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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,295 Views)
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puroresu_boy
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24 Oct 2017, 10:58 AM
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As I stated, he fared better than every other manager over the last 30 years other than Benitez and KD. If that's your measurement then almost every manager in the world is a failure.
I know what you're getting at, but imagine that Rogers went through last season undefeated. He'd drawn, say, ten games. Aberdeen lost one but won the league. Which is the better achievement? It's about winning at the end of the day and everything else is only gossip. Just looked at Liverpool's managers over the last 30 years and Dalglish, Souness, Evans, Houllier and Benitez won cups. I think you would be hard pushed to find a LFC fan who would say Evans or Souness reign was better than Rodgers.
Souness was responsible for sending LFC back a good few years leaving Evans to clean up that mess.
It's difficult to judge BR's reign I feel. He took over from the Dalglish experiment and then within 2 years took them closer to the title than any Manager since Dalglish. Even Rafa never went as close.
Of course he never won anything but he did a good job there.
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I like Everton and hope they get Tuchel in as manager.
That's who they should get but I feel they are going to get this wrong.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:04 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIt can't be nice being called murderers for 90 minutes. Hillsborough proved, and proves, that we couldn't care less about football when our own are dying. That brought into play all seater stadiums. That means that if you get a ticket in the Kop for a derby game you can't just go and be with your red mates (as I did numerous times). You're isolated now and thus become a magnet for half eaten meat pies etc. This creates hostility in the ground and derby games can be quite poisonous. It is funny, however, when you see the day trippers in the reds support wearing half and half scarfs!
Are Everton fans doing this at derbies?
It's not as prevalent now mate, but yes, there's songs about them being murderers and there was even a flag about it. Not nice at all. It's not unlike the ninety minute bigot thing at Glasgow derbies I suppose. It stems from the fact that arguably our best ever side was denied the chance to play in the European Cup because of the ban on English sides entering. This led to some of our players going to Scotland. Everton would have been one of the favourites for sure in 1986, Lineker had come in too for that season and would likely have stayed longer with European football on the menu.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:06 AM
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Much posting, such opinion, very controversial. wow.
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The guy is entitled not to be so keen on Rodgers if that's how he feels. We had some on here who for some reason didn't like MON and then a lot more who didn't like Strachan.
Is saying the lad with the teeth any worse than some of the nicknames or given to some of our players over the years?
Exactly. Some people need to get a grip with the sycophancy surrounding Rodgers atm. Half expecting some posters to start offering him a gammy If Brendan whips it out, who am I to refuse? Unbeaten in 60 ffs, have a bit of respect.
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puroresu_boy
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24 Oct 2017, 11:16 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIt can't be nice being called murderers for 90 minutes
It's not as prevalent now mate, but yes, there's songs about them being murderers and there was even a flag about it. Not nice at all. It's not unlike the ninety minute bigot thing at Glasgow derbies I suppose. It stems from the fact that arguably our best ever side was denied the chance to play in the European Cup because of the ban on English sides entering. This led to some of our players going to Scotland.
Everton would have been one of the favourites for sure in 1986, Lineker had come in too for that season and would likely have stayed longer with European football on the menu. Liverpool of 87/88 also would of also been one of the favourites.
Barnes, Beardsley, Houghton, Aldridge and Rush returned a year later. Great side.
Real shame Barnes at his peak never got to play in the European Cup.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:25 AM
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The guy is entitled not to be so keen on Rodgers if that's how he feels. We had some on here who for some reason didn't like MON and then a lot more who didn't like Strachan.
Is saying the lad with the teeth any worse than some of the nicknames or given to some of our players over the years?
Exactly. Some people need to get a grip with the sycophancy surrounding Rodgers atm. Half expecting some posters to start offering him a gammy
If Brendan whips it out, who am I to refuse? Unbeaten in 60 ffs, have a bit of respect.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:26 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIt can't be nice being called murderers for 90 minutes
Everton would have been one of the favourites for sure in 1986, Lineker had come in too for that season and would likely have stayed longer with European football on the menu.
Liverpool of 87/88 also would of also been one of the favourites. Barnes, Beardsley, Houghton, Aldridge and Rush returned a year later. Great side. Real shame Barnes at his peak never got to play in the European Cup. Heysel was the beginning of the end for Liverpool as the dominant force, I think United were coming eventually anyway but looking back the process was in motion from then on. Hillsborough not long after and they've never looked the same powerhouse club since.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:39 AM
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- 22 Oct 2017, 10:55 PM
I know you all pure love my LFC takes so here goes...
Klopp has too much faith in lads like Lovren and Mignolet who only turn up the minority of the time. He was a bit too loyal in his early BVB days; think this half-season might be the turning point for a lot of those Liverpool players. Also, if the club hadn't messed around Southampton trying to van Dijk for less than he was worth, he'd probably be a Liverpool player. Wouldn't solve all the problems, but would certainly help. Klopp showed in the past he knows how to set up a good defence at Dortmund, and Liverpool have had 3-4 spells under him where the defending has been generally excellent. Mad goals are always part of the deal when you play the way he wants to, but guys like Lovren make those howlers in any system....he's not a bad player, but his concentration levels mixed in with what appears to be both complete overconfidence and chronic underconfidence at times makes him tough to want in the team.
This season, though, it's been very deficient. Hope it changes soon, though I expect he'll get at least one more season after this even if it continues in such an irritating fashion - the Yanks are doted on him. A great manager and a wonderful man but a little too loyal to guys who he never signed. BVB gave him the time to weed them out, just need to hope he does the same. Lovren, Moreno and Mignolet - three of the worst offenders for Lpool most of the time - are all decent backups, but never first picks. Hope Fenway sort it out between now and summer because most of his signings have been excellent.
Needs to weed out the ones who can't take the pressure, or reduce them to being squad players. While I'll never turn on Klopp just through having seen him at Dortmund since the start and knowing how good he is, I'm surprised that Mignolet, Henderson (to an extent) and Lovren are still first picks. That loyalty is part of his positive demeanor, though, so double-edged sword.
Spurs are class by the way; they are where Liverpool looked around this time last season before they fell away. Brilliant to watch, fair play to them. Pochettino is up there with the best, too.
His signings have been poor overall. Mane and that's it. Salah needs a full season before he can be judged.
Karius is a good keeper, broke his wrist before the season started after a great pre-season. Really hampered his progress but never the diddy made out to be. Matip was excellent at first but like many good defenders is being dragged down by the clod next to him. Klopp' major mistake is keeping so much faith in pish like Lovren and Mignolet. Mane has been stellar, Salah had one of the most exciting starts I can remember seeing. Keita will be outstanding for Liverpool, too. Why does Salah need a full season before he can judged? He's hardly had a fluke start or has a reputation for being a diddy, does he? He's effing quality - anyone with a pair of eyes can see his talent. It's abundant. Wijnaldum has been very strong since he came in - quietly a very effective player. Guys like Robertson and Klavan play as they are - decent enough back-ups but will struggle if given too many games. Most clubs have players like this. Chamberlain an odd one but looked decent the last 2-3 games. Solanke has excellent potential, will take Sturridge - who looks done - out of the team long-term. Wouldn't say that's 'poor' to be honest. Add in van Dijk and Keita and the signings would be very good indeed. Agree with Danny and co. that a more reliable finisher and a screen for the defence would make a major difference. Henderson and Can have both tried it suit a more typical CM role - something he needs to address in the medium-term. HAHAHA Koeman. 6m a year, was it? Absolute throbber and a very mediocre manager. Cheerio ya fud. Salah failed in the EPL before, mate. He has had a terrific start though at Anfield.
I, stand by the comment that only Mane has been a successful Klopp signing. Karius is a good goalkeeper but he hasn't delivered for Pool. The rest have been poor to pish.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:39 AM
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I know what you're getting at, but imagine that Rogers went through last season undefeated. He'd drawn, say, ten games. Aberdeen lost one but won the league. Which is the better achievement? It's about winning at the end of the day and everything else is only gossip. Just looked at Liverpool's managers over the last 30 years and Dalglish, Souness, Evans, Houllier and Benitez won cups.
I think you would be hard pushed to find a LFC fan who would say Evans or Souness reign was better than Rodgers. Souness was responsible for sending LFC back a good few years leaving Evans to clean up that mess. It's difficult to judge BR's reign I feel. He took over from the Dalglish experiment and then within 2 years took them closer to the title than any Manager since Dalglish. Even Rafa never went as close. Of course he never won anything but he did a good job there. - Quote:
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I like Everton and hope they get Tuchel in as manager.
That's who they should get but I feel they are going to get this wrong. I understand your point about success but it depends on what your definition is. Mine is silverware. Others might be a place in the latter stages of the ECL. As an Evertonian, ours this year might be a place in the top half of the Premier League. That's fine, but the red noses I know do not regard winning nothing as success. Just my opinion like....
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24 Oct 2017, 11:42 AM
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Would Neil Lennon be in the running?
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24 Oct 2017, 11:43 AM
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Would Neil Lennon be in the running? Can't imagine him going to the huns.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:44 AM
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Would Neil Lennon be in the running? He hasn't been mentioned here mate. Interesting shout though.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:47 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIt can't be nice being called murderers for 90 minutes. Hillsborough proved, and proves, that we couldn't care less about football when our own are dying. That brought into play all seater stadiums. That means that if you get a ticket in the Kop for a derby game you can't just go and be with your red mates (as I did numerous times). You're isolated now and thus become a magnet for half eaten meat pies etc. This creates hostility in the ground and derby games can be quite poisonous. It is funny, however, when you see the day trippers in the reds support wearing half and half scarfs!
Are Everton fans doing this at derbies?
It's not as prevalent now mate, but yes, there's songs about them being murderers and there was even a flag about it. Not nice at all. It's not unlike the ninety minute bigot thing at Glasgow derbies I suppose. It stems from the fact that arguably our best ever side was denied the chance to play in the European Cup because of the ban on English sides entering. This led to some of our players going to Scotland. This is 1 of the main reasons I’ve heard that everything changed. Mind you I’ve heard all sorts of tales re Heysel and it not all being Liverpool fans that went abroad but cant comment on that. My impression of the Derby down here that it’s quite venomous sometimes, there can be a lot of trouble in town afterwards but that could be because of the early kick off time and loads of alcohol. The rivalry in work between guys is not as bad as us n the Huns tho, religion doesn’t come into it, although the Reds love taunting the bitter blues. Saying all that Liverpool supporters save most of their vitriol for Manchester United....that is quite naughty and working/socialising in Manchester I can certainly say the Manc feel the same way.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:50 AM
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I think its kind of interesting but both LV and Everton lack a centre forward. Both teams would be doing a lot better with focal point of attack.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:55 AM
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Karius is a good keeper, broke his wrist before the season started after a great pre-season. Really hampered his progress but never the diddy made out to be. Matip was excellent at first but like many good defenders is being dragged down by the clod next to him. Klopp' major mistake is keeping so much faith in pish like Lovren and Mignolet. Mane has been stellar, Salah had one of the most exciting starts I can remember seeing. Keita will be outstanding for Liverpool, too. Why does Salah need a full season before he can judged? He's hardly had a fluke start or has a reputation for being a diddy, does he? He's effing quality - anyone with a pair of eyes can see his talent. It's abundant. Wijnaldum has been very strong since he came in - quietly a very effective player. Guys like Robertson and Klavan play as they are - decent enough back-ups but will struggle if given too many games. Most clubs have players like this. Chamberlain an odd one but looked decent the last 2-3 games. Solanke has excellent potential, will take Sturridge - who looks done - out of the team long-term. Wouldn't say that's 'poor' to be honest. Add in van Dijk and Keita and the signings would be very good indeed. Agree with Danny and co. that a more reliable finisher and a screen for the defence would make a major difference. Henderson and Can have both tried it suit a more typical CM role - something he needs to address in the medium-term. HAHAHA Koeman. 6m a year, was it? Absolute throbber and a very mediocre manager. Cheerio ya fud.
Salah failed in the EPL before, mate. He has had a terrific start though at Anfield. I, stand by the comment that only Mane has been a successful Klopp signing. Karius is a good goalkeeper but he hasn't delivered for Pool. The rest have been poor to pish. Salah didn't fail. He played a total of 13 games for Chelsea and he was never really given a chance to show his worth.
No surprise once he went to Italy and played regularly his quality was plain to see.
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24 Oct 2017, 11:56 AM
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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For a few minutes of absolute hilarity nip over to Sevco Media and see some of the chimps' suggestions for a new manager. I'm sure the majority aren't joking either!
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24 Oct 2017, 12:21 PM
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Lads, I won't add too much to the debate about the Everton manager's post as I have suffered the various duds we have been presented with in my time, following on from Harry Catterick. This is not the forum to pontificate about likely successors to Koeman but I will say that if you think that we are interested in the Fat Spanish Waiter or your mate with the teeth you are wrong. I acknowledge that Rodgers is doing a fine job at Celtic, but it still hurts that my other club (family, political reasons) saw fit to appoint him. Everton FC will not appoint either of those two, just like you would not really consider John Greig ffor a post at Paradise. Or would you? The fat waiter has won more European trophies in 12 years than Everton have in their history & has won as many league titles as a manager than Everton have in 50 years.
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24 Oct 2017, 12:21 PM
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Would Neil Lennon be in the running?
Can't imagine him going to the huns. Can't imagine him running.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIt can't be nice being called murderers for 90 minutes
It's not as prevalent now mate, but yes, there's songs about them being murderers and there was even a flag about it. Not nice at all. It's not unlike the ninety minute bigot thing at Glasgow derbies I suppose. It stems from the fact that arguably our best ever side was denied the chance to play in the European Cup because of the ban on English sides entering. This led to some of our players going to Scotland.
This is 1 of the main reasons I’ve heard that everything changed. Mind you I’ve heard all sorts of tales re Heysel and it not all being Liverpool fans that went abroad but cant comment on that. My impression of the Derby down here that it’s quite venomous sometimes, there can be a lot of trouble in town afterwards but that could be because of the early kick off time and loads of alcohol. The rivalry in work between guys is not as bad as us n the Huns tho, religion doesn’t come into it, although the Reds love taunting the bitter blues. Saying all that Liverpool supporters save most of their vitriol for Manchester United....that is quite naughty and working/socialising in Manchester I can certainly say the Manc feel the same way. There's plenty of good natured banter around, but Liverpool Town Centre is full of loons any night, not just after match night. A lad got stabbed to death last Saturday. The reds taunt us as they're lovely carefree scamps. Us blues know them better but that's not for this forum. Wonder who they'll be replacing Klippetty with once he's been sussed out?
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24 Oct 2017, 12:28 PM
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Lads, I won't add too much to the debate about the Everton manager's post as I have suffered the various duds we have been presented with in my time, following on from Harry Catterick. This is not the forum to pontificate about likely successors to Koeman but I will say that if you think that we are interested in the Fat Spanish Waiter or your mate with the teeth you are wrong. I acknowledge that Rodgers is doing a fine job at Celtic, but it still hurts that my other club (family, political reasons) saw fit to appoint him. Everton FC will not appoint either of those two, just like you would not really consider John Greig ffor a post at Paradise. Or would you?
The fat waiter has won more European trophies in 12 years than Everton have in their history & has won as many league titles as a manager than Everton have in 50 years. What's your point? Read my explanations on here on why we don't want him then come back and talk to me
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24 Oct 2017, 12:32 PM
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Would Neil Lennon be in the running?
Can't imagine him going to the huns.
Can't imagine him running. Ooft
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