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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,423 Views)
Jack Thaler
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10 May 2017, 11:14 AM
Inter reportedly ready to offer Conte £250,000 per week to become their new manager.
Waste of money- as Harry would tell them, Sean Dyche would do just as good a job.
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10 May 2017, 08:47 AM
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10 May 2017, 07:39 AM

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It's not that simple though. Van Persie, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher and Giggs were coming to the end of their usefulness as top players so the squad was in desperate need of an overhaul, which Ferguson uncharacteristically had failed to do in a phased manner. Moyes was hopeless at Old Trafford and did nothing to help himself but he inherited a similar situation to the one Guardiola has found this season at Man City - and he too has struggled with an ageing squad in need of drastic changes.
I'll give you Vidic and Ferdinand, but:

RVP had just won the Golden Boot, and been named United' player of the Year.
That'd be the Evra who since leaving United has won 2 Serie A titles and played in a 5th career CL final?
Darren Fletcher who 4 years on is the Captain of the side in 8th?

Discounting those players, look at the average age of the squad.
It wasn't old.
Van Persie was injured for most of Moyes's season in charge so he was no help. The bigger factor though is that the squad was past its best. The younger signings Ferguson had made, like Smalling and Jones, hadn't developed the way he expected and in fact were and still are pretty ordinary. Signings like Kagawa were already struggling before Moyes got anywhere near the place. He also wasn't helped by the fact David Gill left that summer and United's new chief executive made a pig's ear of the summer transfer window, missing out on Bale and Fabregas and paying £30 million for Fellaini who had a release clause for significantly less than that had they concluded the deal earlier in the window!
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10 May 2017, 08:47 AM
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I'll give you Vidic and Ferdinand, but:

RVP had just won the Golden Boot, and been named United' player of the Year.
That'd be the Evra who since leaving United has won 2 Serie A titles and played in a 5th career CL final?
Darren Fletcher who 4 years on is the Captain of the side in 8th?

Discounting those players, look at the average age of the squad.
It wasn't old.
Van Persie was injured for most of Moyes's season in charge so he was no help. The bigger factor though is that the squad was past its best. The younger signings Ferguson had made, like Smalling and Jones, hadn't developed the way he expected and in fact were and still are pretty ordinary. Signings like Kagawa were already struggling before Moyes got anywhere near the place. He also wasn't helped by the fact David Gill left that summer and United's new chief executive made a pig's ear of the summer transfer window, missing out on Bale and Fabregas and paying £30 million for Fellaini who had a release clause for significantly less than that had they concluded the deal earlier in the window!
The RVP injury was caused by Moyes' idiot mates overtraining him.
Had he not sacked the Utd coaching staff the injury may have been avoided.

Smalling, Valencia, and De Gea were 3/5 of the 2nd best defence in the league last year, and it's up there again this term.

Was Kagawa struggling?
He'd a great first half of the title winning season before injuries and the form of others saw him drop out.

He spent half the summer on a demented quest to land Leighton Baines, a left back not in the same league as the one he inherited.

We're not going to agree on Moyes, so I say we just leave it :thumbsup:
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10 May 2017, 10:44 AM
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10 May 2017, 08:47 AM

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Ferguson bailed out at the right time as winning the EPL that season was that squad's last hurrah, also no one really pushed them in that title race. He saw what was coming and decided to leave on a high, this apparently after telling some of the players he was staying for another 2 or 3 years - Evra confirmed that later. He knew his squad was in need of some rebuilding and decided it wasn't for him, that said, Moyes came in and dragged them down a level or two.
Don't take any pleasure in saying this, United are my English team.
You say no-one pushed them hard: up until the last 3 weeks of the season that team was on course for a record points total.
We aren't talking about last year's Leicester team :lol:
They finished 11 points clear of City in 2nd place, that after losing at home to them late on in the season. The overall standard that season in the whole League wasn't great, United were the best of a bad bunch, RVP lifted them above everyone else though. They ground out a lot of results that season. Ferdinand said as much recently, it was all about just getting over the line. Like I say, I'm a United fan but I don't think that was a particularly great United team/squad, far from it. Ferguson got out while the going was good, he saw what was coming and didn't want to try rebuilding the squad and end up leaving a United side in decline. Also they had hit the 20 titles mark, it was a good time to go. Just my opinion.
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Moyes lost his nerve at Old Trafford and never got it back. Lacked the courage of his convictions and was apparently content with the lack of transfer support. Looks terrified and fatalistic at Sunderland. We made the right choice but who could've predicted just how perfect a fit BR would be for us.
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10 May 2017, 10:18 AM
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10 May 2017, 08:47 AM
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I'll give you Vidic and Ferdinand, but:

RVP had just won the Golden Boot, and been named United' player of the Year.
That'd be the Evra who since leaving United has won 2 Serie A titles and played in a 5th career CL final?
Darren Fletcher who 4 years on is the Captain of the side in 8th?

Discounting those players, look at the average age of the squad.
It wasn't old.
Ferguson bailed out at the right time as winning the EPL that season was that squad's last hurrah, also no one really pushed them in that title race. He saw what was coming and decided to leave on a high, this apparently after telling some of the players he was staying for another 2 or 3 years - Evra confirmed that later. He knew his squad was in need of some rebuilding and decided it wasn't for him, that said, Moyes came in and dragged them down a level or two.
Don't take any pleasure in saying this, United are my English team.
Ferguson could have rebuilt & gone again, it was his wife rather than seeing a bleak future around the corner that saw him go.

There is no defence whatsoever for taking the club who won the league by a country mile to 7th when that club isn't Leicester.

Real, Barca, Juve, Bayern, etc would have sacked him long before May,there is no defence at all for them finishing 7th.
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11 May 2017, 06:40 AM
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10 May 2017, 10:18 AM
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10 May 2017, 08:47 AM

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Ferguson bailed out at the right time as winning the EPL that season was that squad's last hurrah, also no one really pushed them in that title race. He saw what was coming and decided to leave on a high, this apparently after telling some of the players he was staying for another 2 or 3 years - Evra confirmed that later. He knew his squad was in need of some rebuilding and decided it wasn't for him, that said, Moyes came in and dragged them down a level or two.
Don't take any pleasure in saying this, United are my English team.
Ferguson could have rebuilt & gone again, it was his wife rather than seeing a bleak future around the corner that saw him go.

There is no defence whatsoever for taking the club who won the league by a country mile to 7th when that club isn't Leicester.

Real, Barca, Juve, Bayern, etc would have sacked him long before May,there is no defence at all for them finishing 7th.
Ferguson leading a rebuilding job would be grim for Man U. His transfers post Ronaldo sale were mostly awful.
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11 May 2017, 08:36 AM
]Ferguson leading a rebuilding job would be grim for Man U. His transfers post Ronaldo sale were mostly awful.
Actually, Utd's transfers out have been appalling since they sold Ronaldo.

If you'd spent the last few years just buying players from Man Utd, you could have a squad of...

Tom Heaton [GK]
Ron-Robert Zieler [GK]
Victor Valdes [GK]

Patrice Evra [DL]
Robbie Brady [DL]
Rafael [DR]
John O'Shea [DR]
Michael Keane [DC]
Craig Cathcart [DC]
James Chester [DC]

Paul Pogba [MC]
Danny Drinkwater [MC]
Morgan Schneiderlin [MC]
Darren Fletcher [MC]

Shinji Kagawa [AM]
Zoran Tosic [AM]
Wilfried Zaha [AM]
Memphis Depay [AM]

Javier Hernandez [ST]
Danny Welbeck [ST]
Mame Biram Diouf [ST]
Josh King [ST]

A wee bit wobbly at the back, maybe, but that's still some squad.
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^^^^ the bold Saidy Janko is missing from the list lol
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Lambert apparently close to getting sacked at Wolves -mostly due to him not playing the "Mendes" players, which has pissed off Mendes and Fosun (the owner) would rather sack Lambert than make Mendes unhappy

To be fair to Mendes, Lambert have been terrible at playing the super agents players that are miles better technical that 99% of the other players in the Championship. And in general made some really strange decision on the teams that he has put out

player by player they should have finished way higher that 15th in the table
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In the least surprising announcement of the season, Watford have punted Mazzarri. He leaves after Sunday.
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8 Dec 2016, 02:08 PM
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7 Dec 2016, 05:25 PM
You happy with the appointment?
I was optimistic when he was appointed. With MacPhee as well, I'm excited. It won't be perfect, and it might take time but I'm keen to see how it goes. I thought their press conference was really impressive.
Thoughts 5 months later?
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17 May 2017, 02:00 PM
In the least surprising announcement of the season, Watford have punted Mazzarri. He leaves after Sunday.
There are yet undiscovered tribes in the Amazon jungle that knew he was going (spot the quote), I don't think it mattered what he did or where Watford finished, he was for the off regardless. Bit harsh on the guy I reckon.
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remy mcswain
17 May 2017, 02:00 PM
In the least surprising announcement of the season, Watford have punted Mazzarri. He leaves after Sunday.
A classic "lost the dressingroom" situation. (So I read.)
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12 May 2017, 11:30 AM
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11 May 2017, 08:36 AM
]Ferguson leading a rebuilding job would be grim for Man U. His transfers post Ronaldo sale were mostly awful.
Actually, Utd's transfers out have been appalling since they sold Ronaldo.

If you'd spent the last few years just buying players from Man Utd, you could have a squad of...

Tom Heaton [GK]
Ron-Robert Zieler [GK]
Victor Valdes [GK]

Patrice Evra [DL]
Robbie Brady [DL]
Rafael [DR]
John O'Shea [DR]
Michael Keane [DC]
Craig Cathcart [DC]
James Chester [DC]

Paul Pogba [MC]
Danny Drinkwater [MC]
Morgan Schneiderlin [MC]
Darren Fletcher [MC]

Shinji Kagawa [AM]
Zoran Tosic [AM]
Wilfried Zaha [AM]
Memphis Depay [AM]

Javier Hernandez [ST]
Danny Welbeck [ST]
Mame Biram Diouf [ST]
Josh King [ST]

A wee bit wobbly at the back, maybe, but that's still some squad.
That squad is, in the main, utter muck.
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15293711.Neil_Cameron__Who_in_Scottish_football_is_going_to_hire_John_Hughes_now_/


Unusually scathing personal attack on a Manager by a member of the press. Pity he didn't have the bottle to say what he really wanted to though.
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Wenger ready to sign a new 2 year deal with Arsenal according to the Telegraph.

He's staying there forever, isn't he? :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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18 May 2017, 01:23 PM
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15293711.Neil_Cameron__Who_in_Scottish_football_is_going_to_hire_John_Hughes_now_/


Unusually scathing personal attack on a Manager by a member of the press. Pity he didn't have the bottle to say what he really wanted to though.
Any manager who throws his players under the bus deserves everything he gets, it was trying to shift the blame from him on to them.
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20 May 2017, 07:31 AM
Wenger ready to sign a new 2 year deal with Arsenal according to the Telegraph.

He's staying there forever, isn't he? :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Haha if I was an Arsenal fan I'd be raging with that news
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20 May 2017, 07:31 AM
Wenger ready to sign a new 2 year deal with Arsenal according to the Telegraph.

He's staying there forever, isn't he? :lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:
:lol:
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