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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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25 Feb 2017, 12:48 AM
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- adammce
- 24 Feb 2017, 08:20 PM
Would just like to add my heartfelt laughter at Ultra Fox. You make me come across extremely well in comparison. Get it up you and your shampooey wee team, and your crap attitude. Imagine being a effing arrogant LEICESTER CITY fan hahaha. Enjoy the second division ya belter.
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Jaggy Bunnet
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25 Feb 2017, 02:44 AM
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- murphio
- 24 Feb 2017, 03:04 PM
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- 24 Feb 2017, 10:35 AM
No surprise Ranieri was sacked and tbh I don't blame the board for acting; if, that is, they have an alternative in place. They are staring relegation in the face and they have been utterly abysmal this season with no sign of it getting better. You can't afford to stand on sentiment when there is such a huge amount at stake. The Championship is a very difficult league to get out of.
And the Premiership is a very difficult division to win
Yep, and he done a tremendous job in winning it. His remit, though, from the very beginning was to keep them in the Premiership at a bare minimum. The freak nature of their Premiership win aside, he is failing to do that and I don't blame the Leicester board one bit for acting. If a new manager comes in and saves them from what seemed certain relegation under Ranieri then it may have been ruthless but will ultimately be vindicated. They're not currently in the relegation zone though? Them going down is hardly a certainty. If he was flatlining the club and they were 10 points adrift at the bottom, sure, sack him, but not in their current position, plus in the last 16 of the CL.
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25 Feb 2017, 11:29 AM
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- Jaggy Bunnet
- 25 Feb 2017, 02:44 AM
- murphio
- 24 Feb 2017, 03:04 PM
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- 24 Feb 2017, 01:50 PM
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Yep, and he done a tremendous job in winning it. His remit, though, from the very beginning was to keep them in the Premiership at a bare minimum. The freak nature of their Premiership win aside, he is failing to do that and I don't blame the Leicester board one bit for acting. If a new manager comes in and saves them from what seemed certain relegation under Ranieri then it may have been ruthless but will ultimately be vindicated.
They're not currently in the relegation zone though? Them going down is hardly a certainty. If he was flatlining the club and they were 10 points adrift at the bottom, sure, sack him, but not in their current position, plus in the last 16 of the CL. They are bottom of the form table, have taken one point from 18 in the Premiership and lost five on the spin. That's in between getting knocked out of the FA Cup by Millwall. I think all this hand wringing over Ranieri is daft - they are absolutely rotten and were showing no signs of getting any better. I think it was absolutely inevitable they were going to act - if they go down to the Championship they could be stuck there for years.
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Hagi Bhoy
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25 Feb 2017, 11:36 AM
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- murphio
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They're not currently in the relegation zone though? Them going down is hardly a certainty. If he was flatlining the club and they were 10 points adrift at the bottom, sure, sack him, but not in their current position, plus in the last 16 of the CL.
They are bottom of the form table, have taken one point from 18 in the Premiership and lost five on the spin. That's in between getting knocked out of the FA Cup by Millwall. I think all this hand wringing over Ranieri is daft - they are absolutely rotten and were showing no signs of getting any better. I think it was absolutely inevitable they were going to act - if they go down to the Championship they could be stuck there for years. I think thats pretty much spot on.
I have sympathy for Ranieri after last seasons achievements it's horrible end to a fairy tale tenure but the owners need to think about the long term position of the club. To drop down to the championship a year after winning the premiership would be a disaster and probably taint their win/make them a laughing stock.
Plus, can you imagine all the new contracts dished out to guys like Vardy after winning the EPL last year? It'd be a total firesale and rebuild job.
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Ned Rise
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25 Feb 2017, 11:56 AM
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- Ultra_Fox
- 24 Feb 2017, 01:57 AM
The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?
His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.
Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.
I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.
To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.
Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?
After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.
And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
I can see why they sacked him.
As for how Celtic are perceived in England, I know how the EPL is perceived in my house. I usually find something else to spend my time on.
Leicester did earn their CL place, but so did Celtic who had to negotiate 3 qualifying ties as champions of their country.
Is Celtic treated with 'absolute contempt'? I don't know. I lived in England for a long time, I have English family, it's not the impression I get. But maybe the results of English clubs do resonate around the world. Spurs getting gubbed by Gent, Arsenal getting to one CL final in all their years of trying despite their world cup winners and the riches at their disposal, Man City's continued failures (I liked the days when Man City were wasting time in their own corner flag when they needed a goal to avoid relegation). I could go on, suffice to say English clubs were more dominant in Europe when the competition wasn't weighted in their favour with money. Work that out.
With money comes stupidity and a misplaced sense of your own worth. All you had to do was look at a Man City forum when we played them to see how a lottery win, essentially, can turn people into winkers.
Maybe the money will keep rolling in. But maybe all these moneylaunderers and gloryhunters will get fed up and the arse will fall out of the TV market. And when that happens, Celtic will still be a club with a rich history and a big support. Where will Leicester and Man City be? Back to where they used to be, makeweights, hopping up and down the divisions.
The EPL has ruined football (along with other TV cash-rich countries, as they try to suck up all the wealth for themselves and close off the notion that a smaller team can compete against them.
Leicester might have been a blip but they also spent some hefty cash on their way to their Boys Own story.
As for 'the balance of power shifting' that would suggest that the power was here in the first place. And if and when the day comes when 'the current incumbent succumbs to an offer from south of the border', you needn't worry about it being Leicester.
And Piers Morgan? Who even knows what that carrot does or doesn't think?
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25 Feb 2017, 12:04 PM
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^^^ great post Ned
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25 Feb 2017, 12:17 PM
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Keevins / Young / BFDJ- u r fuds !!
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- Ned Rise
- 25 Feb 2017, 11:56 AM
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- 24 Feb 2017, 01:57 AM
The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?
His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.
Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.
I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.
To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.
Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?
After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.
And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
I can see why they sacked him. As for how Celtic are perceived in England, I know how the EPL is perceived in my house. I usually find something else to spend my time on. Leicester did earn their CL place, but so did Celtic who had to negotiate 3 qualifying ties as champions of their country. Is Celtic treated with 'absolute contempt'? I don't know. I lived in England for a long time, I have English family, it's not the impression I get. But maybe the results of English clubs do resonate around the world. Spurs getting gubbed by Gent, Arsenal getting to one CL final in all their years of trying despite their world cup winners and the riches at their disposal, Man City's continued failures (I liked the days when Man City were wasting time in their own corner flag when they needed a goal to avoid relegation). I could go on, suffice to say English clubs were more dominant in Europe when the competition wasn't weighted in their favour with money. Work that out. With money comes stupidity and a misplaced sense of your own worth. All you had to do was look at a Man City forum when we played them to see how a lottery win, essentially, can turn people into winkers. Maybe the money will keep rolling in. But maybe all these moneylaunderers and gloryhunters will get fed up and the arse will fall out of the TV market. And when that happens, Celtic will still be a club with a rich history and a big support. Where will Leicester and Man City be? Back to where they used to be, makeweights, hopping up and down the divisions. The EPL has ruined football (along with other TV cash-rich countries, as they try to suck up all the wealth for themselves and close off the notion that a smaller team can compete against them. Leicester might have been a blip but they also spent some hefty cash on their way to their Boys Own story. As for 'the balance of power shifting' that would suggest that the power was here in the first place. And if and when the day comes when 'the current incumbent succumbs to an offer from south of the border', you needn't worry about it being Leicester. And Piers Morgan? Who even knows what that carrot does or doesn't think? Well said Ned
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25 Feb 2017, 12:24 PM
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Leicester winning the league was a fantastic achievement however lets not kid ourselves who would want to watch their style of football every week. Packed defences and rely on the break. The minute refs clamped down on blocking within the penalty box they were gubbed as Huth and Morgan were masters at it.
you can be as negative as you wish about Scottish football and what Celtic have achieved in your eyes, the bottom line is football is an entertainment sport and Leicester deserve nothing this season.
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25 Feb 2017, 12:25 PM
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- Ned Rise
- 25 Feb 2017, 11:56 AM
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- 24 Feb 2017, 01:57 AM
The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?
His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.
Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.
I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.
To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.
Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?
After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.
And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
I can see why they sacked him. As for how Celtic are perceived in England, I know how the EPL is perceived in my house. I usually find something else to spend my time on. Leicester did earn their CL place, but so did Celtic who had to negotiate 3 qualifying ties as champions of their country. Is Celtic treated with 'absolute contempt'? I don't know. I lived in England for a long time, I have English family, it's not the impression I get. But maybe the results of English clubs do resonate around the world. Spurs getting gubbed by Gent, Arsenal getting to one CL final in all their years of trying despite their world cup winners and the riches at their disposal, Man City's continued failures (I liked the days when Man City were wasting time in their own corner flag when they needed a goal to avoid relegation). I could go on, suffice to say English clubs were more dominant in Europe when the competition wasn't weighted in their favour with money. Work that out. With money comes stupidity and a misplaced sense of your own worth. All you had to do was look at a Man City forum when we played them to see how a lottery win, essentially, can turn people into winkers. Maybe the money will keep rolling in. But maybe all these moneylaunderers and gloryhunters will get fed up and the arse will fall out of the TV market. And when that happens, Celtic will still be a club with a rich history and a big support. Where will Leicester and Man City be? Back to where they used to be, makeweights, hopping up and down the divisions. The EPL has ruined football (along with other TV cash-rich countries, as they try to suck up all the wealth for themselves and close off the notion that a smaller team can compete against them. Leicester might have been a blip but they also spent some hefty cash on their way to their Boys Own story. As for 'the balance of power shifting' that would suggest that the power was here in the first place. And if and when the day comes when 'the current incumbent succumbs to an offer from south of the border', you needn't worry about it being Leicester. And Piers Morgan? Who even knows what that carrot does or doesn't think? Cracking post. And more should be made of Leicester's owners. Multi millionaires from a country governed by military dictatorship under an autocratic monarchy who forbid any criticism, with a questionable human rights record to boot. I'm sure that Leicester City need this cash far more than the people of Thailand though.
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25 Feb 2017, 12:56 PM
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- 24 Feb 2017, 01:57 AM
The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?
His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.
Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.
I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.
To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.
Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?
After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.
And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
I can see why they sacked him. As for how Celtic are perceived in England, I know how the EPL is perceived in my house. I usually find something else to spend my time on. Leicester did earn their CL place, but so did Celtic who had to negotiate 3 qualifying ties as champions of their country. Is Celtic treated with 'absolute contempt'? I don't know. I lived in England for a long time, I have English family, it's not the impression I get. But maybe the results of English clubs do resonate around the world. Spurs getting gubbed by Gent, Arsenal getting to one CL final in all their years of trying despite their world cup winners and the riches at their disposal, Man City's continued failures (I liked the days when Man City were wasting time in their own corner flag when they needed a goal to avoid relegation). I could go on, suffice to say English clubs were more dominant in Europe when the competition wasn't weighted in their favour with money. Work that out. With money comes stupidity and a misplaced sense of your own worth. All you had to do was look at a Man City forum when we played them to see how a lottery win, essentially, can turn people into winkers. Maybe the money will keep rolling in. But maybe all these moneylaunderers and gloryhunters will get fed up and the arse will fall out of the TV market. And when that happens, Celtic will still be a club with a rich history and a big support. Where will Leicester and Man City be? Back to where they used to be, makeweights, hopping up and down the divisions. The EPL has ruined football (along with other TV cash-rich countries, as they try to suck up all the wealth for themselves and close off the notion that a smaller team can compete against them. Leicester might have been a blip but they also spent some hefty cash on their way to their Boys Own story. As for 'the balance of power shifting' that would suggest that the power was here in the first place. And if and when the day comes when 'the current incumbent succumbs to an offer from south of the border', you needn't worry about it being Leicester. And Piers Morgan? Who even knows what that carrot does or doesn't think?
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25 Feb 2017, 01:14 PM
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but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.
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Manager of Livingston slams Jo Venglos for incompetence.
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Former Celtic striker Mark Burchill has slammed Jo Venglos and reckons the Slovakian wasn't even picking the team while in charge at Parkhead.
Venglos, who was in charge during the 1998/99 season, isn't remembered as a complete disaster and is revered by the Hoops faithful for the recruitment of Lubo Moravcik, Mark Viduka and Johan Mjallby
Burchill emerged through the youth ranks with Celtic and netted 20 league goals in 50 appearances between 1998 and 2001
The former Scotland international - who made the comments during a Celtic supporters podcast - admitted he was unconvinced by Venglos.
"He should not have been the manager, I'm not convinced he was the manager, his name was the manager but I'm not convinced he was picking the team."
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25 Feb 2017, 01:20 PM
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Manager of Livingston slams Jo Venglos for incompetence. - Quote:
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Former Celtic striker Mark Burchill has slammed Jo Venglos and reckons the Slovakian wasn't even picking the team while in charge at Parkhead.
Venglos, who was in charge during the 1998/99 season, isn't remembered as a complete disaster and is revered by the Hoops faithful for the recruitment of Lubo Moravcik, Mark Viduka and Johan Mjallby
Burchill emerged through the youth ranks with Celtic and netted 20 league goals in 50 appearances between 1998 and 2001
The former Scotland international - who made the comments during a Celtic supporters podcast - admitted he was unconvinced by Venglos.
"He should not have been the manager, I'm not convinced he was the manager, his name was the manager but I'm not convinced he was picking the team."
Well whoever wasn't picking Burchill that season is alright by me.
One trick pony, whose trick was easily sussed.
Didn't score 20 league goals for us, either.
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25 Feb 2017, 01:54 PM
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- oneillsrevolution
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Manager of Livingston slams Jo Venglos for incompetence. - Quote:
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Former Celtic striker Mark Burchill has slammed Jo Venglos and reckons the Slovakian wasn't even picking the team while in charge at Parkhead.
Venglos, who was in charge during the 1998/99 season, isn't remembered as a complete disaster and is revered by the Hoops faithful for the recruitment of Lubo Moravcik, Mark Viduka and Johan Mjallby
Burchill emerged through the youth ranks with Celtic and netted 20 league goals in 50 appearances between 1998 and 2001
The former Scotland international - who made the comments during a Celtic supporters podcast - admitted he was unconvinced by Venglos.
"He should not have been the manager, I'm not convinced he was the manager, his name was the manager but I'm not convinced he was picking the team."
He got sacked by Livingston
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25 Feb 2017, 01:59 PM
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- 25 Feb 2017, 01:14 PM
Manager of Livingston slams Jo Venglos for incompetence. - Quote:
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Former Celtic striker Mark Burchill has slammed Jo Venglos and reckons the Slovakian wasn't even picking the team while in charge at Parkhead.
Venglos, who was in charge during the 1998/99 season, isn't remembered as a complete disaster and is revered by the Hoops faithful for the recruitment of Lubo Moravcik, Mark Viduka and Johan Mjallby
Burchill emerged through the youth ranks with Celtic and netted 20 league goals in 50 appearances between 1998 and 2001
The former Scotland international - who made the comments during a Celtic supporters podcast - admitted he was unconvinced by Venglos.
"He should not have been the manager, I'm not convinced he was the manager, his name was the manager but I'm not convinced he was picking the team."
I don't get the implication. What's he getting at? If it wasn't Venglos picking the team then who was it? It was hardly McCann or Brown. Eric Black?
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25 Feb 2017, 02:00 PM
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- Ned Rise
- 25 Feb 2017, 11:56 AM
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The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?
His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.
Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.
I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.
To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.
Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?
After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.
And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
I can see why they sacked him. As for how Celtic are perceived in England, I know how the EPL is perceived in my house. I usually find something else to spend my time on. Leicester did earn their CL place, but so did Celtic who had to negotiate 3 qualifying ties as champions of their country. Is Celtic treated with 'absolute contempt'? I don't know. I lived in England for a long time, I have English family, it's not the impression I get. But maybe the results of English clubs do resonate around the world. Spurs getting gubbed by Gent, Arsenal getting to one CL final in all their years of trying despite their world cup winners and the riches at their disposal, Man City's continued failures (I liked the days when Man City were wasting time in their own corner flag when they needed a goal to avoid relegation). I could go on, suffice to say English clubs were more dominant in Europe when the competition wasn't weighted in their favour with money. Work that out. With money comes stupidity and a misplaced sense of your own worth. All you had to do was look at a Man City forum when we played them to see how a lottery win, essentially, can turn people into winkers. Maybe the money will keep rolling in. But maybe all these moneylaunderers and gloryhunters will get fed up and the arse will fall out of the TV market. And when that happens, Celtic will still be a club with a rich history and a big support. Where will Leicester and Man City be? Back to where they used to be, makeweights, hopping up and down the divisions. The EPL has ruined football (along with other TV cash-rich countries, as they try to suck up all the wealth for themselves and close off the notion that a smaller team can compete against them. Leicester might have been a blip but they also spent some hefty cash on their way to their Boys Own story. As for 'the balance of power shifting' that would suggest that the power was here in the first place. And if and when the day comes when 'the current incumbent succumbs to an offer from south of the border', you needn't worry about it being Leicester. And Piers Morgan? Who even knows what that carrot does or doesn't think?
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25 Feb 2017, 02:02 PM
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The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?
His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.
Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.
I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.
To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.
Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?
After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.
And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
I can see why they sacked him. As for how Celtic are perceived in England, I know how the EPL is perceived in my house. I usually find something else to spend my time on. Leicester did earn their CL place, but so did Celtic who had to negotiate 3 qualifying ties as champions of their country. Is Celtic treated with 'absolute contempt'? I don't know. I lived in England for a long time, I have English family, it's not the impression I get. But maybe the results of English clubs do resonate around the world. Spurs getting gubbed by Gent, Arsenal getting to one CL final in all their years of trying despite their world cup winners and the riches at their disposal, Man City's continued failures (I liked the days when Man City were wasting time in their own corner flag when they needed a goal to avoid relegation). I could go on, suffice to say English clubs were more dominant in Europe when the competition wasn't weighted in their favour with money. Work that out. With money comes stupidity and a misplaced sense of your own worth. All you had to do was look at a Man City forum when we played them to see how a lottery win, essentially, can turn people into winkers. Maybe the money will keep rolling in. But maybe all these moneylaunderers and gloryhunters will get fed up and the arse will fall out of the TV market. And when that happens, Celtic will still be a club with a rich history and a big support. Where will Leicester and Man City be? Back to where they used to be, makeweights, hopping up and down the divisions. The EPL has ruined football (along with other TV cash-rich countries, as they try to suck up all the wealth for themselves and close off the notion that a smaller team can compete against them. Leicester might have been a blip but they also spent some hefty cash on their way to their Boys Own story. As for 'the balance of power shifting' that would suggest that the power was here in the first place. And if and when the day comes when 'the current incumbent succumbs to an offer from south of the border', you needn't worry about it being Leicester. And Piers Morgan? Who even knows what that carrot does or doesn't think? I still reckon when Brendan, a man fully aware of the club he is currently managing, decides it is time to go, it won't be to England.
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25 Feb 2017, 02:33 PM
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..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
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- 25 Feb 2017, 01:14 PM
Manager of Livingston slams Jo Venglos for incompetence. - Quote:
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Former Celtic striker Mark Burchill has slammed Jo Venglos and reckons the Slovakian wasn't even picking the team while in charge at Parkhead.
Venglos, who was in charge during the 1998/99 season, isn't remembered as a complete disaster and is revered by the Hoops faithful for the recruitment of Lubo Moravcik, Mark Viduka and Johan Mjallby
Burchill emerged through the youth ranks with Celtic and netted 20 league goals in 50 appearances between 1998 and 2001
The former Scotland international - who made the comments during a Celtic supporters podcast - admitted he was unconvinced by Venglos.
"He should not have been the manager, I'm not convinced he was the manager, his name was the manager but I'm not convinced he was picking the team."
Tosser.
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25 Feb 2017, 02:34 PM
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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- 25 Feb 2017, 01:14 PM
Manager of Livingston slams Jo Venglos for incompetence. - Quote:
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Former Celtic striker Mark Burchill has slammed Jo Venglos and reckons the Slovakian wasn't even picking the team while in charge at Parkhead.
Venglos, who was in charge during the 1998/99 season, isn't remembered as a complete disaster and is revered by the Hoops faithful for the recruitment of Lubo Moravcik, Mark Viduka and Johan Mjallby
Burchill emerged through the youth ranks with Celtic and netted 20 league goals in 50 appearances between 1998 and 2001
The former Scotland international - who made the comments during a Celtic supporters podcast - admitted he was unconvinced by Venglos.
"He should not have been the manager, I'm not convinced he was the manager, his name was the manager but I'm not convinced he was picking the team."
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his name was the manager
His name was Venglos
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25 Feb 2017, 02:34 PM
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Wasn't burchill sacked last year?
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