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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,424 Views)
Butters
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Rodgers unquestionably deserves to win it this year however there's a case for plenty of league winning managers not getting it.

If Deila or Lennon didn't win the league in the seasons they did they would have been sacked, so doing the bare minimum shouldn't get you manager of the year with the biggest resources.

Billy Reid won it in a year Oldco got to the Uefa Cup final & WGS won the SPL (with fans demanding he go 6 weeks before the end of that season, Strachan then wins it the following year despite the Huns winning a league & cup double.

St Johnstone winning cups, Hamilton being promoted & survive in the SPL, Thistle making the top 6 are bigger managerial achievements than the best sey of players, with the biggest budget sleep walking to league titles which has happened plenty of times in the recent past.
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Bear minimum ? You've made a bit of a Boo Boo there .
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6 May 2017, 11:44 PM
Bear minimum ? You've made a bit of a Boo Boo there .
Corrected, I'd love to claim it was autocorrect that did it but I'm just illiterate :lol:
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Butters
6 May 2017, 11:41 PM
Rodgers unquestionably deserves to win it this year however there's a case for plenty of league winning managers not getting it.

If Deila or Lennon didn't win the league in the seasons they did they would have been sacked, so doing the bare minimum shouldn't get you manager of the year with the biggest resources.

Billy Reid won it in a year Oldco got to the Uefa Cup final & WGS won the SPL (with fans demanding he go 6 weeks before the end of that season, Strachan then wins it the following year despite the Huns winning a league & cup double.

St Johnstone winning cups, Hamilton being promoted & survive in the SPL, Thistle making the top 6 are bigger managerial achievements than the best sey of players, with the biggest budget sleep walking to league titles which has happened plenty of times in the recent past.
The vote being taken way before the end of the season is absurd - Tommy Wright should have won it instead of McInness.
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6 May 2017, 11:51 PM
Butters
6 May 2017, 11:41 PM
Rodgers unquestionably deserves to win it this year however there's a case for plenty of league winning managers not getting it.

If Deila or Lennon didn't win the league in the seasons they did they would have been sacked, so doing the bare minimum shouldn't get you manager of the year with the biggest resources.

Billy Reid won it in a year Oldco got to the Uefa Cup final & WGS won the SPL (with fans demanding he go 6 weeks before the end of that season, Strachan then wins it the following year despite the Huns winning a league & cup double.

St Johnstone winning cups, Hamilton being promoted & survive in the SPL, Thistle making the top 6 are bigger managerial achievements than the best sey of players, with the biggest budget sleep walking to league titles which has happened plenty of times in the recent past.
The vote being taken way before the end of the season is absurd - Tommy Wright should have won it instead of McInness.
I've no idea why it's so difficult, you could get developers to design an app where you log in, cast your vote a few days before the meal & you've got your result.

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Butters
6 May 2017, 11:56 PM
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6 May 2017, 11:51 PM
Butters
6 May 2017, 11:41 PM
Rodgers unquestionably deserves to win it this year however there's a case for plenty of league winning managers not getting it.

If Deila or Lennon didn't win the league in the seasons they did they would have been sacked, so doing the bare minimum shouldn't get you manager of the year with the biggest resources.

Billy Reid won it in a year Oldco got to the Uefa Cup final & WGS won the SPL (with fans demanding he go 6 weeks before the end of that season, Strachan then wins it the following year despite the Huns winning a league & cup double.

St Johnstone winning cups, Hamilton being promoted & survive in the SPL, Thistle making the top 6 are bigger managerial achievements than the best sey of players, with the biggest budget sleep walking to league titles which has happened plenty of times in the recent past.
The vote being taken way before the end of the season is absurd - Tommy Wright should have won it instead of McInness.
I've no idea why it's so difficult, you could get developers to design an app where you log in, cast your vote a few days before the meal & you've got your result.

It could be done on the night. Just invite all 40 managers and a free bar :boxer:
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Inter Milan looking for their 4th manager this season. :ffs:

They've completely effed it post-Mourinho.
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9 May 2017, 11:55 PM
Inter Milan looking for their 4th manager this season. :ffs:

They've completely effed it post-Mourinho.
Sacking Benitez so quickly was a sign of things to come,

They were relatively patient pre Mourinho departure, they had 2 managers in 6 years & Mancini was given 3 years to win a title.
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3 May 2017, 04:32 PM
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TBF he's the master of the net spend. Everton spent a lot of money when Moyes was there - they just had to sell to buy. He didn't spend much more than what he brought in, sure, but most clubs in the Premiership were the same back then - he done a good job at Everton relative to what the Cardigan done with them, of course. But, did he really uplift Everton? I wouldn't say so. They were vastly under performing in the 90s and early 00s, and he got them back to where they probably should be: around the top eight.

He was a good talent spotter a few years back, but when was the last player he found and then developed, genuinely? It used to be that buys like Seamus Coleman and Tim Cahill were fairly regular for Moyes sides: unearthed gems that he would make better. He stopped doing that for large parts of the second half of his Everton career, and has done nothing of the sort since. The fact he signed a few of his old boys from Everton for Sunderland showcases he hasn't really moved on with the times.
I agree Moyes hasn't moved on, but I do feel there's a lot of revisionism going on at the moment regarding his time at Everton. He regularly had them in and around the top six for over a decade in an era when Everton were nowhere near being one of the bigger spenders.
Definitely the case

The Manu job was the very definition of a poisoned chalice and Ferguson had left a shocking squad (albeit I know one that had won league)

The real sociedad job was a brave but stupid choice - for all he's talked about going abroad he hadn't even learned language (or anywhere near reas level)

That displays some amount of arrogance as does the attitude at Sunderland - I'm going to say you're pish repeatedly and you're all going to back me for couple of years

I just get feeling that for all he used to work really hard at developing as a manager he's got fat on the hog and hasn't learned anything for last 5 years - in which time football at top level has really moved on

He's got a long road to get back but he could do it with an attitude change
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I agree Moyes hasn't moved on, but I do feel there's a lot of revisionism going on at the moment regarding his time at Everton. He regularly had them in and around the top six for over a decade in an era when Everton were nowhere near being one of the bigger spenders.
Definitely the case

The Manu job was the very definition of a poisoned chalice and Ferguson had left a shocking squad (albeit I know one that had won league)

The real sociedad job was a brave but stupid choice - for all he's talked about going abroad he hadn't even learned language (or anywhere near reas level)

That displays some amount of arrogance as does the attitude at Sunderland - I'm going to say you're pish repeatedly and you're all going to back me for couple of years

I just get feeling that for all he used to work really hard at developing as a manager he's got fat on the hog and hasn't learned anything for last 5 years - in which time football at top level has really moved on

He's got a long road to get back but he could do it with an attitude change
A shocking squad that contained
De Gea
Valencia
Rafael
Evra
Smalling
Jones
Evans
Vidic
Ferdinand
Carrick
Fletcher
Nani
Kagawa
Rooney
RVP
Hernandez
Welbeck

It needed strengthening, but those players don't say 'nailed on certainties to finish 7th' to me.

That squad had just romped the league, with 89 points.
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10 May 2017, 07:39 AM
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10 May 2017, 06:49 AM
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Definitely the case

The Manu job was the very definition of a poisoned chalice and Ferguson had left a shocking squad (albeit I know one that had won league)

The real sociedad job was a brave but stupid choice - for all he's talked about going abroad he hadn't even learned language (or anywhere near reas level)

That displays some amount of arrogance as does the attitude at Sunderland - I'm going to say you're pish repeatedly and you're all going to back me for couple of years

I just get feeling that for all he used to work really hard at developing as a manager he's got fat on the hog and hasn't learned anything for last 5 years - in which time football at top level has really moved on

He's got a long road to get back but he could do it with an attitude change
A shocking squad that contained
De Gea
Valencia
Rafael
Evra
Smalling
Jones
Evans
Vidic
Ferdinand
Carrick
Fletcher
Nani
Kagawa
Rooney
RVP
Hernandez
Welbeck

It needed strengthening, but those players don't say 'nailed on certainties to finish 7th' to me.

That squad had just romped the league, with 89 points.
It's not that simple though. Van Persie, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher and Giggs were coming to the end of their usefulness as top players so the squad was in desperate need of an overhaul, which Ferguson uncharacteristically had failed to do in a phased manner. Moyes was hopeless at Old Trafford and did nothing to help himself but he inherited a similar situation to the one Guardiola has found this season at Man City - and he too has struggled with an ageing squad in need of drastic changes.
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10 May 2017, 07:39 AM
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10 May 2017, 06:49 AM

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A shocking squad that contained
De Gea
Valencia
Rafael
Evra
Smalling
Jones
Evans
Vidic
Ferdinand
Carrick
Fletcher
Nani
Kagawa
Rooney
RVP
Hernandez
Welbeck

It needed strengthening, but those players don't say 'nailed on certainties to finish 7th' to me.

That squad had just romped the league, with 89 points.
It's not that simple though. Van Persie, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher and Giggs were coming to the end of their usefulness as top players so the squad was in desperate need of an overhaul, which Ferguson uncharacteristically had failed to do in a phased manner. Moyes was hopeless at Old Trafford and did nothing to help himself but he inherited a similar situation to the one Guardiola has found this season at Man City - and he too has struggled with an ageing squad in need of drastic changes.
I'll give you Vidic and Ferdinand, but:

RVP had just won the Golden Boot, and been named United' player of the Year.
That'd be the Evra who since leaving United has won 2 Serie A titles and played in a 5th career CL final?
Darren Fletcher who 4 years on is the Captain of the side in 8th?

Discounting those players, look at the average age of the squad.
It wasn't old.
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It's not that simple though. Van Persie, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher and Giggs were coming to the end of their usefulness as top players so the squad was in desperate need of an overhaul, which Ferguson uncharacteristically had failed to do in a phased manner. Moyes was hopeless at Old Trafford and did nothing to help himself but he inherited a similar situation to the one Guardiola has found this season at Man City - and he too has struggled with an ageing squad in need of drastic changes.
I'll give you Vidic and Ferdinand, but:

RVP had just won the Golden Boot, and been named United' player of the Year.
That'd be the Evra who since leaving United has won 2 Serie A titles and played in a 5th career CL final?
Darren Fletcher who 4 years on is the Captain of the side in 8th?

Discounting those players, look at the average age of the squad.
It wasn't old.
Ferguson bailed out at the right time as winning the EPL that season was that squad's last hurrah, also no one really pushed them in that title race. He saw what was coming and decided to leave on a high, this apparently after telling some of the players he was staying for another 2 or 3 years - Evra confirmed that later. He knew his squad was in need of some rebuilding and decided it wasn't for him, that said, Moyes came in and dragged them down a level or two.
Don't take any pleasure in saying this, United are my English team.
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This won't be a popular post on here I bet but talking to some of my Dundee FC connections it seems McCann is making a really good impression with the players. Who would have thought that?
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10 May 2017, 10:42 AM
This won't be a popular post on here I bet but talking to some of my Dundee FC connections it seems McCann is making a really good impression with the players. Who would have thought that?
Great news. His TV career will be over for a while.

Plus we will hump them next year.
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remy mcswain
10 May 2017, 10:43 AM
IainG
10 May 2017, 10:42 AM
This won't be a popular post on here I bet but talking to some of my Dundee FC connections it seems McCann is making a really good impression with the players. Who would have thought that?
Great news. His TV career will be over for a while.

Plus we will hump them next year.
Small mercies
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10 May 2017, 10:18 AM
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I'll give you Vidic and Ferdinand, but:

RVP had just won the Golden Boot, and been named United' player of the Year.
That'd be the Evra who since leaving United has won 2 Serie A titles and played in a 5th career CL final?
Darren Fletcher who 4 years on is the Captain of the side in 8th?

Discounting those players, look at the average age of the squad.
It wasn't old.
Ferguson bailed out at the right time as winning the EPL that season was that squad's last hurrah, also no one really pushed them in that title race. He saw what was coming and decided to leave on a high, this apparently after telling some of the players he was staying for another 2 or 3 years - Evra confirmed that later. He knew his squad was in need of some rebuilding and decided it wasn't for him, that said, Moyes came in and dragged them down a level or two.
Don't take any pleasure in saying this, United are my English team.
You say no-one pushed them hard: up until the last 3 weeks of the season that team was on course for a record points total.
We aren't talking about last year's Leicester team :lol:
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