is their dealer?
lambert is a terrible manager.
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15 Nov 2017, 01:30 PM
modest mouse
15 Nov 2017, 12:34 PM
Don't get this Michael O'Neill for Scotland chat either. Can't see why it would be a good move for him, other than the fact he lives here. You'd think if he wanted to progress then a club job might be the way forward. And just because he's done it with NI doesn't mean he can automatically replicate it with Scotland.

But then, the other realistic candidate seems to be Paul Lambert.

Also, Michael O'Neill apparently a sevco target? Who came up with that and who is their dealer?
lambert is a terrible manager.
His career, after a promising start, seems to have regressed. I think as a coach he wouldn't be bad but he has the personality of a wet mop.
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IainG
15 Nov 2017, 01:47 PM
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15 Nov 2017, 01:30 PM
modest mouse
15 Nov 2017, 12:34 PM
Don't get this Michael O'Neill for Scotland chat either. Can't see why it would be a good move for him, other than the fact he lives here. You'd think if he wanted to progress then a club job might be the way forward. And just because he's done it with NI doesn't mean he can automatically replicate it with Scotland.

But then, the other realistic candidate seems to be Paul Lambert.

Also, Michael O'Neill apparently a sevco target? Who came up with that and who is their dealer?
lambert is a terrible manager.
His career, after a promising start, seems to have regressed. I think as a coach he wouldn't be bad but he has the personality of a wet mop.
We won’t exactly have a queue at the door and I would be happy enough with Michael O’Neill over the likes of Lambert or McLeish. We have better players than NI and with the majority of our strongest line up our own bhoys, we can definitely do better with a decent manager that will play them, without fear of upsetting any anti Celtic mob.

I don’t share the views of some that we would play a dated style as it’s not the way the hard core of squad play. Michael O’Neill had little choice in how he set his NI teams up. He made the most of the limitations of the players at his disposal and ultimately was robbed of the chance to get to Russia by one of the worst refereeing decisions you are likely to see.
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Sky reporting that SFA have made official approach for O’Neill.
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Ironically despite my misgivings, Scotland actually pursuing O'Neill is probably the most ambition we've shown as a nation for as long as I can remember.

Having read Murphio's post I'm prepared to see the positives in bringing him in, or at least give him some time in the role and see what he can bring to the team.

I suppose the aim is that if he can get NI into WC playoffs then replicating that would mean taking Scotland to outright qualification.

And I suppose there's his record at Shamrock Rovers to consider previously, which suggests that his success with NI isn't a one-off or contingent on certain circumstances. So taking all that into account he's every chance of making a success of it.
Edited by modest mouse, 15 Nov 2017, 03:02 PM.
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15 Nov 2017, 01:30 PM
modest mouse
15 Nov 2017, 12:34 PM
Don't get this Michael O'Neill for Scotland chat either. Can't see why it would be a good move for him, other than the fact he lives here. You'd think if he wanted to progress then a club job might be the way forward. And just because he's done it with NI doesn't mean he can automatically replicate it with Scotland.

But then, the other realistic candidate seems to be Paul Lambert.

Also, Michael O'Neill apparently a sevco target? Who came up with that and who is their dealer?
lambert is a terrible manager.
Yeah that was pretty much what I was hinting at. O'Neill has at least done far more to deserve the job.
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Seemingly the SFA have made an approach for Michael O'Neill.
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I was firmly against Michael O’Neill getting the Celtic job when he was linked after Ronny left but can’t argue with him were Scotland are concerned. A proven international manager.
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Michael ONeill makes sense

Expect Hearts assistant MacPhee and Murderwells youth coach Craigan to be his main backroom

Tommy Wright will step in to the O6 , who will be in at St Johnstone ??? Promote Callum Davidson?
Edited by tonyjaa-csc, 15 Nov 2017, 04:36 PM.
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15 Nov 2017, 12:43 PM
O’Neill leaving NI for Scotland doesn’t feel right, not least because it chapens international football that a manager would give up managing his own country to manage someone else’s for a few extra quid.
Uncommon in Europe (countries tend to stick with their own), but pretty common in Latin America. e.g. Sampaoli and Bielsa have coached both Chile and Argentina, Pekerman has coached Argentina and Colombia. That's just the better known managers. Lots of jumping around between the Spanish-speaking countries in Central and South America.

If you look at it another way, it's kind of odd that the British and Irish FAs haven't gone after each other's managers in the past. Some of them would have been very good candidates at different times, i.e. they speak the language and they have experience of international football. That's unlike most of the managers appointed by our FAs. I think the only manager Scotland have appointed who had past experience with a national team was Berti, unless you count Stein going back for a second spell (he had done it part-time in the mid-60s).
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Makes sense for Michael O'Neil. Good train links to work which is a God send when you're not driving.
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15 Nov 2017, 05:26 PM
Makes sense for Michael O'Neil. Good train links to work which is a God send when you're not driving.
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15 Nov 2017, 05:26 PM
Makes sense for Michael O'Neil. Good train links to work which is a God send when you're not driving.
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15 Nov 2017, 02:53 PM
Pedro for Scotland ?
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15 Nov 2017, 03:01 PM
Ironically despite my misgivings, Scotland actually pursuing O'Neill is probably the most ambition we've shown as a nation for as long as I can remember.

Having read Murphio's post I'm prepared to see the positives in bringing him in, or at least give him some time in the role and see what he can bring to the team.

I suppose the aim is that if he can get NI into WC playoffs then replicating that would mean taking Scotland to outright qualification.

And I suppose there's his record at Shamrock Rovers to consider previously, which suggests that his success with NI isn't a one-off or contingent on certain circumstances. So taking all that into account he's every chance of making a success of it.
He would need some time but I am not sure he will get it - and certainly not to the same degree he did with Northern Ireland. He had an absolutely woeful start but the IFA and the fans stuck with him and they really reaped the rewards. I always felt that if NI went out of the play-off O'Neill would be appointed the new Scotland manager - and it increasingly looks that way. Michael is a decent guy, a good coach and has an incredible record at international level with a very ordinary group of players. The fact he has a working knowledge of the Scottish game and lives in Scotland makes the whole thing a no-brainer for me. If it does come to pass then the upshot is likely to be St Johnstone needing a new manager.
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