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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,338 Views)
Scotty_Bhoy_7
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eff it. Guus Hiddink.
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IainG
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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"Former England manager Sam Allardyce has refused to rule out an interest in taking over from Gordon Strachan." (various press reports).

How would that go down then?

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Scotty_Bhoy_7
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eff it. Guus Hiddink.
My thoughts too.
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SwavBhoy
10 Oct 2017, 10:14 AM
Iceland qualified after winning their group last night. Ahead of Croatia, Ukraine and Turkey. A country with half the population of Glasgow.

Good Viking genetics.
Scotland should have its fair share of Viking gens

Big difference might be that the Icelandic players are brought up on Skyr and healty fish dishes, not deep fried fish and chips
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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DKB
10 Oct 2017, 11:10 AM
SwavBhoy
10 Oct 2017, 10:14 AM
Iceland qualified after winning their group last night. Ahead of Croatia, Ukraine and Turkey. A country with half the population of Glasgow.

Good Viking genetics.
Scotland should have its fair share of Viking gens

Big difference might be that the Icelandic players are brought up on Skyr and healty fish dishes, not deep fried fish and chips
It's all to do with good coaching and having a good generation of players at this time.
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SAF? Why would he take the job?! There is absolutely nothing attractive about managing Scotland at present. It's the equivalent of managing Queen's Park; a team who were once decent and have a bit of history but are now considered lower tier by all and sundry and unlikely to ever get out of that rut.

We've made zero progress in 20 years. SAF isn't going to change that over a few years. The problem is to do with those in charge of running the game in our country - the blazers and bowling club mentality has set us back decades.

When Brian McClair was put in place as Performance Director his plan was for the youngsters to play as often as possible - "like a band, you get 10,000 hours practice in and you'll be good" or something to that extent.

That was it. That was the big plan. :ffs: :ffs:




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IainG
10 Oct 2017, 11:20 AM
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10 Oct 2017, 11:10 AM
SwavBhoy
10 Oct 2017, 10:14 AM
Iceland qualified after winning their group last night. Ahead of Croatia, Ukraine and Turkey. A country with half the population of Glasgow.

Good Viking genetics.
Scotland should have its fair share of Viking gens

Big difference might be that the Icelandic players are brought up on Skyr and healty fish dishes, not deep fried fish and chips
It's all to do with good coaching and having a good generation of players at this time.
The years of planning, coaching and the infrastructure that they've built up should mortify those blazer wearing fuds at Hampden.
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IainG
10 Oct 2017, 11:20 AM
DKB
10 Oct 2017, 11:10 AM
SwavBhoy
10 Oct 2017, 10:14 AM
Iceland qualified after winning their group last night. Ahead of Croatia, Ukraine and Turkey. A country with half the population of Glasgow.

Good Viking genetics.
Scotland should have its fair share of Viking gens

Big difference might be that the Icelandic players are brought up on Skyr and healty fish dishes, not deep fried fish and chips
It's all to do with good coaching and having a good generation of players at this time.
Perhaps the good generation of footballers comes from the good coaching!

Iceland decided that they wanted to produce good footballers, so they did. They provided facilities, coaches and resources. It is no surprise they produced good footballers.

Belgium decided that they wanted to produce good footballers, so they did. They provided a new, national, training facility, they learned the best stuff from France and the Netherlands, they changed the way that clubs, from youth up to senior, play football, they trained coaches. It is no surprise the produced good footballers.

Germany decided that they wanted to produce good footballers, so they did. They introduced youth training academies, they provided facilities, they made sure they had the appropriate coaches. It is no surprise that they produced good footballers.

Now, Scotland isn't Germany, nor Belgium, but then, Iceland isn't Scotland. What is significant about Germany, Belgium and Iceland, is that these three countries made these decisions, a number of years after Scotland decided that they wanted better footballers, and produced, The Ernie Walker ThinkTank!

So, Scotland decided the best way to get better footballers was set up a committee, and talk about it. Then they can produce a report. And better than that, they will set up a second committee, led by Henry McLeish, and produce a second report. It was 22 years ago that the Walker report was published. That is one, If not two, football generations that have went through Scottish football. And we wonder whty we cannot qualify for international tournaments!
Edited by pedrok, 10 Oct 2017, 11:49 AM.
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IainG
10 Oct 2017, 11:20 AM
DKB
10 Oct 2017, 11:10 AM
SwavBhoy
10 Oct 2017, 10:14 AM
Iceland qualified after winning their group last night. Ahead of Croatia, Ukraine and Turkey. A country with half the population of Glasgow.

Good Viking genetics.
Scotland should have its fair share of Viking gens

Big difference might be that the Icelandic players are brought up on Skyr and healty fish dishes, not deep fried fish and chips
It's all to do with good coaching and having a good generation of players at this time.
I think that you will find that being brought with a healthier lifestyle have a huge impact if you are brought up on a high protein "diet" you are more likely to develop more progressive than being feed up on deep fried food and crisps, off course good coaching have its saying but you can't come saying that Iceland have the best possible coaches doing their youth teams

Iceland don't have the most technical players - I would say that in general Scotland have more technical better players than them, they win on their desire to succeed, team spirit, willingness to run the extra mile or two and doing so on a fairly high speed (they have a extra gear due to them being brought up/grown up with a healthy food giving them a physical advantage) and a few class players

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The Scotland alternatives mentioned are all pretty rubbish if folk are being honest, or plain fanciful in Hiddink. If it wasn't for the genetic chat I'd say Scotland probably have the right man, they done okay overall and really blew it against England, I know folk are upset but they did make it exciting this time round. New blood in the playing squad is required, the Anglo replacements when Brown and Armstrong went down just weren't good enough, we see better players at Aberdeen not getting a chance which needs to change.

Martin has done an incredible job again with the Republic. He's had such a raw deal in terms of available talent in comparison to his predecessors but they are solid enough, confident and have heart. I'm not a huge fan of international football but the WC is good summer fun and having Ireland there adds interest.




Edited by Pussyfoot, 10 Oct 2017, 12:07 PM.
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Lubo67
10 Oct 2017, 10:50 AM
Scotty_Bhoy_7
10 Oct 2017, 10:27 AM
eff it. Guus Hiddink.
My thoughts too.
They'd need to break the bank. Would be worth it though.
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Pussyfoot
10 Oct 2017, 12:02 PM
The Scotland alternatives mentioned are all pretty rubbish if folk are being honest, or plain fanciful in Hiddink. If it wasn't for the genetic chat I'd say Scotland probably have the right man, they done okay overall and really blew it against England, I know folk are upset but they did make it exciting this time round. New blood in the playing squad is required, the Anglo replacements when Brown and Armstrong went down just weren't good enough, we see better players at Aberdeen not getting a chance which needs to change.

Martin has done an incredible job again with the Republic. He's had such a raw deal in terms of available talent in comparison to his predecessors but they are solid enough, confident and have heart. I'm not a huge fan of international football but the WC is good summer fun and having the Ireland there adds interest.




We don't have the right man, we have an pumpkin who doesn't pick the best team at his disposal out of sheer arrogance.

Being a national team manager is all about picking guys who are on form.

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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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DKB
10 Oct 2017, 11:46 AM
IainG
10 Oct 2017, 11:20 AM
DKB
10 Oct 2017, 11:10 AM

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It's all to do with good coaching and having a good generation of players at this time.
I think that you will find that being brought with a healthier lifestyle have a huge impact if you are brought up on a high protein "diet" you are more likely to develop more progressive than being feed up on deep fried food and crisps, off course good coaching have its saying but you can't come saying that Iceland have the best possible coaches doing their youth teams

Iceland don't have the most technical players - I would say that in general Scotland have more technical better players than them, they win on their desire to succeed, team spirit, willingness to run the extra mile or two and doing so on a fairly high speed (they have a extra gear due to them being brought up/grown up with a healthy food giving them a physical advantage) and a few class players

Guess that's true. But the footballing infrastructure including good coaching is a vital part.

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Scotty_Bhoy_7
10 Oct 2017, 12:10 PM
Pussyfoot
10 Oct 2017, 12:02 PM
The Scotland alternatives mentioned are all pretty rubbish if folk are being honest, or plain fanciful in Hiddink. If it wasn't for the genetic chat I'd say Scotland probably have the right man, they done okay overall and really blew it against England, I know folk are upset but they did make it exciting this time round. New blood in the playing squad is required, the Anglo replacements when Brown and Armstrong went down just weren't good enough, we see better players at Aberdeen not getting a chance which needs to change.

Martin has done an incredible job again with the Republic. He's had such a raw deal in terms of available talent in comparison to his predecessors but they are solid enough, confident and have heart. I'm not a huge fan of international football but the WC is good summer fun and having the Ireland there adds interest.




We don't have the right man, we have an pumpkin who doesn't pick the best team at his disposal out of sheer arrogance.

Being a national team manager is all about picking guys who are on form.

I don't get overly excited about it all but I'm not convinced any of the names mentioned will do better and not take them backward. Strachan woke up and implemented a Celtic spine which was brave, but he should have went further and stripped the dead wood out of that squad entirely. Guys picking up fortunes down South who just don't have the appetite or legs at this stage.

New manager will probably go back to the Anglo spine, how that policy has let Scotland down over the decades.

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10 Oct 2017, 12:15 PM
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10 Oct 2017, 11:46 AM
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I think that you will find that being brought with a healthier lifestyle have a huge impact if you are brought up on a high protein "diet" you are more likely to develop more progressive than being feed up on deep fried food and crisps, off course good coaching have its saying but you can't come saying that Iceland have the best possible coaches doing their youth teams

Iceland don't have the most technical players - I would say that in general Scotland have more technical better players than them, they win on their desire to succeed, team spirit, willingness to run the extra mile or two and doing so on a fairly high speed (they have a extra gear due to them being brought up/grown up with a healthy food giving them a physical advantage) and a few class players

Guess that's true. But the footballing infrastructure including good coaching is a vital part.

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It is

IMO should do what France have done and set up FA run youth academies around the country

Set up the prime one in either Glasgow one in Edinburgh, and one in the highlands.

As an ex. It doesn't in a national sense add to greater good to have youth setup in Dunfermline, Raith, Falkirk, Livingstone, Motherwell, Hearts and Hibs - if you took the money that all those clubs put into youth football from a certain age and brought that together with perhaps some money from the Scottish FA they could produce far better players with the potential to break through at their "motherclubs" in the Edeinburgh are - the game goes for the Glasgow area - and put one in the north as well

Get together the best prospects in the country and put the money on them, instead of all the clubs spending a little on their own academies
Get the best coaches that looks on the player, not on how tall he is, and get them to coach them to be the best possible despite of height, weight and religion

The French academies have their focus on kids age 12+ and they look for

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Youth development[edit]
Youth development at Clairefontaine incorporates many principles on football with their students, such as:

Making the player’s movements faster and better
Linking movements efficiently and wisely
Using the weaker foot
Weaknesses in the player’s game
Psychological factors (sports personality tests)
Medical factors
Physical tests (beep test)
Technical skills
Skill training (juggling the ball, running with the ball, dribbling, kicking, passing and ball control)
Tactical (to help the ball carrier, to get the ball back, to offer support, to pass the ball and follow the pass, positioning and the movement into space)
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Gus Hiddink with much better players failed to get the Dutch to the Euros last summer, now one failure doesn't make you a failure but to me I think his times been & gone.

South Korea is a great tale but it was 16 years ago & Australia 12 years ago.
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10 Oct 2017, 12:35 PM
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10 Oct 2017, 12:15 PM
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10 Oct 2017, 11:46 AM

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Guess that's true. But the footballing infrastructure including good coaching is a vital part.

:thumbsup:
It is

IMO should do what France have done and set up FA run youth academies around the country

Set up the prime one in either Glasgow one in Edinburgh, and one in the highlands.

As an ex. It doesn't in a national sense add to greater good to have youth setup in Dunfermline, Raith, Falkirk, Livingstone, Motherwell, Hearts and Hibs - if you took the money that all those clubs put into youth football from a certain age and brought that together with perhaps some money from the Scottish FA they could produce far better players with the potential to break through at their "motherclubs" in the Edeinburgh are - the game goes for the Glasgow area - and put one in the north as well

Get together the best prospects in the country and put the money on them, instead of all the clubs spending a little on their own academies
Get the best coaches that looks on the player, not on how tall he is, and get them to coach them to be the best possible despite of height, weight and religion

The French academies have their focus on kids age 12+ and they look for

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Youth development[edit]
Youth development at Clairefontaine incorporates many principles on football with their students, such as:

Making the player’s movements faster and better
Linking movements efficiently and wisely
Using the weaker foot
Weaknesses in the player’s game
Psychological factors (sports personality tests)
Medical factors
Physical tests (beep test)
Technical skills
Skill training (juggling the ball, running with the ball, dribbling, kicking, passing and ball control)
Tactical (to help the ball carrier, to get the ball back, to offer support, to pass the ball and follow the pass, positioning and the movement into space)
You wonder where all this is going. The pro youth system has been a complete failure up here, and is now being largely dismantled. From what I've seen over the years that's not a surprise. Improve the education the coaches first at youth level, and don't take players away from boys clubs too early but let them play and enjoy football- until they're 15, 16 you can tell with very few how good they'll be. This can easily be combined with extra SFA coaching. Looking at some of the largest youth sections in Germany, they frequently have players who only join them after the age of 15 which in some pro youth teams made you almost close to retirement.
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IainG
10 Oct 2017, 11:20 AM
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10 Oct 2017, 10:14 AM
Iceland qualified after winning their group last night. Ahead of Croatia, Ukraine and Turkey. A country with half the population of Glasgow.

Good Viking genetics.
Scotland should have its fair share of Viking gens

Big difference might be that the Icelandic players are brought up on Skyr and healty fish dishes, not deep fried fish and chips
It's all to do with good coaching and having a good generation of players at this time.
Coaching is correct but a good generation of players is a SFA answer. North of Ireland have a limited pool of players along with eire. iceland and Bosnia have played at major finals as well.

The crap we hear constantly a out lack of quality of player is rubbish. Playing to players strengths and a solid system that they feel comfortable in is THE main component to a successful side. Strachan has failed on so many levels. Bottom line is results and he has failed x 2. If he honestly gets a third chance it is utter nonsense. Go and get someone who will blood our young players and maybe cost us the next euros for the WC in Qatar with a potential new breed of player

One thing we can all agree in is his stubborness and lets be honest he will keep playing the same players. If he gets off to a bad start then knives will be out. Another wasted campaign by him.
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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10 Oct 2017, 01:17 PM
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10 Oct 2017, 11:20 AM
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It's all to do with good coaching and having a good generation of players at this time.
Coaching is correct but a good generation of players is a SFA answer. North of Ireland have a limited pool of players along with eire. iceland and Bosnia have played at major finals as well.

The crap we hear constantly a out lack of quality of player is rubbish. Playing to players strengths and a solid system that they feel comfortable in is THE main component to a successful side. Strachan has failed on so many levels. Bottom line is results and he has failed x 2. If he honestly gets a third chance it is utter nonsense. Go and get someone who will blood our young players and maybe cost us the next euros for the WC in Qatar with a potential new breed of player

One thing we can all agree in is his stubborness and lets be honest he will keep playing the same players. If he gets off to a bad start then knives will be out. Another wasted campaign by him.
Yeah i accept all that but there is no doubt the level of player available to Scotland in the 80's for indstance is far far superior to the present day. So, having a good generation of players available is certainly part of it.
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If Strachan goes he needs to take the SFA with him, they're responsible for decades of mismanagement of the football in this country and the managers they've appointed to lead us.

The country needs a change from top to bottom, an administration that are positive about the work being done at every level from the youths up, an administration that are prepared to do what's best for Scottish football (summer football) and not 'we're all daft boozers that love a chippy with pish genes' as if its 11 Rab C Nesbitts lining up every national game. There is so much that can be done but we don't have the people in charge willing to do it. Get them all to feck.
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