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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,404 Views)
murphio
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Can we not just accept he was pish and move on? This is the kind of 'Paul le Guen was too good for Scottish football' argument that does my nut in. Deila was weak, he was tactically poor, his raising of fitness levels was a complete myth, his results in crunch games was abysmal, his didn't have the respect of his players and his football was utterly dire to watch for the most part. But apart from all that he was great.
The Roar was good for a bit.
I found it annoying.
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13 Jun 2017, 06:02 PM

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He would work wonders at a team that would afford him time. Aberdeen would actually be a great move for him.
He had two years at Celtic. We were a worse team when he left than when he arrived.

I'd be delighted if he got the Aberdeen job.
I wouldn't.

I want the sheep cemented intae second tap
Edited by georgiesleftpeg, 13 Jun 2017, 07:59 PM.
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At some point with us he panicked and abandoned his philosophies. Started playing Commons due to pressure from the media and fans is an example of this. Aberdeen would allow him the time you just don't get here
Can we not just accept he was pish and move on? This is the kind of 'Paul le Guen was too good for Scottish football' argument that does my nut in. Deila was weak, he was tactically poor, his raising of fitness levels was a complete myth, his results in crunch games was abysmal, his didn't have the respect of his players and his football was utterly dire to watch for the most part. But apart from all that he was great.
2 leagues, a league cup and European football beyond December in his first season, isn't pish. But against any team that was up for it meant that for example we would have lost against Astana and Be'er Sheva if he had still be in charge. During the last 6 months, something was clearly wrong, he had to go but he was hardly Paul Le Guen. What Brendan inherited was far more to work with than what Smith had when he took over from the Frenchman.
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He had two years at Celtic. We were a worse team when he left than when he arrived.

I'd be delighted if he got the Aberdeen job.
At some point with us he panicked and abandoned his philosophies. Started playing Commons due to pressure from the media and fans is an example of this. Aberdeen would allow him the time you just don't get here
Delia was manager for two years, which is more than enough time to create some kind of noticeable improvement in the team. Yet, despite a brief run of good form in the second half of 2014/15 season, the team he left behind looked just as hopelessly disorganized as the one that got turned over in Murrayfield. The Malmo, Molde and Hun results exemplify the complete lack of progress Delia actually made. People get things wrong and mistakes happen, but if the same mistakes keep happening again and again the problem is the man making them.

It hasn't taken the incumbent 2+ years to get massive improvements out of what is largely the same group of players.
Edited by Jimmy_Quinn's_Hattrick, 13 Jun 2017, 08:14 PM.
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Can we not just accept he was pish and move on? This is the kind of 'Paul le Guen was too good for Scottish football' argument that does my nut in. Deila was weak, he was tactically poor, his raising of fitness levels was a complete myth, his results in crunch games was abysmal, his didn't have the respect of his players and his football was utterly dire to watch for the most part. But apart from all that he was great.
2 leagues, a league cup and European football beyond December in his first season, isn't pish. But against any team that was up for it meant that for example we would have lost against Astana and Be'er Sheva if he had still be in charge. During the last 6 months, something was clearly wrong, he had to go but he was hardly Paul Le Guen. What Brendan inherited was far more to work with than what Smith had when he took over from the Frenchman.
Any manager in the SPL would likely have achieved as much as Deila did with the same squad. He was pish.
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2 leagues, a league cup and European football beyond December in his first season, isn't pish. But against any team that was up for it meant that for example we would have lost against Astana and Be'er Sheva if he had still be in charge. During the last 6 months, something was clearly wrong, he had to go but he was hardly Paul Le Guen. What Brendan inherited was far more to work with than what Smith had when he took over from the Frenchman.
Any manager in the SPL would likely have achieved as much as Deila did with the same squad. He was pish.
Mowbray was pish (a side with Robbie Keane, AIden McGeady and Scott Brown that won nowt and struggled to finish 2nd and probably wouldn't have done had he not been replaced)

John Barnes was pish

Deila was not good enough - there is a difference.
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Corky, you are not comparing like for like. Mowbray and Barnes were up against Rangers. Deila didn't even have Sevco to deal with.

Edit - Aberdeen genuinely believed they could win the league in Deila's second season. That's how pish he was.
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2 leagues, a league cup and European football beyond December in his first season, isn't pish. But against any team that was up for it meant that for example we would have lost against Astana and Be'er Sheva if he had still be in charge. During the last 6 months, something was clearly wrong, he had to go but he was hardly Paul Le Guen. What Brendan inherited was far more to work with than what Smith had when he took over from the Frenchman.
Any manager in the SPL would likely have achieved as much as Deila did with the same squad. He was pish.
Same old same old
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Euro football after December came because UEFA turned a tanking from legia into a win for us. Thank you UEFA, Opus Dei, Peter....
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13 Jun 2017, 08:37 PM
Corky, you are not comparing like for like. Mowbray and Barnes were up against Rangers. Deila didn't even have Sevco to deal with.

Edit - Aberdeen genuinely believed they could win the league in Deila's second season. That's how pish he was.
Remy they might have thought it but they still finished around 15 points behind us. Deila's first season was a success overall. His second saw him go backwards and he had to go.

Not good enough but not pish either
Edited by Corky Buczek, 14 Jun 2017, 09:58 AM.
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Maybe this thread coukd get back to being a discussion about managerial sackings and appointments and not a rehash of how bad Ronny was ...that's about as boring and predictable as ""MON v WGS" ;)
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Sunderland agree compensation with Aberdeen for McInnes according to beeb
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14 Jun 2017, 03:46 PM
Sunderland agree compensation with Aberdeen for McInnes according to beeb
When Martin Bain drafts Sir Cardigan of Staunch in to identify a new manager, there was only going to be one winner.

Hell slap it into Sunderland
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Tommy Wright to Aberdeen might be a shout?

Or Alex Neil.
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I get that it'll mean bags of cash in terms of wages and a decent transfer budget compared to the sheep but Sunderland are a terrible mess and will always be one in my view

Hope the sheep can get someone in that can help them develop and see off the challenge form Pedro's intergalactic wonders for second spot

Also not that I'd question the cardigans motivation to get rid of the sheep manager at all ...
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13 Jun 2017, 07:31 PM
I know Sunderland have been in the doldrums for a while now culminating in their relegation but they are still a reasonably big club with a big support. I would have thought they would have set their managerial sights higher than McInnes.
It'll be a cost cutting exercise. Moyes would have been on big wages, and most of their high-paid players will be moved on. It's a horses-for-courses appointment. If McInnes takes them up, I'd expect him to be sacked not long after, so they can bring in a 'big name' manager to take them to the next level. It's a relatively, safe inexpensive appointment by Sunderland.
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14 Jun 2017, 03:50 PM
Tommy Wright to Aberdeen might be a shout?

Or Alex Neil.
Stubbs :thumbsup:
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14 Jun 2017, 04:14 PM
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14 Jun 2017, 03:50 PM
Tommy Wright to Aberdeen might be a shout?

Or Alex Neil.
Stubbs :thumbsup:
That'd be good. Someone like Hartley to be given the Hearts job and you'd have a bunch of ex-Celts in direct competition with the Huns :rocker:
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14 Jun 2017, 03:46 PM
Sunderland agree compensation with Aberdeen for McInnes according to beeb
Good. F*ck off, carrot. I'll give you 12 months :lol: :carrot:
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