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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,311 Views)
georgiesleftpeg
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macfleeto
15 Oct 2017, 11:53 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deephttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41626593
So, that's about the only half decent name I've seen touted...ruled out. :lol:

Damaged goods to be fair Big Sam, but the options now don't look better than Strachan. Rip it up and start again with an inferior coach looming.
I don't think the names left in the mix with Big Sam's removal are inspiring at all. Looks like we would have been as well sticking with Strachan. Despite illogical selections at times we were on an upward trajectory in terms of results.
Nah.
Broon needs to chuck the international fitba.
Monsieur Strach-an (©Bobo Balde ) getting his jotters, hopefully facilitates this :thumbsup:
Edited by georgiesleftpeg, 16 Oct 2017, 09:17 AM.
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15 Oct 2017, 03:16 PM
Really don’t understand why the no1 criteria for managing the international team is that the coach must be Scottish.

Aye, but Berti Vogts but. Pure jingoism.
In the spirit of 'competing nations' - can it not be argued that the manager should meet the same eligibility requirements as the players ?
Why?

Doesn’t apply in any other sports that I can think of.
Or even any other football team.
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14 Oct 2017, 12:50 PM
I think people might be overstating the managerial prowess of Steve Clarke. Clearly a good assistant manager but his managerial record is sacked by West Brom and sacked by Reading.

His pedigree for the top job is about on par with what Lee Clark’s was.
Could say same about Rodgers - sacked by Reading, sacked by Liverpool.

Most managers get sacked eventually.

Clarke took WBA to their highest ever EPL finish and also took Reading to their first FA Cup Semi in 30 odd years.

Time will tell if he's a good appointment but saying he was sacked by a club doesn't exactly tell the full story!
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14 Oct 2017, 01:19 PM
Wonder what they've promised Clarke. Good appointment but don't see what's in it for him unless they're offering investment.
A lot of his family support Killie, he's a local lad, his family are close by etc. He's made his money, doubt he needs to work given what he was earning at Chelsea, Liverpool, West Ham, WBA etc.

At West Ham he was the highest earning coach in the EPL so he's maybe just looking for a job close to home.

From what I heard he wanted assurances about Youth Development, proposed training centre etc so think he see's it as a long term plan.

He's our biggest managerial appointment since Burns. If he's 10% of the manager/influence he was then i'll be delighted.

Saturday was the best I've seen our away support in years in terms of support/noise. We only had 1,000 there but it was excellent. Hopefully something to build on.
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16 Oct 2017, 10:32 AM
hazy
14 Oct 2017, 12:50 PM
I think people might be overstating the managerial prowess of Steve Clarke. Clearly a good assistant manager but his managerial record is sacked by West Brom and sacked by Reading.

His pedigree for the top job is about on par with what Lee Clark’s was.
Could say same about Rodgers - sacked by Reading, sacked by Liverpool.

Most managers get sacked eventually.

Clarke took WBA to their highest ever EPL finish and also took Reading to their first FA Cup Semi in 30 odd years.

Time will tell if he's a good appointment but saying he was sacked by a club doesn't exactly tell the full story!
It's probably also worth considering that for teams like Killie, the potential from income developing and selling on players is probably just as important as getting results. Obviously they want to stay in the league and have a decent cup run every now and then, but they're never going to have massive revenues from anywhere else so developing decent young players and trying to play football that people might actually pay to watch should be a major part of their business model. Employing a guy like Clarke who is known as a good coach should - in theory at least - be a big step towards achieving that.
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hazy
14 Oct 2017, 12:50 PM
I think people might be overstating the managerial prowess of Steve Clarke. Clearly a good assistant manager but his managerial record is sacked by West Brom and sacked by Reading.

His pedigree for the top job is about on par with what Lee Clark’s was.
Could say same about Rodgers - sacked by Reading, sacked by Liverpool.

Most managers get sacked eventually.

Clarke took WBA to their highest ever EPL finish and also took Reading to their first FA Cup Semi in 30 odd years.

Time will tell if he's a good appointment but saying he was sacked by a club doesn't exactly tell the full story!
It's probably also worth considering that for teams like Killie, the potential from income developing and selling on players is probably just as important as getting results. Obviously they want to stay in the league and have a decent cup run every now and then, but they're never going to have massive revenues from anywhere else so developing decent young players and trying to play football that people might actually pay to watch should be a major part of their business model. Employing a guy like Clarke who is known as a good coach should - in theory at least - be a big step towards achieving that.
Correct and I think that's what most fans are pleased about.

A manager that has a plan and from what i'll heard about his demands before taking the job, developing players is a massive part of that.
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Steve Clarke is a good appointment for Kilmarnock.

Anyone going to see a Scotland friendly after another disastrous ending to a qualifying campaign and managed by Malky Mackay must be tapped in the head.

Also, I suspect will get the job if he gets a good result, because if the SFA were genuinely concerned about a backlash, they wouldn't have given him a one-game gig or, in fact, employed him in the first place.

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Malky McKay has taken numerous courses and has also undertaken a lot of speeches to school kids and others about racism and misogyny. He's faced up to the fact that what he wrote in 3 texts out of thousands was wrong. He's publicly spoken out about it yet some people would deny him his livelihood.
I know what he did is wrong and so does he. He's now an advocate for inclusion so he deserves a chance without all the moral crusaders having a go when it is very likely that those same people have likely overstepped the mark unwittingly as I know I have.


Someone get the violin out.

Lets just look at what Mackay said

"I'd humbly ask people to ask themselves the question, if their own phone was taken and every private text was scrutinised there would certainly be an amount of embarrassing texts there for everyone.

No Malky not me as guess what I don't send racist, or discriminatory messages to people. That is simply Mackay trying to somehow say he was unlucky that only 3 texts from thousands were offensive.

"I've been in a multi-cultural football environment for 20 years. I love British football and I'm no racist, I'm no sexist, I'm no homophobe and I'm not anti-Semitic."

He said there was no excuse for what he did then made an excuse. This kind of defence is no different to the guy who tells racist jokes and then claims he works with a Black guy.

You say he has been to plenty of courses etc etc but how does one become reformed if they cant accept they have a problem in the first place?

He should be nowhere near the Scotland Managerial position just as the English FA were correct to sack Hoddle after his offensive remarks about disabled people.


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16 Oct 2017, 02:25 PM
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Malky McKay has taken numerous courses and has also undertaken a lot of speeches to school kids and others about racism and misogyny. He's faced up to the fact that what he wrote in 3 texts out of thousands was wrong. He's publicly spoken out about it yet some people would deny him his livelihood.
I know what he did is wrong and so does he. He's now an advocate for inclusion so he deserves a chance without all the moral crusaders having a go when it is very likely that those same people have likely overstepped the mark unwittingly as I know I have.


Someone get the violin out.

Lets just look at what Mackay said

"I'd humbly ask people to ask themselves the question, if their own phone was taken and every private text was scrutinised there would certainly be an amount of embarrassing texts there for everyone.

No Malky not me as guess what I don't send racist, or discriminatory messages to people. That is simply Mackay trying to somehow say he was unlucky that only 3 texts from thousands were offensive.

"I've been in a multi-cultural football environment for 20 years. I love British football and I'm no racist, I'm no sexist, I'm no homophobe and I'm not anti-Semitic."

He said there was no excuse for what he did then made an excuse. This kind of defence is no different to the guy who tells racist jokes and then claims he works with a Black guy.

You say he has been to plenty of courses etc etc but how does one become reformed if they cant accept they have a problem in the first place?

He should be nowhere near the Scotland Managerial position just as the English FA were correct to sack Hoddle after his offensive remarks about disabled people.


or you could just face the fact that Luigi/Ricki is a relentless troll.
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15 Oct 2017, 01:02 PM
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15 Oct 2017, 12:58 PM
Coyle and Clarke taking jobs with smaller clubs up here is interesting. Don't think either would have been interested even a year ago. Obviously both careers on the slide but something else happening?

Rodgers raising the profile of the league? Or maybe they realise that there's no point taking a job in England when you could be out in a few months if results don't go your way?
Nothing else happening. No one down south offering them jobs.
just saw clarke on sky

first question - how did this come about?

second question (more of a leading statement) - some people would see this as a step down...

aye nae bother hayley ya effing clueless muppet

a step down from unemployment to a job?

effing sky winkers
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I’d consider managing Killie to be a step down from being in jail tbh
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16 Oct 2017, 04:26 PM
I’d consider managing Killie to be a step down from being in jail tbh
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16 Oct 2017, 03:47 PM
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LambertandButler
15 Oct 2017, 12:58 PM
Coyle and Clarke taking jobs with smaller clubs up here is interesting. Don't think either would have been interested even a year ago. Obviously both careers on the slide but something else happening?

Rodgers raising the profile of the league? Or maybe they realise that there's no point taking a job in England when you could be out in a few months if results don't go your way?
Nothing else happening. No one down south offering them jobs.
just saw clarke on sky

first question - how did this come about?

second question (more of a leading statement) - some people would see this as a step down...

aye nae bother hayley ya effing clueless muppet

a step down from unemployment to a job?

effing sky winkers
It is a step down from his previous jobs though hence why it was seen as a bit of a coup for Kilmarnock to get him.
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16 Oct 2017, 03:47 PM
aye nae bother hayley ya effing clueless muppet
You watch yer effing mouth when you speak about her.
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Regardless of how their last jobs went, the appointment of Stevie Clarke and to a lesser extent, Owen Coyle are both tremendous appointments for Killie and County respectively.
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It's a big coup for Kilmarnock and I hope he does well with them. Appointments like that help to raise the profile of the league as well.
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16 Oct 2017, 08:04 PM
Regardless of how their last jobs went, the appointment of Stevie Clarke and to a lesser extent, Owen Coyle are both tremendous appointments for Killie and County respectively.
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16 Oct 2017, 08:04 PM
Regardless of how their last jobs went, the appointment of Stevie Clarke and to a lesser extent, Owen Coyle are both tremendous appointments for Killie and County respectively.
Absolutely :thumbsup:
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Clarke I can just about begrudgingly get on board with idea he might be some sort of coup, but Coyle had pretty much nowhere else to go beyond giving England’s league 2 or the league of Ireland a try.

I think we do Scottish football a bigger disservice by rolling over to have our belly tickled everytime someone with any kind of recognisable name gives it a second glance.
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hazy
16 Oct 2017, 08:20 PM
Clarke I can just about begrudgingly get on board with idea he might be some sort of coup, but Coyle had pretty much nowhere else to go beyond giving England’s league 2 or the league of Ireland a try.

I think we do Scottish football a bigger disservice by rolling over to have our belly tickled everytime someone with any kind of recognisable name gives it a second glance.
Spot on :thumbsup:

Coyle had destroyed all the provincial clubs in the North West, so was desperate for any work.

Clarke isn't yet in that kind of stooshie.
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