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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,550 Views)
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tonyjaa-csc
3 Jun 2016, 10:00 PM
Giggs to Cardiff?
That might shift a few season tickets for them.

Other rumours have him taking the Bolton job, though. That could give him more chance to spend time with his kids.
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tonyjaa-csc
3 Jun 2016, 10:00 PM
Giggs to Cardiff?
That might shift a few season tickets for them.

Other rumours have him taking the Bolton job, though. That could give him more chance to spend time with his kids.
He must have kids in Cardiff too surely?
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3 Jun 2016, 10:25 PM
tonyjaa-csc
3 Jun 2016, 10:00 PM
Giggs to Cardiff?
That might shift a few season tickets for them.

Other rumours have him taking the Bolton job, though. That could give him more chance to spend time with his kids.
Makes sense. He's a proper family man.
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3 Jun 2016, 10:00 PM
Giggs to Cardiff?

Are they going to sack the Head Coach that they appointed two weeks ago ?

:ponder:

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3 Jun 2016, 10:30 PM
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3 Jun 2016, 10:25 PM
tonyjaa-csc
3 Jun 2016, 10:00 PM
Giggs to Cardiff?
That might shift a few season tickets for them.

Other rumours have him taking the Bolton job, though. That could give him more chance to spend time with his kids.
Makes sense. He's a proper family man.
:lol:
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3 Jun 2016, 10:30 PM
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3 Jun 2016, 10:25 PM
tonyjaa-csc
3 Jun 2016, 10:00 PM
Giggs to Cardiff?
That might shift a few season tickets for them.

Other rumours have him taking the Bolton job, though. That could give him more chance to spend time with his kids.
Makes sense. He's a proper family man.
:lol:
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What a mighty fall for Neil.
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3 Jun 2016, 11:22 PM
What a mighty fall for Neil.
Done deal?

At the risk of being ejected from KDS forthwith, what else was he going to get?
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3 Jun 2016, 11:27 PM
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3 Jun 2016, 11:22 PM
What a mighty fall for Neil.
Done deal?

At the risk of being ejected from KDS forthwith, what else was he going to get?
Agree. After a successful, if not spectacular, spell at Celtic he must have thought he'd get a better job than Bolton. Hell, Stubbs managed not to get promoted twice and has ended up with a better job than Bolton.

My guess - and it is no more than a guess - is that people involved in the game simply don't think Lennon's much of a manager. He needed to get back in the game, and he needs to make a success of this, or it's punditry.
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3 Jun 2016, 11:27 PM
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3 Jun 2016, 11:22 PM
What a mighty fall for Neil.
Done deal?

At the risk of being ejected from KDS forthwith, what else was he going to get?
No idea.

hes been incredibly poorly advised career wise since he left Celtic. Taking Hibs job? Christ save us can't he get a job in League 1/2 England?

Hibs? Talk about a poison chalice.
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3 Jun 2016, 11:27 PM
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3 Jun 2016, 11:22 PM
What a mighty fall for Neil.
Done deal?

At the risk of being ejected from KDS forthwith, what else was he going to get?
No idea.

hes been incredibly poorly advised career wise since he left Celtic. Taking Hibs job? Christ save us can't he get a job in League 1/2 England?

Hibs? Talk about a poison chalice.
Poorly advised? By whom?

Always struck me as his own man.
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3 Jun 2016, 11:22 PM
What a mighty fall for Neil.
Done deal?

At the risk of being ejected from KDS forthwith, what else was he going to get?
No idea.

hes been incredibly poorly advised career wise since he left Celtic. Taking Hibs job? Christ save us can't he get a job in League 1/2 England?

Hibs? Talk about a poison chalice.
Purely speculating but maybe he doesn't fancy uprooting his family again after the Bolton debacle and sees Hibs as a decent challenge? FWIW I think Stubbs is mental going to Rotherham*


*in the interests of disclosure I've been to Rotherham more times than should be necessary and it's a shampooehole
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3 Jun 2016, 11:27 PM
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3 Jun 2016, 11:22 PM
What a mighty fall for Neil.
Done deal?

At the risk of being ejected from KDS forthwith, what else was he going to get?
No idea.

hes been incredibly poorly advised career wise since he left Celtic. Taking Hibs job? Christ save us can't he get a job in League 1/2 England?

Hibs? Talk about a poison chalice.
I actually think he'd do well there but you're right about how far he's fallen.
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No idea.

hes been incredibly poorly advised career wise since he left Celtic. Taking Hibs job? Christ save us can't he get a job in League 1/2 England?

Hibs? Talk about a poison chalice.
I actually think he'd do well there but you're right about how far he's fallen.
The poison chalice was Bolton, not Hibs. They were around £160M in debt when Lenny took the job, and it was always going to end in tears. It's probably an ego thing with football managers whereby they convince themselves that they can turn things around notwithstanding the odds stacked up against them. Hibs is a well run club with a decent squad. If Lenny can't get them out of the Championship which no longer has huns or Jambos, then he might as well settle for a career in punditry.
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I actually think he'd do well there but you're right about how far he's fallen.
The poison chalice was Bolton, not Hibs. They were around £160M in debt when Lenny took the job, and it was always going to end in tears. It's probably an ego thing with football managers whereby they convince themselves that they can turn things around notwithstanding the odds stacked up against them. Hibs is a well run club with a decent squad. If Lenny can't get them out of the Championship which no longer has huns or Jambos, then he might as well settle for a career in punditry.
I don't think taking the Bolton job was an ego thing. I think he took it because he didn't have any other offers (I don't know this for fact, it's just what I read from the situation).

I think he believed he would be offered a job in the Premiership. When that didn't come along he probably thought he'd get a decent Championship side who were targeting promotion. I don't think he'd have left Celtic if he realised Bolton was the best offer he'd get.
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No idea.

hes been incredibly poorly advised career wise since he left Celtic. Taking Hibs job? Christ save us can't he get a job in League 1/2 England?

Hibs? Talk about a poison chalice.
Purely speculating but maybe he doesn't fancy uprooting his family again after the Bolton debacle and sees Hibs as a decent challenge? FWIW I think Stubbs is mental going to Rotherham*


*in the interests of disclosure I've been to Rotherham more times than should be necessary and it's a shampooehole
its a funny one that, I know its only Hibs but I see it as a step down for Stubbs and would be betting on him not lasting the year there and Rotherham heading for Div 1.
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The poison chalice was Bolton, not Hibs. They were around £160M in debt when Lenny took the job, and it was always going to end in tears. It's probably an ego thing with football managers whereby they convince themselves that they can turn things around notwithstanding the odds stacked up against them. Hibs is a well run club with a decent squad. If Lenny can't get them out of the Championship which no longer has huns or Jambos, then he might as well settle for a career in punditry.
I don't think taking the Bolton job was an ego thing. I think he took it because he didn't have any other offers (I don't know this for fact, it's just what I read from the situation).

I think he believed he would be offered a job in the Premiership. When that didn't come along he probably thought he'd get a decent Championship side who were targeting promotion. I don't think he'd have left Celtic if he realised Bolton was the best offer he'd get.
Yeah there was a bunch of left field appointments in jobs he might've been expected to be quoted for - West Brom, Norwich, Fulham, Palace etc

Think he panicked and thought Bolton would be a stepping stone. Met the remit first season (survival), then the money disappeared.
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Purely speculating but maybe he doesn't fancy uprooting his family again after the Bolton debacle and sees Hibs as a decent challenge? FWIW I think Stubbs is mental going to Rotherham*


*in the interests of disclosure I've been to Rotherham more times than should be necessary and it's a shampooehole
its a funny one that, I know its only Hibs but I see it as a step down for Stubbs and would be betting on him not lasting the year there and Rotherham heading for Div 1.
Yeah, I get that England is a bigger opportunity and it's probably handy for family reasons, but Rotherham?

Ok, Leicester and that, but Rotherham is the definition of a dead-end gig. He must've fallen out with Petrie.
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The poison chalice was Bolton, not Hibs. They were around £160M in debt when Lenny took the job, and it was always going to end in tears. It's probably an ego thing with football managers whereby they convince themselves that they can turn things around notwithstanding the odds stacked up against them. Hibs is a well run club with a decent squad. If Lenny can't get them out of the Championship which no longer has huns or Jambos, then he might as well settle for a career in punditry.
I don't think taking the Bolton job was an ego thing. I think he took it because he didn't have any other offers (I don't know this for fact, it's just what I read from the situation).

I think he believed he would be offered a job in the Premiership. When that didn't come along he probably thought he'd get a decent Championship side who were targeting promotion. I don't think he'd have left Celtic if he realised Bolton was the best offer he'd get.
The very point I was making. He was after the EPL, but when that did not materialise, he should have been after a well run Championship side with a run at promotion. Bolton were totally boracic and were never going to be that club. He could have held out for a bit as at least half a dozen of Championship clubs punt their manager before Christmas.
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Lennon is not making good choices in my view. I agree with others that when he quit Celtic he thought his stock was a lot higher than it was in other people's eyes.

I think even if he goes to Hibs and does well it would carry much kudos outside Scotland. To advance his career more he might have looked at a lower league English team which might turn it to be a stepping stone to better things. I suppose abroad is an option but that brings a whole other set of variables with it. Tough times.
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