|
Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
|
|
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,425 Views)
|
|
shug
|
3 May 2017, 01:39 PM
Post #2781
|
- Posts:
- 4,892
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #9,851
- Joined:
- 6 August 2007
|
- Bobby Peru
- 3 May 2017, 01:10 PM
- melbournebhoy
- 3 May 2017, 11:44 AM
As far as I remember, GMB Hartley was featured in an ad for yellow pages back in the 80's. Its an old gentleman searching the listings and eventually finding the book he has been looking for by GMB Hartley, who turns out to be himself. I suspect other interpretations have been added on later. Could be wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2TilNclT8k
|
|
|
| |
|
Jack Thaler
|
3 May 2017, 02:24 PM
Post #2782
|
- Posts:
- 5,545
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #32,503
- Joined:
- 10 May 2013
- Favourite all-time player
- Henrik Larsson
- Twitter Name
- @E_JackThaler
|
- Radagast
- 3 May 2017, 12:20 PM
- Jack Thaler
- 3 May 2017, 11:57 AM
- Radagast
- 3 May 2017, 11:30 AM
I sometimes think David Moyes has been quite unlucky. He couldn't turn down the Man Utd job. Although they were champions, it wasnt a great squad. I dont think he got long enough before he got the bullet. The Real Sociedad move was a strange decision. And Sunderland are Sunderland. They have finished 17th, 14th, 16th 17th in the last 4 seasons. They've been circling the drain for years. He took over in late July too.
He took the Champions from 1st to 7th. They won nothing. He was lucky he got as long as he did. He took over a Sociedad side that had finished in the European places the previous season, and when he got punted claimed their board had unrealistic ambitions. They're back in the European spots this season He spent £35 million at Sunderland, having taken over a side that ended last season in rich form. He's a effing haddy.
His net spend was 13m at Sunderland. 13th most in the league right enough. But I'd say a terrible team escaping relegation narrowly for 3 of the previous 4 seasons needed more than 13m invested in it. That doesnt get you far in that league when you take over a month before the window closes. In the winter transfer window his net spend was -8m. Van Anholt wanted to leave for a relagation rival. Sunderland's debt is over 100m. Van Gaal hardly improved Man Utd and iirc he spent over 250m. He's misused his squad, as I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Read Sunderland fan blogs for more on that score.
His negativity in each of his last three jobs has been bizarre.
Three seasons since he left Old Trafford, 3 trophies, and league finishes no lower than 5th.
He'll be the next Scotland manager, and all the same old 'Poor David' excuses will be rolled out again.
|
|
|
| |
|
adammce
|
3 May 2017, 02:34 PM
Post #2783
|
- Posts:
- 1,103
- Group:
- Members
- Member
- #33,561
- Joined:
- 6 June 2014
- Favourite all-time player
- Du Wei
|
I may have totally mucked up my call for Rodgers, but he's completely avoided all of the things that worried me about him. He's not had to try and play to the gallery here as we all effing love him so he can just be Brendan rather than the Stars In Your Eyes Bill Shankly he was trying to be. It's great to see as he's far more like the humble, honest guy who managed Swansea now. Moyes, though? effing hell, he's only gone and gotten worse! Guys the personification of 1 win in 3 and a 0-0 away from home being a cracking result regardless of the opposition or the context.
Dull as eff and an arrogant bastard to boot since he got the United job. His one redeeming factor was his humble nature at Everton: the minute he got the United job that changed and he started acting like he's a top level manager. Never won a effing thing yet has the gall to question clubs ambitions. pumpkin of a man.
|
|
|
| |
|
Radagast
|
3 May 2017, 02:49 PM
Post #2784
|
- Posts:
- 4,785
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #25,186
- Joined:
- 17 January 2010
- Favourite all-time player
- Paul McStay
|
- Jack Thaler
- 3 May 2017, 02:24 PM
- Radagast
- 3 May 2017, 12:20 PM
- Jack Thaler
- 3 May 2017, 11:57 AM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
His net spend was 13m at Sunderland. 13th most in the league right enough. But I'd say a terrible team escaping relegation narrowly for 3 of the previous 4 seasons needed more than 13m invested in it. That doesnt get you far in that league when you take over a month before the window closes. In the winter transfer window his net spend was -8m. Van Anholt wanted to leave for a relagation rival. Sunderland's debt is over 100m. Van Gaal hardly improved Man Utd and iirc he spent over 250m.
He's misused his squad, as I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Read Sunderland fan blogs for more on that score. His negativity in each of his last three jobs has been bizarre. Three seasons since he left Old Trafford, 3 trophies, and league finishes no lower than 5th. He'll be the next Scotland manager, and all the same old 'Poor David' excuses will be rolled out again. I didnt say he was a great manager. I said I sometimes think he's been unlucky and I think its true.
I agree he is negative. His years making Everton hard to beat probably have made him the manager he is.
I think he can be negative and unlucky.
|
|
|
| |
|
Radagast
|
3 May 2017, 02:50 PM
Post #2785
|
- Posts:
- 4,785
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #25,186
- Joined:
- 17 January 2010
- Favourite all-time player
- Paul McStay
|
- adammce
- 3 May 2017, 02:34 PM
I may have totally mucked up my call for Rodgers, but he's completely avoided all of the things that worried me about him. He's not had to try and play to the gallery here as we all effing love him so he can just be Brendan rather than the Stars In Your Eyes Bill Shankly he was trying to be. It's great to see as he's far more like the humble, honest guy who managed Swansea now. Moyes, though? effing hell, he's only gone and gotten worse! Guys the personification of 1 win in 3 and a 0-0 away from home being a cracking result regardless of the opposition or the context.
Dull as eff and an arrogant bastard to boot since he got the United job. His one redeeming factor was his humble nature at Everton: the minute he got the United job that changed and he started acting like he's a top level manager. Never won a effing thing yet has the gall to question clubs ambitions. pumpkin of a man. I actually heard from a Preston fan that when he got the Everton job his attitude changed.
|
|
|
| |
|
adammce
|
3 May 2017, 02:58 PM
Post #2786
|
- Posts:
- 1,103
- Group:
- Members
- Member
- #33,561
- Joined:
- 6 June 2014
- Favourite all-time player
- Du Wei
|
- Radagast
- 3 May 2017, 02:50 PM
- adammce
- 3 May 2017, 02:34 PM
I may have totally mucked up my call for Rodgers, but he's completely avoided all of the things that worried me about him. He's not had to try and play to the gallery here as we all effing love him so he can just be Brendan rather than the Stars In Your Eyes Bill Shankly he was trying to be. It's great to see as he's far more like the humble, honest guy who managed Swansea now. Moyes, though? effing hell, he's only gone and gotten worse! Guys the personification of 1 win in 3 and a 0-0 away from home being a cracking result regardless of the opposition or the context.
Dull as eff and an arrogant bastard to boot since he got the United job. His one redeeming factor was his humble nature at Everton: the minute he got the United job that changed and he started acting like he's a top level manager. Never won a effing thing yet has the gall to question clubs ambitions. pumpkin of a man.
I actually heard from a Preston fan that when he got the Everton job his attitude changed. Aye? That's interesting actually! I mind him being a bit snipey with the press at times (his mad silent press conference back in the mid-00s was toe curling) and also just making things up (the whole People's Club thing) for popularity, but figured that was Moyes at his personable best
|
|
|
| |
|
Jack Thaler
|
3 May 2017, 03:17 PM
Post #2787
|
- Posts:
- 5,545
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #32,503
- Joined:
- 10 May 2013
- Favourite all-time player
- Henrik Larsson
- Twitter Name
- @E_JackThaler
|
- Radagast
- 3 May 2017, 02:49 PM
- Jack Thaler
- 3 May 2017, 02:24 PM
- Radagast
- 3 May 2017, 12:20 PM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
He's misused his squad, as I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Read Sunderland fan blogs for more on that score. His negativity in each of his last three jobs has been bizarre. Three seasons since he left Old Trafford, 3 trophies, and league finishes no lower than 5th. He'll be the next Scotland manager, and all the same old 'Poor David' excuses will be rolled out again.
I didnt say he was a great manager. I said I sometimes think he's been unlucky and I think its true. I agree he is negative. His years making Everton hard to beat probably have made him the manager he is. I think he can be negative and unlucky. I think he was immensely stupid to go near Sunderland; his claims that he knew nothing about their debt suggest he's a massive thickie.
I don't know what role luck has played in his having a worse record than his predecessor and successor at Old Trafford, and a worse record than his predecessor and successor at Anoeta, and a worse record than his predecessor at the Stadium of Light.
He was very fortunate to get the Man U job, however.
|
|
|
| |
|
DocPenvro
|
3 May 2017, 03:18 PM
Post #2788
|
- Posts:
- 2,464
- Group:
- Members
- Member
- #32,315
- Joined:
- 27 February 2013
- Favourite all-time player
- Jimmy Johnstone
|
With 're. to David Moyes, a few years back in the mid to late noughties, Everton had sort of stabilised. They were comfortably a mid table club most seasons, with the occasional high achieve. Everton supporters in the pub weren't too impressed, they had won nothing with him. They figured all they would be is a ordinary club in the EPL, with no ambition. In their eyes this was not good enough. He was never really popular, which sort of surprised me. They had some close escapes with his predecessors.
|
|
|
| |
|
One sharp cookie
|
3 May 2017, 04:07 PM
Post #2789
|
- Posts:
- 4,494
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #29,328
- Joined:
- 26 August 2011
- Favourite all-time player
- Lubo Moravcik
|
- DocPenvro
- 3 May 2017, 03:18 PM
With 're. to David Moyes, a few years back in the mid to late noughties, Everton had sort of stabilised. They were comfortably a mid table club most seasons, with the occasional high achieve. Everton supporters in the pub weren't too impressed, they had won nothing with him. They figured all they would be is a ordinary club in the EPL, with no ambition. In their eyes this was not good enough. He was never really popular, which sort of surprised me. They had some close escapes with his predecessors. I've been very critical of Moyes in this thread but I don't think you can argue with his record at Everton. Despite working with a relatively small budget, he constantly had them punching above their weight for well over a decade and absolutely deserved his opportunity at a bigger club. But everything he's touched since then has been a disaster.
|
|
|
| |
|
adammce
|
3 May 2017, 04:32 PM
Post #2790
|
- Posts:
- 1,103
- Group:
- Members
- Member
- #33,561
- Joined:
- 6 June 2014
- Favourite all-time player
- Du Wei
|
- One sharp cookie
- 3 May 2017, 04:07 PM
- DocPenvro
- 3 May 2017, 03:18 PM
With 're. to David Moyes, a few years back in the mid to late noughties, Everton had sort of stabilised. They were comfortably a mid table club most seasons, with the occasional high achieve. Everton supporters in the pub weren't too impressed, they had won nothing with him. They figured all they would be is a ordinary club in the EPL, with no ambition. In their eyes this was not good enough. He was never really popular, which sort of surprised me. They had some close escapes with his predecessors.
I've been very critical of Moyes in this thread but I don't think you can argue with his record at Everton. Despite working with a relatively small budget, he constantly had them punching above their weight for well over a decade and absolutely deserved his opportunity at a bigger club. But everything he's touched since then has been a disaster. TBF he's the master of the net spend. Everton spent a lot of money when Moyes was there - they just had to sell to buy. He didn't spend much more than what he brought in, sure, but most clubs in the Premiership were the same back then - he done a good job at Everton relative to what the Cardigan done with them, of course. But, did he really uplift Everton? I wouldn't say so. They were vastly under performing in the 90s and early 00s, and he got them back to where they probably should be: around the top eight.
He was a good talent spotter a few years back, but when was the last player he found and then developed, genuinely? It used to be that buys like Seamus Coleman and Tim Cahill were fairly regular for Moyes sides: unearthed gems that he would make better. He stopped doing that for large parts of the second half of his Everton career, and has done nothing of the sort since. The fact he signed a few of his old boys from Everton for Sunderland showcases he hasn't really moved on with the times.
|
|
|
| |
|
One sharp cookie
|
3 May 2017, 05:00 PM
Post #2791
|
- Posts:
- 4,494
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #29,328
- Joined:
- 26 August 2011
- Favourite all-time player
- Lubo Moravcik
|
- adammce
- 3 May 2017, 04:32 PM
- One sharp cookie
- 3 May 2017, 04:07 PM
- DocPenvro
- 3 May 2017, 03:18 PM
With 're. to David Moyes, a few years back in the mid to late noughties, Everton had sort of stabilised. They were comfortably a mid table club most seasons, with the occasional high achieve. Everton supporters in the pub weren't too impressed, they had won nothing with him. They figured all they would be is a ordinary club in the EPL, with no ambition. In their eyes this was not good enough. He was never really popular, which sort of surprised me. They had some close escapes with his predecessors.
I've been very critical of Moyes in this thread but I don't think you can argue with his record at Everton. Despite working with a relatively small budget, he constantly had them punching above their weight for well over a decade and absolutely deserved his opportunity at a bigger club. But everything he's touched since then has been a disaster.
TBF he's the master of the net spend. Everton spent a lot of money when Moyes was there - they just had to sell to buy. He didn't spend much more than what he brought in, sure, but most clubs in the Premiership were the same back then - he done a good job at Everton relative to what the Cardigan done with them, of course. But, did he really uplift Everton? I wouldn't say so. They were vastly under performing in the 90s and early 00s, and he got them back to where they probably should be: around the top eight. He was a good talent spotter a few years back, but when was the last player he found and then developed, genuinely? It used to be that buys like Seamus Coleman and Tim Cahill were fairly regular for Moyes sides: unearthed gems that he would make better. He stopped doing that for large parts of the second half of his Everton career, and has done nothing of the sort since. The fact he signed a few of his old boys from Everton for Sunderland showcases he hasn't really moved on with the times. I agree Moyes hasn't moved on, but I do feel there's a lot of revisionism going on at the moment regarding his time at Everton. He regularly had them in and around the top six for over a decade in an era when Everton were nowhere near being one of the bigger spenders.
|
|
|
| |
|
pieol
|
3 May 2017, 05:21 PM
Post #2792
|
- Posts:
- 2,539
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #6,751
- Joined:
- 29 January 2007
- Favourite all-time player
- Anton Rogan
|
- One sharp cookie
- 3 May 2017, 05:00 PM
- adammce
- 3 May 2017, 04:32 PM
- One sharp cookie
- 3 May 2017, 04:07 PM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
TBF he's the master of the net spend. Everton spent a lot of money when Moyes was there - they just had to sell to buy. He didn't spend much more than what he brought in, sure, but most clubs in the Premiership were the same back then - he done a good job at Everton relative to what the Cardigan done with them, of course. But, did he really uplift Everton? I wouldn't say so. They were vastly under performing in the 90s and early 00s, and he got them back to where they probably should be: around the top eight. He was a good talent spotter a few years back, but when was the last player he found and then developed, genuinely? It used to be that buys like Seamus Coleman and Tim Cahill were fairly regular for Moyes sides: unearthed gems that he would make better. He stopped doing that for large parts of the second half of his Everton career, and has done nothing of the sort since. The fact he signed a few of his old boys from Everton for Sunderland showcases he hasn't really moved on with the times.
I agree Moyes hasn't moved on, but I do feel there's a lot of revisionism going on at the moment regarding his time at Everton. He regularly had them in and around the top six for over a decade in an era when Everton were nowhere near being one of the bigger spenders. He is a dull, dour, boring manager. All we need to know is we were 100% vindicated in not appointing him as manager.
Edited by pieol, 3 May 2017, 05:22 PM.
|
|
|
| |
|
adammce
|
3 May 2017, 05:59 PM
Post #2793
|
- Posts:
- 1,103
- Group:
- Members
- Member
- #33,561
- Joined:
- 6 June 2014
- Favourite all-time player
- Du Wei
|
- One sharp cookie
- 3 May 2017, 05:00 PM
- adammce
- 3 May 2017, 04:32 PM
- One sharp cookie
- 3 May 2017, 04:07 PM
Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
TBF he's the master of the net spend. Everton spent a lot of money when Moyes was there - they just had to sell to buy. He didn't spend much more than what he brought in, sure, but most clubs in the Premiership were the same back then - he done a good job at Everton relative to what the Cardigan done with them, of course. But, did he really uplift Everton? I wouldn't say so. They were vastly under performing in the 90s and early 00s, and he got them back to where they probably should be: around the top eight. He was a good talent spotter a few years back, but when was the last player he found and then developed, genuinely? It used to be that buys like Seamus Coleman and Tim Cahill were fairly regular for Moyes sides: unearthed gems that he would make better. He stopped doing that for large parts of the second half of his Everton career, and has done nothing of the sort since. The fact he signed a few of his old boys from Everton for Sunderland showcases he hasn't really moved on with the times.
I agree Moyes hasn't moved on, but I do feel there's a lot of revisionism going on at the moment regarding his time at Everton. He regularly had them in and around the top six for over a decade in an era when Everton were nowhere near being one of the bigger spenders. He did do well with Everton, but never good enough to replace Ferguson. He was consistent with Everton - he would reach the big moments then blow it, leaving them wondering what if. Good for the club but mad that he moved on with most fans happy he did so, only to get the bloody United job. He never deserved that kind of role at all.
|
|
|
| |
|
Jimmy_Quinn's_Hattrick
|
3 May 2017, 10:43 PM
Post #2794
|
- Posts:
- 1,042
- Group:
- Members
- Member
- #35,592
- Joined:
- 3 May 2017
- Favourite all-time player
- Henrik Larsson
|
At the time, I felt that I would have been happy with Moyes as Celtic manager - if only because I didn't expect Rodgers, or another manager of that calibre, to be a realistic prospect and Moyes was more appealing than most of the other names that had been associated with the job in recent years. His time at Sunderland has been a complete car crash, though, and some of his defeatist and outright bizarre comments to the press read like the words of someone who has given up the ghost (or angling for the sack...). I would say it will be hard for him to make any kind of comeback but, hey, the managerial merry-go-round goes round-and-round. It's a shame to see someone I previously associated with stability and consistency falling into it, although I suppose there are always people who fall behind as the game evolves (and it's happened to better managers than Moyes, for sure).
I'm also one of those people delighted to find that what reservations I had about Rodgers have been proven false. That daft "Being: Liverpool" documentary really did no favours to anybody involved with it. Genuine, humble, down-to-Earth people are a bit rare to come by at the top levels of football these days and we are very, very lucky to have a manager who seems born to manage Celtic. He's the right man at the right club at the right time, and I think we're at the start of something very special.
|
|
|
| |
|
Luca
|
3 May 2017, 10:48 PM
Post #2795
|
Off treasure hunting in Holland
- Posts:
- 12,109
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #32,629
- Joined:
- 8 July 2013
- Favourite all-time player
- Maradona
|
- Jimmy_Quinn's_Hattrick
- 3 May 2017, 10:43 PM
At the time, I felt that I would have been happy with Moyes as Celtic manager - if only because I didn't expect Rodgers, or another manager of that calibre, to be a realistic prospect and Moyes was more appealing than most of the other names that had been associated with the job in recent years. His time at Sunderland has been a complete car crash, though, and some of his defeatist and outright bizarre comments to the press read like the words of someone who has given up the ghost (or angling for the sack...). I would say it will be hard for him to make any kind of comeback but, hey, the managerial merry-go-round goes round-and-round. It's a shame to see someone I previously associated with stability and consistency falling into it, although I suppose there are always people who fall behind as the game evolves (and it's happened to better managers than Moyes, for sure).
I'm also one of those people delighted to find that what reservations I had about Rodgers have been proven false. That daft "Being: Liverpool" documentary really did no favours to anybody involved with it. Genuine, humble, down-to-Earth people are a bit rare to come by at the top levels of football these days and we are very, very lucky to have a manager who seems born to manage Celtic. He's the right man at the right club at the right time, and I think we're at the start of something very special. Ultimately that documentary worked in our favour as a lot of English folk struggled to see beyond it, meaning we could entice BR here with little to no competiton
Edited by Luca, 3 May 2017, 10:48 PM.
|
|
|
| |
|
bubba
|
4 May 2017, 10:59 AM
Post #2796
|
- Posts:
- 5,359
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #27,401
- Joined:
- 9 December 2010
|
In a period of Celtic dominance, the list of winners in the pfa Scotland manager of the year reads...
Gordon Strachan Billy Reid Gordon Strachan The cardigan John mcglynn Derek Adams Allan johnstone Derek McInnes John Hughes Mark Warburton
The football writers one has also been won by Caaba laszlo and mixu paatelainen over the years
Compare and contrast to the 90s where smith won it virtually every year they won the league despite the same lack of competition which is now thrown in the face of every Celtic manager
staggering, and the reason why Brendan Rodgers, despite being on the brink of an unbeaten treble winning season could miss out this year to Jim Duffy or Alan archibald
|
|
|
| |
|
Haitch
|
4 May 2017, 12:57 PM
Post #2797
|
- Posts:
- 7,664
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #30,104
- Joined:
- 1 January 2012
- Favourite all-time player
- Henrik Larsson
|
- bubba
- 4 May 2017, 10:59 AM
In a period of Celtic dominance, the list of winners in the pfa Scotland manager of the year reads...
Gordon Strachan Billy Reid Gordon Strachan The cardigan John mcglynn Derek Adams Allan johnstone Derek McInnes John Hughes Mark Warburton
The football writers one has also been won by Caaba laszlo and mixu paatelainen over the years
Compare and contrast to the 90s where smith won it virtually every year they won the league despite the same lack of competition which is now thrown in the face of every Celtic manager
staggering, and the reason why Brendan Rodgers, despite being on the brink of an unbeaten treble winning season could miss out this year to Jim Duffy or Alan archibald
Pretty disgraceful that Lenny didn't win at least one.
|
|
|
| |
|
bubba
|
4 May 2017, 01:01 PM
Post #2798
|
- Posts:
- 5,359
- Group:
- Snr. Member
- Member
- #27,401
- Joined:
- 9 December 2010
|
- Haitch
- 4 May 2017, 12:57 PM
- bubba
- 4 May 2017, 10:59 AM
In a period of Celtic dominance, the list of winners in the pfa Scotland manager of the year reads...
Gordon Strachan Billy Reid Gordon Strachan The cardigan John mcglynn Derek Adams Allan johnstone Derek McInnes John Hughes Mark Warburton
The football writers one has also been won by Caaba laszlo and mixu paatelainen over the years
Compare and contrast to the 90s where smith won it virtually every year they won the league despite the same lack of competition which is now thrown in the face of every Celtic manager
staggering, and the reason why Brendan Rodgers, despite being on the brink of an unbeaten treble winning season could miss out this year to Jim Duffy or Alan archibald
Pretty disgraceful that Lenny didn't win at least one. He did win back to back sport writers ones but not being recognized by his peers is pitiful, as is the situation with him again this season failing to make the pfa list
|
|
|
| |
|
DocPenvro
|
4 May 2017, 01:23 PM
Post #2799
|
- Posts:
- 2,464
- Group:
- Members
- Member
- #32,315
- Joined:
- 27 February 2013
- Favourite all-time player
- Jimmy Johnstone
|
- One sharp cookie
- 3 May 2017, 04:07 PM
- DocPenvro
- 3 May 2017, 03:18 PM
With 're. to David Moyes, a few years back in the mid to late noughties, Everton had sort of stabilised. They were comfortably a mid table club most seasons, with the occasional high achieve. Everton supporters in the pub weren't too impressed, they had won nothing with him. They figured all they would be is a ordinary club in the EPL, with no ambition. In their eyes this was not good enough. He was never really popular, which sort of surprised me. They had some close escapes with his predecessors.
I've been very critical of Moyes in this thread but I don't think you can argue with his record at Everton. Despite working with a relatively small budget, he constantly had them punching above their weight for well over a decade and absolutely deserved his opportunity at a bigger club. But everything he's touched since then has been a disaster. Just to say that these comments came from Everton fans, not me. I personally thought that Moyes had a few good seasons at Everton, particularly in the early days. From time to time they did punch above their weight. When he took over they were a bit of basket case, they were a strong mid table side when he left. He should now consider punditry, hopefully there is an opening at Sky Scotland coming up.
|
|
|
| |
|
Jimmy_Quinn's_Hattrick
|
6 May 2017, 12:33 PM
Post #2800
|
- Posts:
- 1,042
- Group:
- Members
- Member
- #35,592
- Joined:
- 3 May 2017
- Favourite all-time player
- Henrik Larsson
|
Stuart Baxter becomes experienced mentor manager of South Africa for the second time.
|
|
|
| |
| 3 users reading this topic (3 Guests and 0 Anonymous)
|