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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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11 Oct 2017, 12:13 PM
I think Shinnie is a player with a bit about him who could possibly thrive if given the opportunity at a higher level. McLean is awful and Walker is far too inconsistent at the moment.

Definitely think Shinnie should have been given more of a chance at least.

Scotland missed a trick with the likes of the friendly against Canada etc would have been a good opportunity to pick a squad of home based players and have a look at a few of these guys.

GS has, rightly, been criticised for his seeming preference for English based players but the truth is there aren’t too many great options waiting to step up from the SPL. As a big a problem is that he seems to pick the wrong players time and again. Sticking with Hutton and Hanley for far too long, persevering with the hopeless Phillips while the impressive Ryan Fraser hasn’t really been given a run out. Sticking with Barry Bannan, a player who plays like he’s read a book about playing in midfield but never actually watched any football.

I can understand the attempts to bring continuity to an international set up and foster a “club side” mentality but it long ago went beyond that into pig ignorant stubborness.

And above all that the genetics pish should see the end of his reign. Effectively saying the job is impossible whatever he does. That’s a clear sign it’s time to give someone one a chance.

Allardyce would be fine imo
would you play Shinnie ahead of Robertson or/and Tierney at left back - or ahead of Brown, Armstrong, McGinn, McGregor, etc in central midfield?
No.

But Brown and Armstrong weren’t available for the last two games. McGinn I’m not sure about. McGregor is playing brilliantly just now but there was no great clamour for his inclusion earlier in the campaign.

I’d play Shinnie in front of Bannan and Darren Fletcher is done at that level.

John Fleck will get a chance before him.

Fletcher was certain with Brown out. WGS needed a experienced leader to to charge of the midfield, Fletcher was his best option, not the best player, but the best man to have out there. Most likely he is done as you say, but going into the final two games you need someone that you trust 100% out there to lead your team. Fletcher was the best option for Strachan for those two games with Brown out.
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No.

But Brown and Armstrong weren’t available for the last two games. McGinn I’m not sure about. McGregor is playing brilliantly just now but there was no great clamour for his inclusion earlier in the campaign.

I’d play Shinnie in front of Bannan and Darren Fletcher is done at that level.

John Fleck will get a chance before him.

Fletcher was certain with Brown out. WGS needed a experienced leader to to charge of the midfield, Fletcher was his best option, not the best player, but the best man to have out there. Most likely he is done as you say, but going into the final two games you need someone that you trust 100% out there to lead your team. Fletcher was the best option for Strachan for those two games with Brown out.
I'd agree with that. Fletcher actually had a decent first half on Sunday, and of course put the ball through for Snodgrass' equaliser.

He's done at International level though, and he realises it himself I think.
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Bobby Peru
11 Oct 2017, 12:13 PM
I think Shinnie is a player with a bit about him who could possibly thrive if given the opportunity at a higher level. McLean is awful and Walker is far too inconsistent at the moment.

Definitely think Shinnie should have been given more of a chance at least.

Scotland missed a trick with the likes of the friendly against Canada etc would have been a good opportunity to pick a squad of home based players and have a look at a few of these guys.

GS has, rightly, been criticised for his seeming preference for English based players but the truth is there aren’t too many great options waiting to step up from the SPL. As a big a problem is that he seems to pick the wrong players time and again. Sticking with Hutton and Hanley for far too long, persevering with the hopeless Phillips while the impressive Ryan Fraser hasn’t really been given a run out. Sticking with Barry Bannan, a player who plays like he’s read a book about playing in midfield but never actually watched any football.

I can understand the attempts to bring continuity to an international set up and foster a “club side” mentality but it long ago went beyond that into pig ignorant stubborness.

And above all that the genetics pish should see the end of his reign. Effectively saying the job is impossible whatever he does. That’s a clear sign it’s time to give someone one a chance.

Allardyce would be fine imo
McLean isn’t awful. Wouldn’t say he’s good enough for international football but he’s not awful either.
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11 Oct 2017, 03:37 PM

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I'll take a stab at basic sense of morality...
Love to type should feck off etc.

He would be a great appointment.. morales etc in football sailed away a long time ago worldwide


Sam would be a great shout if we could afford him
:rubeyes: morals exist in football just as they do in life even if some show scant regard for them. Big part of the reason I love Celtic is because of that and who and what we stand for historically.

Personally wouldn't want him near the job.
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11 Oct 2017, 07:35 PM
morals exist in football just as they do in life even if some show scant regard for them. Big part of the reason I love Celtic is because of that and who and what we stand for historically.
Celtic employ Leigh Griffiths.

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The majority of the starting 11 will most likely come from a Celtic team coached by Rodgers into playing with the ball on the deck and using possession to win games. Sam has never set a football team up to do that so we'd end up with a situation where 6/7 technically inclined footballers (along with the likes of Robertson, Burke, Christie etc) would be forced to smash it up the park to follow their manager's will. A team should never be set up to accommodate the weakest link; it should be set up to exploit the best players available.



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11 Oct 2017, 07:35 PM
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Love to type should feck off etc.

He would be a great appointment.. morales etc in football sailed away a long time ago worldwide


Sam would be a great shout if we could afford him
:rubeyes: morals exist in football just as they do in life even if some show scant regard for them. Big part of the reason I love Celtic is because of that and who and what we stand for historically.

Personally wouldn't want him near the job.
Morals and the SFA are not exactly easy bedfellows. If Allardyce was interested in the job the only sticking point would be the order in which brown envelopes were exchanged.
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Bobby Peru
11 Oct 2017, 12:13 PM
I think Shinnie is a player with a bit about him who could possibly thrive if given the opportunity at a higher level. McLean is awful and Walker is far too inconsistent at the moment.

Definitely think Shinnie should have been given more of a chance at least.

Scotland missed a trick with the likes of the friendly against Canada etc would have been a good opportunity to pick a squad of home based players and have a look at a few of these guys.

GS has, rightly, been criticised for his seeming preference for English based players but the truth is there aren’t too many great options waiting to step up from the SPL. As a big a problem is that he seems to pick the wrong players time and again. Sticking with Hutton and Hanley for far too long, persevering with the hopeless Phillips while the impressive Ryan Fraser hasn’t really been given a run out. Sticking with Barry Bannan, a player who plays like he’s read a book about playing in midfield but never actually watched any football.

I can understand the attempts to bring continuity to an international set up and foster a “club side” mentality but it long ago went beyond that into pig ignorant stubborness.

And above all that the genetics pish should see the end of his reign. Effectively saying the job is impossible whatever he does. That’s a clear sign it’s time to give someone one a chance.

Allardyce would be fine imo
If one of your main complaints about Strachan is his preference for players just because they're playing in England, it's hard to see that changing much for the better if Allardyce gets the Scotland job.
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Nosferatu on RS this morning saying Strachan will be gone by tomorrow, mind you he said that last time :)

What is success for Scotland though? Going into a group as 4th seed and expecting to finish top?
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12 Oct 2017, 09:17 AM
Nosferatu on RS this morning saying Strachan will be gone by tomorrow, mind you he said that last time :)

What is success for Scotland though? Going into a group as 4th seed and expecting to finish top?
The meeting is today and Strachan isn't showing apparently - He should be hunted but I suspect they will keep him on unless he himself chooses to rap it.
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12 Oct 2017, 09:17 AM
Nosferatu on RS this morning saying Strachan will be gone by tomorrow, mind you he said that last time :)

What is success for Scotland though? Going into a group as 4th seed and expecting to finish top?
Depends on the group.

England - One of the weakest Pot 1 sides.
Slovenia - Average
Slovakia - Average.

The fact the 2nd placed team in our group didn't even make the playoff says it all.

This was a kind group for Scotland considering we were pot 4.
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The majority of the starting 11 will most likely come from a Celtic team coached by Rodgers into playing with the ball on the deck and using possession to win games. Sam has never set a football team up to do that so we'd end up with a situation where 6/7 technically inclined footballers (along with the likes of Robertson, Burke, Christie etc) would be forced to smash it up the park to follow their manager's will. A team should never be set up to accommodate the weakest link; it should be set up to exploit the best players available.



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National sides almost never change just because there's a majority of a club side's players.
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11 Oct 2017, 03:46 PM
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11 Oct 2017, 03:38 PM
Bobby Peru
11 Oct 2017, 12:13 PM
I think Shinnie is a player with a bit about him who could possibly thrive if given the opportunity at a higher level. McLean is awful and Walker is far too inconsistent at the moment.

Definitely think Shinnie should have been given more of a chance at least.

Scotland missed a trick with the likes of the friendly against Canada etc would have been a good opportunity to pick a squad of home based players and have a look at a few of these guys.

GS has, rightly, been criticised for his seeming preference for English based players but the truth is there aren’t too many great options waiting to step up from the SPL. As a big a problem is that he seems to pick the wrong players time and again. Sticking with Hutton and Hanley for far too long, persevering with the hopeless Phillips while the impressive Ryan Fraser hasn’t really been given a run out. Sticking with Barry Bannan, a player who plays like he’s read a book about playing in midfield but never actually watched any football.

I can understand the attempts to bring continuity to an international set up and foster a “club side” mentality but it long ago went beyond that into pig ignorant stubborness.

And above all that the genetics pish should see the end of his reign. Effectively saying the job is impossible whatever he does. That’s a clear sign it’s time to give someone one a chance.

Allardyce would be fine imo
would you play Shinnie ahead of Robertson or/and Tierney at left back - or ahead of Brown, Armstrong, McGinn, McGregor, etc in central midfield?
No.

But Brown and Armstrong weren’t available for the last two games. McGinn I’m not sure about. McGregor is playing brilliantly just now but there was no great clamour for his inclusion earlier in the campaign.

I’d play Shinnie in front of Bannan and Darren Fletcher is done at that level.

John Fleck will get a chance before him.

Darren Fletcher was OK in the games against Slovakia and Slovenia - certainly play him ahead of Shinnie.
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12 Oct 2017, 11:22 AM
Willie Wonka
12 Oct 2017, 09:17 AM
Nosferatu on RS this morning saying Strachan will be gone by tomorrow, mind you he said that last time :)

What is success for Scotland though? Going into a group as 4th seed and expecting to finish top?
Depends on the group.

England - One of the weakest Pot 1 sides.
Slovenia - Average
Slovakia - Average.

The fact the 2nd placed team in our group didn't even make the playoff says it all.

This was a kind group for Scotland considering we were pot 4.
Below Pot 1 we should be competing and beating the majority of teams both home and away. This has been evident the last two campaigns with stupid results against garbage going against us (Georgia and Lithuania)
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12 Oct 2017, 08:48 AM
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11 Oct 2017, 06:26 PM

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:rubeyes: morals exist in football just as they do in life even if some show scant regard for them. Big part of the reason I love Celtic is because of that and who and what we stand for historically.

Personally wouldn't want him near the job.
Morals and the SFA are not exactly easy bedfellows. If Allardyce was interested in the job the only sticking point would be the order in which brown envelopes were exchanged.
Morals for the most part are now devoid in football. Anything else is naivety. Unfortunate but fully true.

Examples that define it are FIFA giving a World Cup to russia then qatar :ffs:

Brown envelope central.

UEFA's pandering to the large clubs and easy access to CL groups that has now become an utter joke of a competition for the super rich. Having a russian gangster conpany (gasprom) as a major sponsor.

Again brown envelope central.

SFA blazer brigade interested in one thing survival at all costs and answerable to no one. Wheel will keep on turning.

Our own club has a support that is both socially aware and politically aware right or wrong and the fans let it known more than most when things are not done correctly which i adore about us as a support.

Our players recently have been racially abused nowt said by our board and CL tickets priced to high especially for kids mean families and future fans priced out if going to watch a team a fair size will have expensive ST bought by parents. My little girl is to young to go but i read on here guys l and girls who take kids every week and couldn't afford to take them. Morally i felt that was pish from the board and pretty much against the grain of what we are about.

Back on subject agents take envelopes and manipulate every inch of the game to get more money for them and their players. Sam would be a great result driven appointment. He was just unlucky he got caught.
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12 Oct 2017, 09:17 AM
Nosferatu on RS this morning saying Strachan will be gone by tomorrow, mind you he said that last time :)

What is success for Scotland though? Going into a group as 4th seed and expecting to finish top?
Climbing up the rankings so that we're no longer 4th seeds would be a start.

But rather than having a hard measure of what is success I think Strachan's fate, like that of most managers, will depend on the gut feeling of the support and media over whether he is doing a good job and/or taking the team forward.

While Strachan's defenders will point to improvements over the second half of this qualifying group, I don't think there's a general feeling that he's the man to get the best out of the players he has available and that performances will continue to be in the main poor to mediocre.
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