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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,336 Views)
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11 Oct 2017, 01:39 PM
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"Former England manager Sam Allardyce has refused to rule out an interest in taking over from Gordon Strachan." (various press reports). How would that go down then?
Get him tae eff fixed.
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11 Oct 2017, 01:42 PM
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Big Sam?
Chris Martin and just lump it up to him all game. No thanks
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11 Oct 2017, 01:42 PM
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- Marado
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"Former England manager Sam Allardyce has refused to rule out an interest in taking over from Gordon Strachan." (various press reports). How would that go down then?
Get him tae eff
fixed. Why?
He's a manager with a track record of getting results with groups of players that aren't very good at football.
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Dannybhoy95
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11 Oct 2017, 01:49 PM
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Big Sam?
Chris Martin and just lump it up to him all game. No thanks Jermaine Defoe, Obafemi Martins and Michael Owen would like a word.
Allardyce isn't Guardiola, but it doesn't mean he'll jam a team full of giants.
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11 Oct 2017, 02:40 PM
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I think Shinnie is a player with a bit about him who could possibly thrive if given the opportunity at a higher level. McLean is awful and Walker is far too inconsistent at the moment.
Definitely think Shinnie should have been given more of a chance at least.
Scotland missed a trick with the likes of the friendly against Canada etc would have been a good opportunity to pick a squad of home based players and have a look at a few of these guys.
GS has, rightly, been criticised for his seeming preference for English based players but the truth is there aren’t too many great options waiting to step up from the SPL. As a big a problem is that he seems to pick the wrong players time and again. Sticking with Hutton and Hanley for far too long, persevering with the hopeless Phillips while the impressive Ryan Fraser hasn’t really been given a run out. Sticking with Barry Bannan, a player who plays like he’s read a book about playing in midfield but never actually watched any football.
I can understand the attempts to bring continuity to an international set up and foster a “club side” mentality but it long ago went beyond that into pig ignorant stubborness.
And above all that the genetics pish should see the end of his reign. Effectively saying the job is impossible whatever he does. That’s a clear sign it’s time to give someone one a chance.
Allardyce would be fine imo
Agree with all here. I also think Shinnie is a decent player. Agree shinnie along with mcginn are both players who have potential to go onto bigger better things
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11 Oct 2017, 03:14 PM
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- 10 Oct 2017, 11:20 AM
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Coaching is correct but a good generation of players is a SFA answer. North of Ireland have a limited pool of players along with eire. iceland and Bosnia have played at major finals as well. The crap we hear constantly a out lack of quality of player is rubbish. Playing to players strengths and a solid system that they feel comfortable in is THE main component to a successful side. Strachan has failed on so many levels. Bottom line is results and he has failed x 2. If he honestly gets a third chance it is utter nonsense. Go and get someone who will blood our young players and maybe cost us the next euros for the WC in Qatar with a potential new breed of player One thing we can all agree in is his stubborness and lets be honest he will keep playing the same players. If he gets off to a bad start then knives will be out. Another wasted campaign by him.
Yeah i accept all that but there is no doubt the level of player available to Scotland in the 80's for indstance is far far superior to the present day. So, having a good generation of players available is certainly part of it. Greatest respect the point im making is you do not need a generation of players... that is simply not true. You need a system that everyone can play to strengths coupled with a gaffer that ensues confidence and being comfortable... the players and quality chat is a side show.
Current Scotland gaffer between being stubborn and tactically wrong has got it wrong umpteen times. His gaffers have been out of tune now for literally 30 years.. yet nothing gets done. Full set up is abhorrent now and beyond a joke or laugh.
Regan has now sat over 3 campaigns and gets a gig..
It wont change no one has the balls so the wheel keeps turning because of committees and pay grades At hampden
Depressing stuff with no end... between media pals, they all know each other, feart to criticise or expose the full country wide set up has made us the state we are... there is no end to it
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11 Oct 2017, 03:17 PM
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I think Shinnie is a player with a bit about him who could possibly thrive if given the opportunity at a higher level. McLean is awful and Walker is far too inconsistent at the moment.
Definitely think Shinnie should have been given more of a chance at least.
Scotland missed a trick with the likes of the friendly against Canada etc would have been a good opportunity to pick a squad of home based players and have a look at a few of these guys.
GS has, rightly, been criticised for his seeming preference for English based players but the truth is there aren’t too many great options waiting to step up from the SPL. As a big a problem is that he seems to pick the wrong players time and again. Sticking with Hutton and Hanley for far too long, persevering with the hopeless Phillips while the impressive Ryan Fraser hasn’t really been given a run out. Sticking with Barry Bannan, a player who plays like he’s read a book about playing in midfield but never actually watched any football.
I can understand the attempts to bring continuity to an international set up and foster a “club side” mentality but it long ago went beyond that into pig ignorant stubborness.
And above all that the genetics pish should see the end of his reign. Effectively saying the job is impossible whatever he does. That’s a clear sign it’s time to give someone one a chance.
Allardyce would be fine imo
Agree with all here. I also think Shinnie is a decent player.
Agree shinnie along with mcginn are both players who have potential to go onto bigger better things Totally agree, the likes of Shinnie, Christie, McGinn, Burke, Cummings and Ralston should all be getting a chance to show their potential. Still doesn`t solve the problem of CB! Are there any good one?
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11 Oct 2017, 03:22 PM
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- 11 Oct 2017, 12:54 AM
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- 10 Oct 2017, 09:33 PM
Actually think allardyce would do a good job and he's apparently looking for an international gig. Candidates like, Alex Neil, Lambert and Collins will feel they are to young for it and wouldn't be interested. Agree that things will never change till the bowlers and blazers are rooted out and we get a proper football association
Disagree. The majority of the starting 11 will most likely come from a Celtic team coached by Rodgers into playing with the ball on the deck and using possession to win games. Sam has never set a football team up to do that so we'd end up with a situation where 6/7 technically inclined footballers (along with the likes of Robertson, Burke, Christie etc) would be forced to smash it up the park to follow their manager's will. A team should never be set up to accommodate the weakest link; it should be set up to exploit the best players available. Scotland needs to hire a budget Brendan Rodgers and cram the team full of as many celtic players possible including Ralston and McGregor
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11 Oct 2017, 03:37 PM
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fixed.
Why? He's a manager with a track record of getting results with groups of players that aren't very good at football. Exactly.
Genuinely don't understand why people would be against big Sam.
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DKB
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11 Oct 2017, 03:38 PM
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- Bobby Peru
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I think Shinnie is a player with a bit about him who could possibly thrive if given the opportunity at a higher level. McLean is awful and Walker is far too inconsistent at the moment.
Definitely think Shinnie should have been given more of a chance at least.
Scotland missed a trick with the likes of the friendly against Canada etc would have been a good opportunity to pick a squad of home based players and have a look at a few of these guys.
GS has, rightly, been criticised for his seeming preference for English based players but the truth is there aren’t too many great options waiting to step up from the SPL. As a big a problem is that he seems to pick the wrong players time and again. Sticking with Hutton and Hanley for far too long, persevering with the hopeless Phillips while the impressive Ryan Fraser hasn’t really been given a run out. Sticking with Barry Bannan, a player who plays like he’s read a book about playing in midfield but never actually watched any football.
I can understand the attempts to bring continuity to an international set up and foster a “club side” mentality but it long ago went beyond that into pig ignorant stubborness.
And above all that the genetics pish should see the end of his reign. Effectively saying the job is impossible whatever he does. That’s a clear sign it’s time to give someone one a chance.
Allardyce would be fine imo would you play Shinnie ahead of Robertson or/and Tierney at left back - or ahead of Brown, Armstrong, McGinn, McGregor, etc in central midfield?
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Bobby Peru
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11 Oct 2017, 03:46 PM
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I think Shinnie is a player with a bit about him who could possibly thrive if given the opportunity at a higher level. McLean is awful and Walker is far too inconsistent at the moment.
Definitely think Shinnie should have been given more of a chance at least.
Scotland missed a trick with the likes of the friendly against Canada etc would have been a good opportunity to pick a squad of home based players and have a look at a few of these guys.
GS has, rightly, been criticised for his seeming preference for English based players but the truth is there aren’t too many great options waiting to step up from the SPL. As a big a problem is that he seems to pick the wrong players time and again. Sticking with Hutton and Hanley for far too long, persevering with the hopeless Phillips while the impressive Ryan Fraser hasn’t really been given a run out. Sticking with Barry Bannan, a player who plays like he’s read a book about playing in midfield but never actually watched any football.
I can understand the attempts to bring continuity to an international set up and foster a “club side” mentality but it long ago went beyond that into pig ignorant stubborness.
And above all that the genetics pish should see the end of his reign. Effectively saying the job is impossible whatever he does. That’s a clear sign it’s time to give someone one a chance.
Allardyce would be fine imo
would you play Shinnie ahead of Robertson or/and Tierney at left back - or ahead of Brown, Armstrong, McGinn, McGregor, etc in central midfield? No.
But Brown and Armstrong weren’t available for the last two games. McGinn I’m not sure about. McGregor is playing brilliantly just now but there was no great clamour for his inclusion earlier in the campaign.
I’d play Shinnie in front of Bannan and Darren Fletcher is done at that level.
John Fleck will get a chance before him.
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11 Oct 2017, 04:33 PM
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Guess that's true. But the footballing infrastructure including good coaching is a vital part.
It is IMO should do what France have done and set up FA run youth academies around the country Set up the prime one in either Glasgow one in Edinburgh, and one in the highlands. As an ex. It doesn't in a national sense add to greater good to have youth setup in Dunfermline, Raith, Falkirk, Livingstone, Motherwell, Hearts and Hibs - if you took the money that all those clubs put into youth football from a certain age and brought that together with perhaps some money from the Scottish FA they could produce far better players with the potential to break through at their "motherclubs" in the Edeinburgh are - the game goes for the Glasgow area - and put one in the north as well Get together the best prospects in the country and put the money on them, instead of all the clubs spending a little on their own academies Get the best coaches that looks on the player, not on how tall he is, and get them to coach them to be the best possible despite of height, weight and religion The French academies have their focus on kids age 12+ and they look for - Quote:
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Youth development[edit] Youth development at Clairefontaine incorporates many principles on football with their students, such as:
Making the player’s movements faster and better Linking movements efficiently and wisely Using the weaker foot Weaknesses in the player’s game Psychological factors (sports personality tests) Medical factors Physical tests (beep test) Technical skills Skill training (juggling the ball, running with the ball, dribbling, kicking, passing and ball control) Tactical (to help the ball carrier, to get the ball back, to offer support, to pass the ball and follow the pass, positioning and the movement into space)
France youth set up had (has) its flaws. For 10/15 years after the 98 WC that enhanced their academies, the FFF technical staff focused on kids physical capabilities, and most pro clubs academies followed. They thought the set up was so good that they could make good footballers from any athlete. Strachan would have loved. Smaller kids like Ribery, Valbuena or Griezmann were snubbed. Many of the big guys who had a chance in the set up never made a decent career and at best play in the amateur leagues or in England lower leagues. Sakho was a star in PSG academy while Lyon laughed at Griezmann application.
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11 Oct 2017, 05:24 PM
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It is IMO should do what France have done and set up FA run youth academies around the country Set up the prime one in either Glasgow one in Edinburgh, and one in the highlands. As an ex. It doesn't in a national sense add to greater good to have youth setup in Dunfermline, Raith, Falkirk, Livingstone, Motherwell, Hearts and Hibs - if you took the money that all those clubs put into youth football from a certain age and brought that together with perhaps some money from the Scottish FA they could produce far better players with the potential to break through at their "motherclubs" in the Edeinburgh are - the game goes for the Glasgow area - and put one in the north as well Get together the best prospects in the country and put the money on them, instead of all the clubs spending a little on their own academies Get the best coaches that looks on the player, not on how tall he is, and get them to coach them to be the best possible despite of height, weight and religion The French academies have their focus on kids age 12+ and they look for - Quote:
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Youth development[edit] Youth development at Clairefontaine incorporates many principles on football with their students, such as:
Making the player’s movements faster and better Linking movements efficiently and wisely Using the weaker foot Weaknesses in the player’s game Psychological factors (sports personality tests) Medical factors Physical tests (beep test) Technical skills Skill training (juggling the ball, running with the ball, dribbling, kicking, passing and ball control) Tactical (to help the ball carrier, to get the ball back, to offer support, to pass the ball and follow the pass, positioning and the movement into space)
France youth set up had (has) its flaws. For 10/15 years after the 98 WC that enhanced their academies, the FFF technical staff focused on kids physical capabilities, and most pro clubs academies followed. They thought the set up was so good that they could make good footballers from any athlete. Strachan would have loved. Smaller kids like Ribery, Valbuena or Griezmann were snubbed. Many of the big guys who had a chance in the set up never made a decent career and at best play in the amateur leagues or in England lower leagues. Sakho was a star in PSG academy while Lyon laughed at Griezmann application. We are never going to be a comparison to france and the like due to size and pedigree. The only option we have is what oneill, Coleman, lagerback/halgrimmison, oneil etc can do... have a manager the players believe in the set up are comfortable with how they as individuals play and they stick to system taught in training. Its not that tricky provided you have correct guy at helm
Just ask wales, iceland, north of Ireland, bosnia, denmark.
All countries we should be comparable to. Big guns have to luch population, clout and funding ensures we are second class
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11 Oct 2017, 05:58 PM
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Wouldn't be surprised if the SFA gave Strachan a new deal.
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11 Oct 2017, 06:06 PM
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Wouldn't be surprised if the SFA gave Strachan a new deal. Honestly mate the fact it seems HE has the decision to make sums up the full episode. He has as much chance of staying as leaving which is an entire embarrassment.
Im reading ex players say the current crop want to play for him...WTF is that meant to mesn all of his squads have had 20 games to get to a finals and were one goal away ftom 4th this time around.
Utter nonsense he has to go but i fear will stay along with regan an the rest
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11 Oct 2017, 06:09 PM
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Wouldn't be surprised if the SFA gave Strachan a new deal. Nah, tell him we are going abroad for a taller, more genetically athletic manager.
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11 Oct 2017, 06:18 PM
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Why? He's a manager with a track record of getting results with groups of players that aren't very good at football.
Exactly. Genuinely don't understand why people would be against big Sam. I'll take a stab at basic sense of morality...
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11 Oct 2017, 06:26 PM
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Exactly. Genuinely don't understand why people would be against big Sam.
I'll take a stab at basic sense of morality... Love to type should feck off etc.
He would be a great appointment.. morales etc in football sailed away a long time ago worldwide
Sam would be a great shout if we could afford him
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It is IMO should do what France have done and set up FA run youth academies around the country Set up the prime one in either Glasgow one in Edinburgh, and one in the highlands. As an ex. It doesn't in a national sense add to greater good to have youth setup in Dunfermline, Raith, Falkirk, Livingstone, Motherwell, Hearts and Hibs - if you took the money that all those clubs put into youth football from a certain age and brought that together with perhaps some money from the Scottish FA they could produce far better players with the potential to break through at their "motherclubs" in the Edeinburgh are - the game goes for the Glasgow area - and put one in the north as well Get together the best prospects in the country and put the money on them, instead of all the clubs spending a little on their own academies Get the best coaches that looks on the player, not on how tall he is, and get them to coach them to be the best possible despite of height, weight and religion The French academies have their focus on kids age 12+ and they look for - Quote:
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Youth development[edit] Youth development at Clairefontaine incorporates many principles on football with their students, such as:
Making the player’s movements faster and better Linking movements efficiently and wisely Using the weaker foot Weaknesses in the player’s game Psychological factors (sports personality tests) Medical factors Physical tests (beep test) Technical skills Skill training (juggling the ball, running with the ball, dribbling, kicking, passing and ball control) Tactical (to help the ball carrier, to get the ball back, to offer support, to pass the ball and follow the pass, positioning and the movement into space)
France youth set up had (has) its flaws. For 10/15 years after the 98 WC that enhanced their academies, the FFF technical staff focused on kids physical capabilities, and most pro clubs academies followed. They thought the set up was so good that they could make good footballers from any athlete. Strachan would have loved. Smaller kids like Ribery, Valbuena or Griezmann were snubbed. Many of the big guys who had a chance in the set up never made a decent career and at best play in the amateur leagues or in England lower leagues. Sakho was a star in PSG academy while Lyon laughed at Griezmann application. that is why I said
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11 Oct 2017, 06:45 PM
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I think Allardyce is an excellent manager.
Got reservations about his character, but as a coach and a tactician he's very good.
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