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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,303 Views)
JamesJoyce
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I like Klopp as a character but he really doesn't seem to be doing all that well.
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Klopp has some terrific attributes as a manager but Liverpool’s hopeless recruitment strategy during the summer has killed them this season. If anything, they made an even bigger mess of the most recent window than they did the summer they sold Suarez.
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22 Oct 2017, 09:41 PM
Ranieri’s miraculous success at Leicester has killed that job for any manager for the foreseeable future. After a season like that one everything they do now is underwhelming.
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Wagner would be a good shout for Everton
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Klopp has some terrific attributes as a manager but Liverpool’s hopeless recruitment strategy during the summer has killed them this season. If anything, they made an even bigger mess of the most recent window than they did the summer they sold Suarez.
I’m going to show my ignorance here, but what are his terrific attributes as a manager?

All I know are his attributes that come across via the media, and those are that he’s a effing bellend.

Sorry, I can’t stand his “zany outlier” shtick
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22 Oct 2017, 10:11 PM
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22 Oct 2017, 09:53 PM
Klopp has some terrific attributes as a manager but Liverpool’s hopeless recruitment strategy during the summer has killed them this season. If anything, they made an even bigger mess of the most recent window than they did the summer they sold Suarez.
I’m going to show my ignorance here, but what are his terrific attributes as a manager?

All I know are his attributes that come across via the media, and those are that he’s a effing bellend.

Sorry, I can’t stand his “zany outlier” shtick
You think a guy who won the Bundesliga, took Dortmund to a Champions League Final and managed to get Liverpool back into the Champions League for the first time in four years has nothing to offer? He’s clearly a fine coach and motivator but the individual errors his goalie and defenders are currently making are killing him. Rodgers lost his job at Liverpool because the club’s transfer dealings were miserable. Klopp looks like he could go the same way.
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I know you all pure love my LFC takes so here goes...

Klopp has too much faith in lads like Lovren and Mignolet who only turn up the minority of the time. He was a bit too loyal in his early BVB days; think this half-season might be the turning point for a lot of those Liverpool players. Also, if the club hadn't messed around Southampton trying to van Dijk for less than he was worth, he'd probably be a Liverpool player. Wouldn't solve all the problems, but would certainly help. Klopp showed in the past he knows how to set up a good defence at Dortmund, and Liverpool have had 3-4 spells under him where the defending has been generally excellent. Mad goals are always part of the deal when you play the way he wants to, but guys like Lovren make those howlers in any system....he's not a bad player, but his concentration levels mixed in with what appears to be both complete overconfidence and chronic underconfidence at times makes him tough to want in the team.

This season, though, it's been very deficient. Hope it changes soon, though I expect he'll get at least one more season after this even if it continues in such an irritating fashion - the Yanks are doted on him. A great manager and a wonderful man but a little too loyal to guys who he never signed. BVB gave him the time to weed them out, just need to hope he does the same. Lovren, Moreno and Mignolet - three of the worst offenders for Lpool most of the time - are all decent backups, but never first picks. Hope Fenway sort it out between now and summer because most of his signings have been excellent.

Needs to weed out the ones who can't take the pressure, or reduce them to being squad players. While I'll never turn on Klopp just through having seen him at Dortmund since the start and knowing how good he is, I'm surprised that Mignolet, Henderson (to an extent) and Lovren are still first picks. That loyalty is part of his positive demeanor, though, so double-edged sword.

Spurs are class by the way; they are where Liverpool looked around this time last season before they fell away. Brilliant to watch, fair play to them. Pochettino is up there with the best, too.
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22 Oct 2017, 10:18 PM
Rodgers lost his job at Liverpool because the club’s transfer dealings were miserable. Klopp looks like he could go the same way.
Klopp's signings are all his, though.

Rodgers done an incredible job considering that basket case Liverpool were when he took over.
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22 Oct 2017, 10:55 PM
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22 Oct 2017, 10:18 PM
Rodgers lost his job at Liverpool because the club’s transfer dealings were miserable. Klopp looks like he could go the same way.
Klopp's signings are all his, though.

Rodgers done an incredible job considering that basket case Liverpool were when he took over.
Yup. Some guy called Michael Edwards is more or less running things, and 'won' the battle against Rodgers. Clubs run very weirdly, to be honest. Every period of progress is always completely derailed by mad amateurism.
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22 Oct 2017, 10:18 PM
15not25
22 Oct 2017, 10:11 PM
One sharp cookie
22 Oct 2017, 09:53 PM
Klopp has some terrific attributes as a manager but Liverpool’s hopeless recruitment strategy during the summer has killed them this season. If anything, they made an even bigger mess of the most recent window than they did the summer they sold Suarez.
I’m going to show my ignorance here, but what are his terrific attributes as a manager?

All I know are his attributes that come across via the media, and those are that he’s a effing bellend.

Sorry, I can’t stand his “zany outlier” shtick
You think a guy who won the Bundesliga, took Dortmund to a Champions League Final and managed to get Liverpool back into the Champions League for the first time in four years has nothing to offer? He’s clearly a fine coach and motivator but the individual errors his goalie and defenders are currently making are killing him. Rodgers lost his job at Liverpool because the club’s transfer dealings were miserable. Klopp looks like he could go the same way.
I'm sure some fella called Rodgers took Liverpool into the Champions League the season before Klopp arrived. :thumbsup:
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22 Oct 2017, 10:55 PM
Klopp showed in the past he knows how to set up a good defence at Dortmund, and Liverpool have had 3-4 spells under him where the defending has been generally excellent.
Something Klopp is missing dearly are folk like Kehl and Bender.

Can and Henderson are fine individually, but together they're too similar. I think even more than a centre back, they need a right boring bastard that'll just sit in front of their defence and protect them.
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22 Oct 2017, 10:18 PM
15not25
22 Oct 2017, 10:11 PM
One sharp cookie
22 Oct 2017, 09:53 PM
Klopp has some terrific attributes as a manager but Liverpool’s hopeless recruitment strategy during the summer has killed them this season. If anything, they made an even bigger mess of the most recent window than they did the summer they sold Suarez.
I’m going to show my ignorance here, but what are his terrific attributes as a manager?

All I know are his attributes that come across via the media, and those are that he’s a effing bellend.

Sorry, I can’t stand his “zany outlier” shtick
You think a guy who won the Bundesliga, took Dortmund to a Champions League Final and managed to get Liverpool back into the Champions League for the first time in four years has nothing to offer? He’s clearly a fine coach and motivator but the individual errors his goalie and defenders are currently making are killing him. Rodgers lost his job at Liverpool because the club’s transfer dealings were miserable. Klopp looks like he could go the same way.
That’s why I said “I’m going to show my ignorance here....”

Thanks for the comprehensive answer
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Ray McKinnon is either already on gardening leave or he's the last to know about his sacking. Stated in the paper tomorrow yet no official announcement as far as I can see.

DU are a shambles.

Apparently John Hughes is next.
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22 Oct 2017, 07:24 PM
“Leicester should go for Brendan Rodgers. He has done a fine job at Celtic, but the defeats by Paris St Germain and Bayern Munich have shown him that he can go no further”

The gulf between the best in Scotland and the best in Europe is immense. His record at Liverpool more than stands comparison with Jurgen Klopp and he could definitely get Leicester into the top half.”




Shut the fek up Dietmar Hamann :thumbsup:
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And folk on here call me paranoid?

For avoidance of doubt, can't see BR going back south any time soon (even if he was offered a job at a "big 6" club). The kudos of completing 10IAR will make up for any financial windfall he might miss out on.
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Klopp has the guts of a very good team who collectively can punch above their weight from time to time. If given time he can make them into a team who will consistently push for a top 4 finish. Thing is, I'm no sure if he deserves it. The two players Klopp wanted in the summer, Virgil and Keita, would make a big improvement to the team and the club's failure to get them hampered Klopp but he should have been prepared for that and should be doing better with what he has. Maybe when Liverpool gave Klopp that six year contract extension they saw it as a long term plan where year on year they improved and weren't just tying up a guy who had a good start to an extremely long contract. Maybe Klopp views things in a similar long term fashion and getting Keita in for next season is the next step in a long journey. I doubt the fans do.
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Dannybhoy95
22 Oct 2017, 11:07 PM
adammce
22 Oct 2017, 10:55 PM
Klopp showed in the past he knows how to set up a good defence at Dortmund, and Liverpool have had 3-4 spells under him where the defending has been generally excellent.
Something Klopp is missing dearly are folk like Kehl and Bender.

Can and Henderson are fine individually, but together they're too similar. I think even more than a centre back, they need a right boring bastard that'll just sit in front of their defence and protect them.
Should've kept Lucas.
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22 Oct 2017, 10:55 PM
I know you all pure love my LFC takes so here goes...

Klopp has too much faith in lads like Lovren and Mignolet who only turn up the minority of the time. He was a bit too loyal in his early BVB days; think this half-season might be the turning point for a lot of those Liverpool players. Also, if the club hadn't messed around Southampton trying to van Dijk for less than he was worth, he'd probably be a Liverpool player. Wouldn't solve all the problems, but would certainly help. Klopp showed in the past he knows how to set up a good defence at Dortmund, and Liverpool have had 3-4 spells under him where the defending has been generally excellent. Mad goals are always part of the deal when you play the way he wants to, but guys like Lovren make those howlers in any system....he's not a bad player, but his concentration levels mixed in with what appears to be both complete overconfidence and chronic underconfidence at times makes him tough to want in the team.

This season, though, it's been very deficient. Hope it changes soon, though I expect he'll get at least one more season after this even if it continues in such an irritating fashion - the Yanks are doted on him. A great manager and a wonderful man but a little too loyal to guys who he never signed. BVB gave him the time to weed them out, just need to hope he does the same. Lovren, Moreno and Mignolet - three of the worst offenders for Lpool most of the time - are all decent backups, but never first picks. Hope Fenway sort it out between now and summer because most of his signings have been excellent.

Needs to weed out the ones who can't take the pressure, or reduce them to being squad players. While I'll never turn on Klopp just through having seen him at Dortmund since the start and knowing how good he is, I'm surprised that Mignolet, Henderson (to an extent) and Lovren are still first picks. That loyalty is part of his positive demeanor, though, so double-edged sword.

Spurs are class by the way; they are where Liverpool looked around this time last season before they fell away. Brilliant to watch, fair play to them. Pochettino is up there with the best, too.
His signings have been poor overall. Mane and that's it. Salah needs a full season before he can be judged.
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23 Oct 2017, 07:43 AM
adammce
22 Oct 2017, 10:55 PM
I know you all pure love my LFC takes so here goes...

Klopp has too much faith in lads like Lovren and Mignolet who only turn up the minority of the time. He was a bit too loyal in his early BVB days; think this half-season might be the turning point for a lot of those Liverpool players. Also, if the club hadn't messed around Southampton trying to van Dijk for less than he was worth, he'd probably be a Liverpool player. Wouldn't solve all the problems, but would certainly help. Klopp showed in the past he knows how to set up a good defence at Dortmund, and Liverpool have had 3-4 spells under him where the defending has been generally excellent. Mad goals are always part of the deal when you play the way he wants to, but guys like Lovren make those howlers in any system....he's not a bad player, but his concentration levels mixed in with what appears to be both complete overconfidence and chronic underconfidence at times makes him tough to want in the team.

This season, though, it's been very deficient. Hope it changes soon, though I expect he'll get at least one more season after this even if it continues in such an irritating fashion - the Yanks are doted on him. A great manager and a wonderful man but a little too loyal to guys who he never signed. BVB gave him the time to weed them out, just need to hope he does the same. Lovren, Moreno and Mignolet - three of the worst offenders for Lpool most of the time - are all decent backups, but never first picks. Hope Fenway sort it out between now and summer because most of his signings have been excellent.

Needs to weed out the ones who can't take the pressure, or reduce them to being squad players. While I'll never turn on Klopp just through having seen him at Dortmund since the start and knowing how good he is, I'm surprised that Mignolet, Henderson (to an extent) and Lovren are still first picks. That loyalty is part of his positive demeanor, though, so double-edged sword.

Spurs are class by the way; they are where Liverpool looked around this time last season before they fell away. Brilliant to watch, fair play to them. Pochettino is up there with the best, too.
His signings have been poor overall. Mane and that's it. Salah needs a full season before he can be judged.
Salah is a terrific player and already looks a brilliant signing.

Pressure is on Liverpools forward line, looks like they need to score a minimum of 3 goals a game to bail out their rotten defence
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23 Oct 2017, 08:02 AM
allthewine
23 Oct 2017, 07:43 AM
adammce
22 Oct 2017, 10:55 PM
I know you all pure love my LFC takes so here goes...

Klopp has too much faith in lads like Lovren and Mignolet who only turn up the minority of the time. He was a bit too loyal in his early BVB days; think this half-season might be the turning point for a lot of those Liverpool players. Also, if the club hadn't messed around Southampton trying to van Dijk for less than he was worth, he'd probably be a Liverpool player. Wouldn't solve all the problems, but would certainly help. Klopp showed in the past he knows how to set up a good defence at Dortmund, and Liverpool have had 3-4 spells under him where the defending has been generally excellent. Mad goals are always part of the deal when you play the way he wants to, but guys like Lovren make those howlers in any system....he's not a bad player, but his concentration levels mixed in with what appears to be both complete overconfidence and chronic underconfidence at times makes him tough to want in the team.

This season, though, it's been very deficient. Hope it changes soon, though I expect he'll get at least one more season after this even if it continues in such an irritating fashion - the Yanks are doted on him. A great manager and a wonderful man but a little too loyal to guys who he never signed. BVB gave him the time to weed them out, just need to hope he does the same. Lovren, Moreno and Mignolet - three of the worst offenders for Lpool most of the time - are all decent backups, but never first picks. Hope Fenway sort it out between now and summer because most of his signings have been excellent.

Needs to weed out the ones who can't take the pressure, or reduce them to being squad players. While I'll never turn on Klopp just through having seen him at Dortmund since the start and knowing how good he is, I'm surprised that Mignolet, Henderson (to an extent) and Lovren are still first picks. That loyalty is part of his positive demeanor, though, so double-edged sword.

Spurs are class by the way; they are where Liverpool looked around this time last season before they fell away. Brilliant to watch, fair play to them. Pochettino is up there with the best, too.
His signings have been poor overall. Mane and that's it. Salah needs a full season before he can be judged.
Salah is a terrific player and already looks a brilliant signing.

Pressure is on Liverpools forward line, looks like they need to score a minimum of 3 goals a game to bail out their rotten defence
Agree with adammce and yourself. They also need a proper no.9.Sturridge is not reliable.
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