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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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I was replying to the post I quoted. :thumbsup:

What's "hardly the debate"?
If he's an "arch hun" that sets up his team to get beaten when they play the huns. People are not just referencing that he played for and supported the huns. That he is a hun is a fact. But the lying down to them and desperate to be their manager is made up pish.
Yeah, so we're agreed that he is a hun.

None of the other stuff was mentioned in the post to which I responded, so I'm still not sure what the issue was with my post. :ponder:
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To deflect from the McInness/Hun chat a bit... Billy Stark is the new East Kilbride manager :rubeyes:
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Calderwood. Now he's an "arch hun".
Wasn't Calderwood manager of Aberdeen the time they beat Oldco on the last day of the season to help us win the title? I'm sure he was yet his name also crops up routinely when folk talk of managers lying down to them.
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To deflect from the McInness/Hun chat a bit... Billy Stark is the new East Kilbride manager :rubeyes:
That's good news in a roundabout way
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Calderwood. Now he's an "arch hun".
Wasn't Calderwood manager of Aberdeen the time they beat Oldco on the last day of the season to help us win the title? I'm sure he was yet his name also crops up routinely when folk talk of managers lying down to them.
Did I dream this or did the sheep fans not sing "Jimmy, Jimmy what's the score during that game"?
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To deflect from the McInness/Hun chat a bit... Billy Stark is the new East Kilbride manager :rubeyes:
That's good news in a roundabout way
:lol:
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To deflect from the McInness/Hun chat a bit... Billy Stark is the new East Kilbride manager :rubeyes:
That's good news in a roundabout way
:lol:
EDIT - I can see 7 of them from my house. :lol:
Edited by CMC88, 16 Jun 2017, 07:31 PM.
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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Calderwood. Now he's an "arch hun".
Wasn't Calderwood manager of Aberdeen the time they beat Oldco on the last day of the season to help us win the title? I'm sure he was yet his name also crops up routinely when folk talk of managers lying down to them.
He was indeed and I thought about that prior to posting. Perhaps his players disobeyed him.
;)

TEG was right!
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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In all seriousness I'm not sure what measures a manager could take to put a "lying down" into effect. Bad tactics,picking a weakened side,demotivating? It would have to be something less than blatant. I'm sure professional players would not actively lie down.
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In all seriousness I'm not sure what measures a manager could take to put a "lying down" into effect. Bad tactics,picking a weakened side,demotivating? It would have to be something less than blatant. I'm sure professional players would not actively lie down.
Exactly. If a manager picked a severely weakened team it would be obvious. And if he told his players to lie down, all it would take is one player to break ranks and tell the press and the whole thing would blow up.
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Wasn't Calderwood manager of Aberdeen the time they beat Oldco on the last day of the season to help us win the title? I'm sure he was yet his name also crops up routinely when folk talk of managers lying down to them.
He was indeed and I thought about that prior to posting. Perhaps his players disobeyed him.
;)

TEG was right!
He was, however as we beat Dundee Utd the hun result was not relevant.

He was also the manager when Dunfermline rolled up at Ibrox back in 2003.

Calderwood used to drink in my local back then, I got to know him fairly well.
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Wasn't Calderwood manager of Aberdeen the time they beat Oldco on the last day of the season to help us win the title? I'm sure he was yet his name also crops up routinely when folk talk of managers lying down to them.
Did I dream this or did the sheep fans not sing "Jimmy, Jimmy what's the score during that game"?
Yep. Even his own team's fans knew exactly what he was.
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He was indeed and I thought about that prior to posting. Perhaps his players disobeyed him.
;)

TEG was right!
He was, however as we beat Dundee Utd the hun result was not relevant.

He was also the manager when Dunfermline rolled up at Ibrox back in 2003.

Calderwood used to drink in my local back then, I got to know him fairly well.
It would have been relevant if the score was 5-0 or better as it would have come down to goal difference.
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16 Jun 2017, 07:50 PM
In all seriousness I'm not sure what measures a manager could take to put a "lying down" into effect. Bad tactics,picking a weakened side,demotivating? It would have to be something less than blatant. I'm sure professional players would not actively lie down.
It's more the vibe the manager gives off to his players that is likely to impact the performance. More of a, "Go out there and enjoy yourselves, boys!" encouragement, rather than a "must win" attitude. Calderwood himself said he was just there to enjoy the occasion that day at Ibrox, and made some comment about his father killing him if his side upset Rangers that day.

Compare and contrast that with Jim Jeffries' Kilmarnock side that day. Even when we were gubbing them, and they were totally out of the game - they were time-wasting and putting the ball out of the stadium for no apparent reason. Martin O'Neill's comments on how bizarre this way, were brilliant.
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To deflect from the McInness/Hun chat a bit... Billy Stark is the new East Kilbride manager :rubeyes:
That's good news in a roundabout way
:lol: very good
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To deflect from the McInness/Hun chat a bit... Billy Stark is the new East Kilbride manager :rubeyes:
That's good news in a roundabout way
Brilliant :lol:
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In all seriousness I'm not sure what measures a manager could take to put a "lying down" into effect. Bad tactics,picking a weakened side,demotivating? It would have to be something less than blatant. I'm sure professional players would not actively lie down.
It's more the vibe the manager gives off to his players that is likely to impact the performance. More of a, "Go out there and enjoy yourselves, boys!" encouragement, rather than a "must win" attitude. Calderwood himself said he was just there to enjoy the occasion that day at Ibrox, and made some comment about his father killing him if his side upset Rangers that day.

Compare and contrast that with Jim Jeffries' Kilmarnock side that day. Even when we were gubbing them, and they were totally out of the game - they were time-wasting and putting the ball out of the stadium for no apparent reason. Martin O'Neill's comments on how bizarre this way, were brilliant.
Gordon feckin' Marshall.
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16 Jun 2017, 07:50 PM
In all seriousness I'm not sure what measures a manager could take to put a "lying down" into effect. Bad tactics,picking a weakened side,demotivating? It would have to be something less than blatant. I'm sure professional players would not actively lie down.
Exactly. If a manager picked a severely weakened team it would be obvious. And if he told his players to lie down, all it would take is one player to break ranks and tell the press and the whole thing would blow up.
A late friend of mine was good pals with Jimmy Nichol. As the season neared its end and the race got tighter, Nichol had no qualms about telling my mate: "If Rangers need goals, they'll get goals." He wasn't kidding and he said it several times. On the last day of the season, my mhate told me Dunfermline would ship six and we'd have to score six at Kilmarnock. Sadly, be was right.

TBF, Craig Brewster equalised at Ibrox and the game was tight until it became clear that we were hammering Kilmarnock. It was then that Dunfermline got out their spades and pails. :nono:
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16 Jun 2017, 07:50 PM
In all seriousness I'm not sure what measures a manager could take to put a "lying down" into effect. Bad tactics,picking a weakened side,demotivating? It would have to be something less than blatant. I'm sure professional players would not actively lie down.
Exactly. If a manager picked a severely weakened team it would be obvious. And if he told his players to lie down, all it would take is one player to break ranks and tell the press and the whole thing would blow up.
A late friend of mine was good pals with Jimmy Nichol. As the season neared its end and the race got tighter, Nichol had no qualms about telling my mate: "If Rangers need goals, they'll get goals." He wasn't kidding and he said it several times. On the last day of the season, my mhate told me Dunfermline would ship six and we'd have to score six at Kilmarnock. Sadly, be was right.

TBF, Craig Brewster equalised at Ibrox and the game was tight until it became clear that we were hammering Kilmarnock. It was then that Dunfermline got out their spades and pails. :nono:
How does that manifest itself in practice though? For Dunfermline to deliberately "ship six" would require eleven players (plus substitutes) to collude to concede six goals. I just don't see how that kind of thing would be practical.
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A late friend of mine was good pals with Jimmy Nichol. As the season neared its end and the race got tighter, Nichol had no qualms about telling my mate: "If Rangers need goals, they'll get goals." He wasn't kidding and he said it several times. On the last day of the season, my mhate told me Dunfermline would ship six and we'd have to score six at Kilmarnock. Sadly, be was right.

TBF, Craig Brewster equalised at Ibrox and the game was tight until it became clear that we were hammering Kilmarnock. It was then that Dunfermline got out their spades and pails. :nono:
How does that manifest itself in practice though? For Dunfermline to deliberately "ship six" would require eleven players (plus substitutes) to collude to concede six goals. I just don't see how that kind of thing would be practical.
He stuck about four players up front for a start.
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