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| Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,317 Views) | |
| Tubbytubthumper | 14 Oct 2017, 12:06 PM Post #4821 |
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i haven't put words in your mouth I have made assumptions onwhat you have posted.....simlar to what you have done too. I have never said MacKay was the victim. I clearly stated what he did was wrong - i am not scoring points one way or the other. If MacKay doesn't get the job that should be based on him being a shampooe manager, rather than something he did 3/4 years ago and has been at least trying to rehabilitate himself for since then. Edit: I have no understanding as to the mind of MacKay either at that time or this so cannot possibly confirm as to whether he has actually meant what he said either then or whether he is genuinely remorseful now....However he has at least taken action to look at the ignorance of his comments. Does he deserve credit for that? Depends on your viewpoint, however I think that if someone hold a long-term view that is flawed, discriminatory, wrong....incendiary even and changes these views through time and being challenged on his ignorant views and actually does something (if it isn't a hollow action) to change the viewpoints of others then surely he must deserve credit for that? Otherwise what is the point of releasing anyone from prison for hate crimes, what is the point of an apology? Its easy to say that he should never work in his chosen profession again (again not saying you have said this) but then why have any sort of rehabilitation or remorse. People grow throughout their lives, I include everyone in that, we all change, and grow. Was he wrong...absolutely, should he be given a chance to move on from that....I believe so. Should he be Scotland Manager...? Hell no - he is pish! Edited by Tubbytubthumper, 14 Oct 2017, 12:18 PM.
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| brian mclair's hair | 14 Oct 2017, 12:27 PM Post #4822 |
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Think they've done a great job securing him Maybe some folk down there will actually go and see them! |
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| Puskas | 14 Oct 2017, 12:34 PM Post #4823 |
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At the very least McKay's past behaviour should have completely ruled him out of ever being Scotland manager, interim or not. Shameful from the SFA., not for the first time. |
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| 33-rpm | 14 Oct 2017, 12:42 PM Post #4824 |
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Still we sing with our heroes, thirty-three-rounds-per-minute
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Yup, that's a massive appointment by Kilmarnock. Well done to them. Assuming he's not in charge for today's six pointer against Thistle his first two games in charge are at Ibrox and Celtic Park. Probably what the phrase "baptism of fire" was coined for. Still want them to go down. |
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| hazy | 14 Oct 2017, 12:50 PM Post #4825 |
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Getting on a bit
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I think people might be overstating the managerial prowess of Steve Clarke. Clearly a good assistant manager but his managerial record is sacked by West Brom and sacked by Reading. His pedigree for the top job is about on par with what Lee Clark’s was. |
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| Pussyfoot | 14 Oct 2017, 12:55 PM Post #4826 |
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À la mode if you will
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Think there was a shout or two for Steve to get the Scotland position, I'm in agreement with yourself on this one. Like the guy, he was a fine player but he's got a lot to prove. |
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| idyllwild | 14 Oct 2017, 12:56 PM Post #4827 |
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Sorry mate, but right now he is the new national team manager. |
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| 33-rpm | 14 Oct 2017, 01:01 PM Post #4828 |
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Still we sing with our heroes, thirty-three-rounds-per-minute
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Nobody is saying he's Jose Mourinho, but for Kilmarnock to secure a guy who was managing in the EPL fairly recently - he took West Brom to eighth in that league - and who was being mentioned as a potential Celtic manager is a coup for them. We don't always have to talk down the Scottish game. |
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| Jimmy_Quinn's_Hattrick | 14 Oct 2017, 01:14 PM Post #4829 |
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Clarke is definitely a big coup for Killie. A lot of folk were pitching him for Celtic not that long ago! I'm not sure any manager can achieve much more than a bottom 4 finish with them, given their squad and general air of shampooeyness. He's taking a risk here; if this goes wrong he won't be getting another job above League One for a long time. |
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| Ponder Stibbons | 14 Oct 2017, 01:16 PM Post #4830 |
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To those claiming McKay's past behaviour should exclude him from ever representing Scotland, should Leigh Griffiths' past behaviour exclude him from ever representing Scotland too? Or Celtic, for that matter? |
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| Dempele | 14 Oct 2017, 01:16 PM Post #4831 |
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Getting Clarke is a good move for Killie IMO. |
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| LambertandButler | 14 Oct 2017, 01:19 PM Post #4832 |
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The Greek Finance Minister
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Wonder what they've promised Clarke. Good appointment but don't see what's in it for him unless they're offering investment. |
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| Quiet Assasin | 14 Oct 2017, 01:27 PM Post #4833 |
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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Appointed on 'Show Racism the Red Card' week as well
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| maestromichael | 14 Oct 2017, 02:29 PM Post #4834 |
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Some of the stuff on here beggars belief. Mackay is now a paragon of inclusion because he did an awareness course and is made head of developing our youngsters (see also Harvey Weinstein, treatment for sex addiction and other obvious attempts by a desparate publicist to save a career). Big Sam was really a victim of entrapment as though his previous shenanigans with his son hadn't happened (see any Panorama football specials). We're told he was just "unlucky" to get caught when so many others have also been at it (see the misfortunes of deidco and the travesty of their harmless attempts to navigate the minefield of modern taxation being unfairly exposed). Ffs... I'm all for genuine rehabilitation and second chances but within limits. What's next for the SFA? Lance Armstrong for the new national fitness coachand wee Bob Diamond as the new CFO? |
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| sevilliano | 14 Oct 2017, 02:31 PM Post #4835 |
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moyes interview last night just shocking the guy comes across as a dick |
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| tinsoldier | 14 Oct 2017, 02:32 PM Post #4836 |
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Older than dirt
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He is. But nobody should be in the least bit surprised, seeing as the same board appointed him performance director. They've looked around for 10 minutes and though "Ah, there's Malky. He'll do for a few weeks". It's nonsense, but as I say to be expected. It shouldn't stop players wanting to turn up, or supporters boycotting the game. There is a bigger picture here and it's the long-term future of the national side, who (hopefully) will be under a coach/manager that can really make a difference. |
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| Tubbytubthumper | 14 Oct 2017, 02:39 PM Post #4837 |
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Ffs... I'm all for genuine rehabilitation and second chances Yeah i see that..... I am not saying McKay should be given the Scotland job, I just don't think his previous actions should be taken into account when his actions since should be ignored. Just my opinion and I have said my bit...will leave it there[/b] Edited by Tubbytubthumper, 14 Oct 2017, 02:40 PM.
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| modest mouse | 14 Oct 2017, 02:40 PM Post #4838 |
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This is actually a fair point. Going on what has been said about Malky Mackay, we should have binned Leigh Griffiths and he should never have been seen in professional football again. I don't think you'll ever hear anyone defend Mackay's words and actions, and rightly so. Nobody truly knows how remorseful or otherwise Mackay actually is, but we can only go on his subsequent words and actions. It boils down to the whole rehabilitation argument. If someone behaves in a discriminatory fashion, or commits some form of shameful act, should they be allowed the opportunity to rehabilitate themselves? Granted, in many other walks of life someone who made the comments that Mackay made would be extremely unlikely to get near the same sort of role again. But the same applies to Leigh Griffiths and none of us are talking about him now either. |
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| maestromichael | 14 Oct 2017, 02:59 PM Post #4839 |
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Nothing interested in getting involved in an unnecessary stramash either and actually take your point re Mackay on board but as someone who has spent 6 years working with ex-offenders as head of an Integrated offender Management team what you can see about my attitude to second chances is limited at best. |
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| Tubbytubthumper | 14 Oct 2017, 03:09 PM Post #4840 |
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Fair enough - and very noble - if often thankless work |
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