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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,350 Views)
Mubo Loravcik
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28 Sep 2017, 08:16 PM
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28 Sep 2017, 07:49 PM
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28 Sep 2017, 04:47 PM
Felt Ancellotti was a strange choice for Bayern. He's a funny type of manager. Some incredible achievements but there's a but there somewhere
I think in recent years there has been a sort of 'golden circle' of managers who tend to get the jobs at the really big (i.e. wealthy) clubs. Guardiola and mourinho are in there and given their success that is understandable however guys like benitez and ancellotti also get some big jobs and it is harder to justify that. It seems in some cases the main Criteria seems to have been whether or not they have managed other big clubs before, with less regard for how well they actually did in those clubs.
Is he not the only manager to have won 3 European cups?
and Bob Paisley.
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28 Sep 2017, 07:21 PM
The boaby sooking of 'Pep' and the like on here is effing embarrassing :ffs:
Guardiola is an overrated bawsack. Carrot looks like he's just climbed out of the pages of a Matalan catalogue n'aw.
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28 Sep 2017, 07:21 PM
The boaby sooking of 'Pep' and the like on here is effing embarrassing :ffs:
Guardiola is an overrated bawsack. Carrot looks like he's just climbed out of the pages of a Matalan catalogue n'aw.
Overrated?

Guys only won 2 champions leagues, numerous domestic titles and created one of the greatest sides ever.

Yep overrated.
Edited by puroresu_boy, 28 Sep 2017, 08:28 PM.
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28 Sep 2017, 07:21 PM
The boaby sooking of 'Pep' and the like on here is effing embarrassing :ffs:
Guardiola is an overrated bawsack. Carrot looks like he's just climbed out of the pages of a Matalan catalogue n'aw.
Overrated?

Guys only won 2 champions leagues, numerous domestic titles and created one of the greatest sides ever.

Yep overrated.
All while having the greatest players in the world and spending almost one billion pounds in the process. No way is he going to an unfancied side like a Benfica and doing anything with them imo.

Watch him pull off a managerial masterclass in January and buy Messi.
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28 Sep 2017, 04:47 PM
Felt Ancellotti was a strange choice for Bayern. He's a funny type of manager. Some incredible achievements but there's a but there somewhere
I think in recent years there has been a sort of 'golden circle' of managers who tend to get the jobs at the really big (i.e. wealthy) clubs. Guardiola and mourinho are in there and given their success that is understandable however guys like benitez and ancellotti also get some big jobs and it is harder to justify that. It seems in some cases the main Criteria seems to have been whether or not they have managed other big clubs before, with less regard for how well they actually did in those clubs.
Hard to justify Ancelotti getting big jobs when he's won the Champions League three times? Can anyone even remember the last time an Ancelotti team didn't win their domestic league? Winning the double with Chelsea in his first season in England was also pretty remarkable. I suspect he might go back to Milan once their Chinese owners realise you need a top manager to win major trophies, regardless of how much cash they throw around.
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28 Sep 2017, 08:24 PM

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Overrated?

Guys only won 2 champions leagues, numerous domestic titles and created one of the greatest sides ever.

Yep overrated.
All while having the greatest players in the world and spending almost one billion pounds in the process. No way is he going to an unfancied side like a Benfica and doing anything with them imo.

Watch him pull off a managerial masterclass in January and buy Messi.
Well unfortunately when you succeed the biggest and best want you.

After Barcelona he could of went anywhere but no forget Bayern instead go to Everton. That was never going to happen. His career is simply following the same trajectory as every other top Manager who have been successful. They go from top club to top club. The difference is he started at Barcelona who finished 20+ points behind Madrid the year before and from what I remember people said barca were taking a risk giving him the job.

Nobody was predicting a treble.
Edited by puroresu_boy, 28 Sep 2017, 08:44 PM.
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28 Sep 2017, 07:49 PM
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28 Sep 2017, 04:47 PM
Felt Ancellotti was a strange choice for Bayern. He's a funny type of manager. Some incredible achievements but there's a but there somewhere
I think in recent years there has been a sort of 'golden circle' of managers who tend to get the jobs at the really big (i.e. wealthy) clubs. Guardiola and mourinho are in there and given their success that is understandable however guys like benitez and ancellotti also get some big jobs and it is harder to justify that. It seems in some cases the main Criteria seems to have been whether or not they have managed other big clubs before, with less regard for how well they actually did in those clubs.
Hard to justify Ancelotti getting big jobs when he's won the Champions League three times? Can anyone even remember the last time an Ancelotti team didn't win their domestic league? Winning the double with Chelsea in his first season in England was also pretty remarkable. I suspect he might go back to Milan once their Chinese owners realise you need a top manager to win major trophies, regardless of how much cash they throw around.
Real Madrid never won the title under Ancelotti
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28 Sep 2017, 08:24 PM

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Overrated?

Guys only won 2 champions leagues, numerous domestic titles and created one of the greatest sides ever.

Yep overrated.
All while having the greatest players in the world and spending almost one billion pounds in the process. No way is he going to an unfancied side like a Benfica and doing anything with them imo.

Watch him pull off a managerial masterclass in January and buy Messi.
I wonder how he'd get on at Cowdenbeath, or Dumbarton, & etc...

I'm not saying it's easy to manage a club that has vast riches (vast debts, more like), but I reckon it's a hell of a lot easier to win things than with a 'poor' club.

Conversely, someone like The Blessed St Martin proved his managerial ability at 'lesser' clubs before moving up.

As did Sir Awex.
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28 Sep 2017, 07:49 PM
Hagi Bhoy
28 Sep 2017, 04:47 PM
Felt Ancellotti was a strange choice for Bayern. He's a funny type of manager. Some incredible achievements but there's a but there somewhere
I think in recent years there has been a sort of 'golden circle' of managers who tend to get the jobs at the really big (i.e. wealthy) clubs. Guardiola and mourinho are in there and given their success that is understandable however guys like benitez and ancellotti also get some big jobs and it is harder to justify that. It seems in some cases the main Criteria seems to have been whether or not they have managed other big clubs before, with less regard for how well they actually did in those clubs.
Is he not the only manager to have won 3 European cups?
No, he is the only living manager to have won it 3 times.

Bob Paisley won it in 1977, 1978 & 1981, yet no one speaks of him like they have Shankly, Busby, Clough, Revie.

You add all of their European Cup wins together & it's still not more than Paisleys, history has sadly forgotten him.
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28 Sep 2017, 07:49 PM
Hagi Bhoy
28 Sep 2017, 04:47 PM
Felt Ancellotti was a strange choice for Bayern. He's a funny type of manager. Some incredible achievements but there's a but there somewhere
I think in recent years there has been a sort of 'golden circle' of managers who tend to get the jobs at the really big (i.e. wealthy) clubs. Guardiola and mourinho are in there and given their success that is understandable however guys like benitez and ancellotti also get some big jobs and it is harder to justify that. It seems in some cases the main Criteria seems to have been whether or not they have managed other big clubs before, with less regard for how well they actually did in those clubs.
Hard to justify Ancelotti getting big jobs when he's won the Champions League three times? Can anyone even remember the last time an Ancelotti team didn't win their domestic league? Winning the double with Chelsea in his first season in England was also pretty remarkable. I suspect he might go back to Milan once their Chinese owners realise you need a top manager to win major trophies, regardless of how much cash they throw around.
He had the best team in Europe at Milan & won the league once in 8 years. That's a terrible return, also didn't win La Liga with 2 goes at it with Real Madrid.

Failed to win the league with Juve when he inherited the best team in Italy that dominated the 2nd half of the 90s.

Anyone who says it was easy to do what Pep did at Barcelona might want to look at the 2007/2008 La Liga table. Inherited the best team in the world, they weren't even the 2nd best team in Spain.
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If Pep failed at Bayern, despite winning 3 out of 3 leagues, 2 out of 3 German cups, as well as the European Super cup and the Club World Cup, and having improved most of the players there (as per their own words), then every manager alive is a failure. What would be the point in any manager then? Rodgers is "only winning in Scotland", right?

It's nonsense logic from armchair general types.
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28 Sep 2017, 09:32 PM
If Pep failed at Bayern, despite winning 3 out of 3 leagues, 2 out of 3 German cups, as well as the European Super cup and the Club World Cup, and having improved most of the players there (as per their own words), then every manager alive is a failure. What would be the point in any manager then? Rodgers is "only winning in Scotland", right?

It's nonsense logic from armchair general types.
Nobody genuinely thinks he is or has been a failure, that he isn't a great manager or that his achievements are diluted because he didn't earn his boots at Albion Rovers.

We just think he's a wee arsehole.
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Pep wasn't hired and made the highest paid coach in the world to win the Bundesliga. That seems obvious enough to me.
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I think maybe Ancelotti replacing Heynckes would of been easier. He could of kept that machine running and Guardiola as the guy to rebuild the side would be better equipped.

Just don't think ancelotti is the guy to rebuild a squad.

Whoever is next @ Bayern needs to really look at pushing Ribery and Robben to the exit door.
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28 Sep 2017, 07:21 PM
The boaby sooking of 'Pep' and the like on here is effing embarrassing :ffs:
Guardiola is an overrated bawsack. Carrot looks like he's just climbed out of the pages of a Matalan catalogue n'aw.
Overrated?

Guys only won 2 champions leagues, numerous domestic titles and created one of the greatest sides ever.

Yep overrated.
he was brought in to win CL
failed
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28 Sep 2017, 07:50 PM
Who's the five players?

Hummels, Boateng, Muller, Robben, Ribery.

https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/913453444261990400
Boateng has some cheek. One of the worst defenders I've seen at an elite club. Maybe the worst after Woodgate.
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28 Sep 2017, 11:54 PM
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Who's the five players?

Hummels, Boateng, Muller, Robben, Ribery.

https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/913453444261990400
Boateng has some cheek. One of the worst defenders I've seen at an elite club. Maybe the worst after Woodgate.
Roque Junior surely?
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Willy Sagnol to take charge until the end season. They might have a few managers to choose from by then.

I think they need a clearout. It's quite an old side they have. Most of their first choice players are in or approaching their thirties.
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All while having the greatest players in the world and spending almost one billion pounds in the process. No way is he going to an unfancied side like a Benfica and doing anything with them imo.

Watch him pull off a managerial masterclass in January and buy Messi.
Well unfortunately when you succeed the biggest and best want you.

After Barcelona he could of went anywhere but no forget Bayern instead go to Everton. That was never going to happen. His career is simply following the same trajectory as every other top Manager who have been successful. They go from top club to top club. The difference is he started at Barcelona who finished 20+ points behind Madrid the year before and from what I remember people said barca were taking a risk giving him the job.

Nobody was predicting a treble.
could have
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Say what you like about Pep but any man who can look that good in lederhosen deserves some praise.
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