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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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3 Jun 2016, 07:32 PM
Koeman is gonna get a big shock when he finds out his 'warchest' of £100m is being funded by the sales of Stones and Lukaku. Diddy - only enhancing his own wages at Everton. Good to see that after all their posturing about "Mourinho and Pellegrini la" that Everton are getting a decent but by no means box office manager.
I'd take Koeman over Pellegrini every day of the week. Southampton only finished three points behind Man City last season despite the enormous financial gulf between the clubs. And they finished well above Mourinho/Hiddink's Chelsea.
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its a funny one that, I know its only Hibs but I see it as a step down for Stubbs and would be betting on him not lasting the year there and Rotherham heading for Div 1.
Yeah, I get that England is a bigger opportunity and it's probably handy for family reasons, but Rotherham?

Ok, Leicester and that, but Rotherham is the definition of a dead-end gig. He must've fallen out with Petrie.
I don't think Hibs were that gutted.

Finishing 3rd in the Championship was not a good performance. They were ten minutes from having an absolutely terrible season.

Scottish Cup win changes perspectives but I think Stubbs might be found out. Nice guy, good player and I wish him the best but don't think he's really a manager.
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4 Jun 2016, 05:03 AM
Lennon is not making good choices in my view. I agree with others that when he quit Celtic he thought his stock was a lot higher than it was in other people's eyes.

I think even if he goes to Hibs and does well it would carry much kudos outside Scotland. To advance his career more he might have looked at a lower league English team which might turn it to be a stepping stone to better things. I suppose abroad is an option but that brings a whole other set of variables with it. Tough times.
You might think that, but it's quite flawed logic to a large extent.

Port Vale are looking for a manager. A League One club who should really have ambitions of being in the Championship. They are an absolute basket case. Crumbling, three quarters empty ground, an owner who simply just doesn't get football and has no smarts at all, a dispirited support. This is a club sat in the middle of a 400,000 strong urban area where the only other major team is Stoke and they are going nowhere.

There are a lot of complete deadwood clubs down here, riding along on the coat tails. It is not always everything to get a gig in the Football League. A 46 game season in the third tier can be a dire slog.

Hibs could easily be a top four club in Scotland. There's a challenge in that. The set up is good, they seem to have their house in order with Dempster. There's European football, however briefly, and Edinburgh is a pretty decent place to live.

Hibs will always have a bit of pull for candidates considered a bit out of the ordinary.
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4 Jun 2016, 05:03 AM
Lennon is not making good choices in my view. I agree with others that when he quit Celtic he thought his stock was a lot higher than it was in other people's eyes.

I think even if he goes to Hibs and does well it would carry much kudos outside Scotland. To advance his career more he might have looked at a lower league English team which might turn it to be a stepping stone to better things. I suppose abroad is an option but that brings a whole other set of variables with it. Tough times.
You might think that, but it's quite flawed logic to a large extent.

Port Vale are looking for a manager. A League One club who should really have ambitions of being in the Championship. They are an absolute basket case. Crumbling, three quarters empty ground, an owner who simply just doesn't get football and has no smarts at all, a dispirited support. This is a club sat in the middle of a 400,000 strong urban area where the only other major team is Stoke and they are going nowhere.

There are a lot of complete deadwood clubs down here, riding along on the coat tails. It is not always everything to get a gig in the Football League. A 46 game season in the third tier can be a dire slog.

Hibs could easily be a top four club in Scotland. There's a challenge in that. The set up is good, they seem to have their house in order with Dempster. There's European football, however briefly, and Edinburgh is a pretty decent place to live.

Hibs will always have a bit of pull for candidates considered a bit out of the ordinary.
All well and good. We're talking about a guy - who like his style or not - could be about to be taking Hibs ( I really don't agree with your assertion about them being a top four side in Scotland btw) to play Ayr on a Saturday afternoon , when 4 years earlier he was beating Barcelona or 3 years ago was in the last 16 of the CL.

It's a massive fall from Grace . Triggered by a tinge of arrogance that he thought he could do better than Celtic. Despite many people seeing the limits of his abilities.

It's a complete clustereff from him. He's either got idiots advising him or he's an idiot.
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4 Jun 2016, 11:28 AM
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4 Jun 2016, 05:03 AM
Lennon is not making good choices in my view. I agree with others that when he quit Celtic he thought his stock was a lot higher than it was in other people's eyes.

I think even if he goes to Hibs and does well it would carry much kudos outside Scotland. To advance his career more he might have looked at a lower league English team which might turn it to be a stepping stone to better things. I suppose abroad is an option but that brings a whole other set of variables with it. Tough times.
You might think that, but it's quite flawed logic to a large extent.

Port Vale are looking for a manager. A League One club who should really have ambitions of being in the Championship. They are an absolute basket case. Crumbling, three quarters empty ground, an owner who simply just doesn't get football and has no smarts at all, a dispirited support. This is a club sat in the middle of a 400,000 strong urban area where the only other major team is Stoke and they are going nowhere.

There are a lot of complete deadwood clubs down here, riding along on the coat tails. It is not always everything to get a gig in the Football League. A 46 game season in the third tier can be a dire slog.

Hibs could easily be a top four club in Scotland. There's a challenge in that. The set up is good, they seem to have their house in order with Dempster. There's European football, however briefly, and Edinburgh is a pretty decent place to live.

Hibs will always have a bit of pull for candidates considered a bit out of the ordinary.
All well and good. We're talking about a guy - who like his style or not - could be about to be taking Hibs ( I really don't agree with your assertion about them being a top four side in Scotland btw) to play Ayr on a Saturday afternoon , when 4 years earlier he was beating Barcelona or 3 years ago was in the last 16 of the CL.

It's a massive fall from Grace . Triggered by a tinge of arrogance that he thought he could do better than Celtic. Despite many people seeing the limits of his abilities.

It's a complete clustereff from him. He's either got idiots advising him or he's an idiot.
I think Lennon's departure from Celtic was a tad more complicated than he could do better than Celtic.
My understanding is that there were other issues at play as well.
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Lennon's a good manager and will get Hibs up I think - depending on what happens to his squad.

He's not got people bartering down his door but it's a good club, he know Scottish football and he's back where his home is. Good luck to him.

Stubbs will very likely never be heard of again in a managerial capacity.
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4 Jun 2016, 01:10 PM
Lennon's a good manager and will get Hibs up I think - depending on what happens to his squad.

He's not got people bartering down his door but it's a good club, he know Scottish football and he's back where his home is. Good luck to him.

Stubbs will very likely never be heard of again in a managerial capacity.
Stubbs was very highly thought of at Everton as a coach.
I was surprised at his lack of success at Hibs, especially as they were pure bottlers under him. Still I expect him to come good, even if Rotherham is a pretty modest club he picked to relaunch his career in England.
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My understanding is that there were other issues at play as well.[/quote

Yep, one of the other issues being that leaving wasn't his choice.
Edited by zebedee, 4 Jun 2016, 01:20 PM.
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I was checking out the Hibees Bounce forum to see what they they were saying about the possibility of Lenny joining them. The consensus seemed to be that they still can't stand the guy but would be happy to take him as he will probably get them promotion And some think "we could do with a wee streak of nastiness". :lol:
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All well and good. We're talking about a guy - who like his style or not - could be about to be taking Hibs ( I really don't agree with your assertion about them being a top four side in Scotland btw) to play Ayr on a Saturday afternoon , when 4 years earlier he was beating Barcelona or 3 years ago was in the last 16 of the CL.

It's a massive fall from Grace . Triggered by a tinge of arrogance that he thought he could do better than Celtic. Despite many people seeing the limits of his abilities.

It's a complete clustereff from him. He's either got idiots advising him or he's an idiot.
I think Lennon's departure from Celtic was a tad more complicated than he could do better than Celtic.
My understanding is that there were other issues at play as well.
Neil Lennon left Celtic because he saw exactly the way we were going and in the end he was correct, the board had made the decision to try and scrape by using the minimum amount of money it could live with spending while still just enough to keep the league championship in their grasp. He seen it coming and got out . and hence no trebles during the period since.
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4 Jun 2016, 01:21 PM
I was checking out the Hibees Bounce forum to see what they they were saying about the possibility of Lenny joining them. The consensus seemed to be that they still can't stand the guy but would be happy to take him as he will probably get them promotion And some think "we could do with a wee streak of nastiness". :lol:
The Hibees I know all want him. They reckon he could be just what they need.
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I think Lennon's departure from Celtic was a tad more complicated than he could do better than Celtic.
My understanding is that there were other issues at play as well.
Neil Lennon left Celtic because he saw exactly the way we were going and in the end he was correct, the board had made the decision to try and scrape by using the minimum amount of money it could live with spending while still just enough to keep the league championship in their grasp. He seen it coming and got out . and hence no trebles during the period since.
Bang on

However there hasn't been a treble since 2001
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4 Jun 2016, 05:03 AM
Lennon is not making good choices in my view. I agree with others that when he quit Celtic he thought his stock was a lot higher than it was in other people's eyes.

I think even if he goes to Hibs and does well it would carry much kudos outside Scotland. To advance his career more he might have looked at a lower league English team which might turn it to be a stepping stone to better things. I suppose abroad is an option but that brings a whole other set of variables with it. Tough times.
You might think that, but it's quite flawed logic to a large extent.

Port Vale are looking for a manager. A League One club who should really have ambitions of being in the Championship. They are an absolute basket case. Crumbling, three quarters empty ground, an owner who simply just doesn't get football and has no smarts at all, a dispirited support. This is a club sat in the middle of a 400,000 strong urban area where the only other major team is Stoke and they are going nowhere.

There are a lot of complete deadwood clubs down here, riding along on the coat tails. It is not always everything to get a gig in the Football League. A 46 game season in the third tier can be a dire slog.

Hibs could easily be a top four club in Scotland. There's a challenge in that. The set up is good, they seem to have their house in order with Dempster. There's European football, however briefly, and Edinburgh is a pretty decent place to live.

Hibs will always have a bit of pull for candidates considered a bit out of the ordinary.
All well and good. We're talking about a guy - who like his style or not - could be about to be taking Hibs ( I really don't agree with your assertion about them being a top four side in Scotland btw) to play Ayr on a Saturday afternoon , when 4 years earlier he was beating Barcelona or 3 years ago was in the last 16 of the CL.

It's a massive fall from Grace . Triggered by a tinge of arrogance that he thought he could do better than Celtic. Despite many people seeing the limits of his abilities.

It's a complete clustereff from him. He's either got idiots advising him or he's an idiot.
I never mentioned Lennon's name.

I'm challenging this notion that virtually regardless of club, the English leagues represent some sort of pinnacle or, at the very least, solid career path. They don't. They're littered with dead end football clubs in some cases rusting more badly than the communities they reside in.

Stubbs is likely to find that out, for starters.

I am curious though as to why an increasing amount of people seem willing to talk down the game our club are tied to though. I do find that a bit strange.

There's absolutely no reason to suggest that Hibs are incapable of being every bit the equal of Aberdeen. Better city, better location, better stadium. The fact is, they've just won a trophy the Sheep have not won in fully 26 years.

Taking Hibs up as Champions and planting them firmly in the top 4 or 5 in two seasons is both realistic and a decent achievement. I never said it would be anything more than that. But it's a start. And it's better than becoming the next Andy Walker or Chris Sutton.
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My understanding is that there were other issues at play as well.[/quote

Yep, one of the other issues being that leaving wasn't his choice.

Did anybody bite any of the other times you posted that ?

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Neil Lennon left Celtic because he saw exactly the way we were going and in the end he was correct, the board had made the decision to try and scrape by using the minimum amount of money it could live with spending while still just enough to keep the league championship in their grasp. He seen it coming and got out . and hence no trebles during the period since.
Bang on

However there hasn't been a treble since 2001
Your right of course, but what I meant was that it was during the period when there was no challenge from the manky mob.
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All well and good. We're talking about a guy - who like his style or not - could be about to be taking Hibs ( I really don't agree with your assertion about them being a top four side in Scotland btw) to play Ayr on a Saturday afternoon , when 4 years earlier he was beating Barcelona or 3 years ago was in the last 16 of the CL.

It's a massive fall from Grace . Triggered by a tinge of arrogance that he thought he could do better than Celtic. Despite many people seeing the limits of his abilities.

It's a complete clustereff from him. He's either got idiots advising him or he's an idiot.
I think Lennon's departure from Celtic was a tad more complicated than he could do better than Celtic.
My understanding is that there were other issues at play as well.
He probably should have just learned to live with them.
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4 Jun 2016, 01:21 PM
I was checking out the Hibees Bounce forum to see what they they were saying about the possibility of Lenny joining them. The consensus seemed to be that they still can't stand the guy but would be happy to take him as he will probably get them promotion And some think "we could do with a wee streak of nastiness". :lol:
The Hibees I know all want him. They reckon he could be just what they need.
He's exactly what they need. Hibs are cowardly as mice. They need someone who will actually get them putting in a shift and stop feeling sorry for themselves all the time.

The Scottish Cup win was great but to fail two years in a row in the play offs for a club that size is pathetic.
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I'm surprised if Koeman is taking the Everton job, surely going to sell Stones & probably Barkley...one thing having pots of cash but still need to find real quality players to replace them.

On Lennon & trebles...I didn't consider Rangers a real challenger - they were always going under - we failed to win trebles due to OUR
own stupidity & some bad decisions (Which should have spurred us onto to greater effort) so it all comes down to bad management of resources. Hope he does well at Hibs, but Stubbs set a high standard with help of Henderson, Stokes which I think he will find difficult to match far less better. If he fails at Easter Road then he can only hope for a lowly placed English side to come calling.
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If Koeman takes the job and sells Stones and buys Van Dijk, he will get a better player and have money in the bank.
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Lenny's on Pointless :lol:
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