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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
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The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?

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No surprise Ranieri was sacked and tbh I don't blame the board for acting; if, that is, they have an alternative in place. They are staring relegation in the face and they have been utterly abysmal this season with no sign of it getting better. You can't afford to stand on sentiment when there is such a huge amount at stake. The Championship is a very difficult league to get out of.
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No-one expected Leicester to be relegation fodder this season. At worst a mid-table finish would have been about their level after their rivals stole their best player and strengthened themselves.

The fall from grace has been dramatic and that's why the board had to act. It's a shame, but better managers have been sacked for less.
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No-one expected Leicester to be relegation fodder this season. At worst a mid-table finish would have been about their level after their rivals stole their best player and strengthened themselves.

The fall from grace has been dramatic and that's why the board had to act. It's a shame, but better managers have been sacked for less.
I thought they would be. Second season syndrome strikes regularly
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The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?

His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.

Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.

I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.

To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.

Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?

After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.

And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
I hope you enjoy Brentford away next season, and then Walsall away the season after that, you absolute plum.
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24 Feb 2017, 01:57 AM
The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?

His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.

Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.

I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.

To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.

Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?

After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.

And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
That Piers Morgan dig though :lol:

Almost the entire country thinks it's an absolute joke and a club that probably could have made a good few bob on marketing itself as the plucky underdog come good has now just become the ungrateful dickheads.

Outside of the actual Leicester fan base no one will want to buy the team strips anymore, kids will no longer select Leicester as their team on FIFA, Jamie Vardy looks like an absolute pumpkin when only 6 months ago he was the golden boy and to top it off all of the other teams and players will likely turn the screw and look to pile on the misery tenfold.

The goodwill has passed. I fully expect Leicester to go down to the championship and remain there for a good few years after this.
Edited by Luca, 24 Feb 2017, 11:53 AM.
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Wonder what he is apparently doing different that turned the players against him? Players probably looking for a scapegoat to hide their own failings

Looks from the outside that the players have just stopped doing all the hard work that made them successful last season
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24 Feb 2017, 10:56 AM
No-one expected Leicester to be relegation fodder this season. At worst a mid-table finish would have been about their level after their rivals stole their best player and strengthened themselves.

The fall from grace has been dramatic and that's why the board had to act. It's a shame, but better managers have been sacked for less.
I stuck a £10 on it - they were 20-1 at the start of the season...

Mid / lower table is where they should be and i imagine most people fully expected them to be. Once you're in that zone in the EPL you are in a relegation battle with 6 or 7 other teams.
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Lot f sentimental guff on here TBH.

UF has a point-Jose gets papped a few months after winning the league and its popping champagne corks on here.

You cant ignore the money-the blow is softened by a multi million pay off, just like a few others hes had.

Managers get far less time in Italy and Spain than they do in the UK.
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24 Feb 2017, 12:17 PM
Lot f sentimental guff on here TBH.

UF has a point-Jose gets papped a few months after winning the league and its popping champagne corks on here.

You cant ignore the money-the blow is softened by a multi million pay off, just like a few others hes had.

Managers get far less time in Italy and Spain than they do in the UK.
Chelsea and Leicester aren't a fit comparison. Mourinho is brought in to a club with one main objective: win the league. Ranieri's main job was probably "keep us up". He's immensely overachieved on that front. He's given Leicester supporters something they couldn't have even dreamed of, but their entitled, small minded attitude is shining through now.
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24 Feb 2017, 11:43 AM
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24 Feb 2017, 01:57 AM
The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?

His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.

Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.

I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.

To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.

Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?

After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.

And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
I hope you enjoy Brentford away next season, and then Walsall away the season after that, you absolute plum.
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24 Feb 2017, 10:56 AM
No-one expected Leicester to be relegation fodder this season. At worst a mid-table finish would have been about their level after their rivals stole their best player and strengthened themselves.

The fall from grace has been dramatic and that's why the board had to act. It's a shame, but better managers have been sacked for less.
I stuck a £10 on it - they were 20-1 at the start of the season...

Mid / lower table is where they should be and i imagine most people fully expected them to be. Once you're in that zone in the EPL you are in a relegation battle with 6 or 7 other teams.
50/1 with bet 365.

11/4 to finish bottom half was buying money.

Edited by Flawless, 24 Feb 2017, 12:25 PM.
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24 Feb 2017, 12:17 PM
Lot f sentimental guff on here TBH.

UF has a point-Jose gets papped a few months after winning the league and its popping champagne corks on here.

You cant ignore the money-the blow is softened by a multi million pay off, just like a few others hes had.

Managers get far less time in Italy and Spain than they do in the UK.
It's almost like folk are more sympathetic to someone who comes across as a decent guy rather than an arrogant, torn faced, cheating, win at all costs arsehole who lost the dressing room through being a total fud.
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Lot f sentimental guff on here TBH.

UF has a point-Jose gets papped a few months after winning the league and its popping champagne corks on here.

You cant ignore the money-the blow is softened by a multi million pay off, just like a few others hes had.

Managers get far less time in Italy and Spain than they do in the UK.
You can think it's a ridiculous decision without really feeling sorry for Ranieri.

He's already a multi-millionaire and will no doubt be getting millions more soon, I don't feel sorry for him, I dunno if other folk do?

The outrage, as far as I can tell, is more because winning the league once seems to have turned the Leicester board, players and fans into a bunch or arrogrant, ungrateful winks.

It's a bit different with Mourinho, folk are glad when something goes against him because of Seville, but also because the guy is a complete pumpkin.
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24 Feb 2017, 10:56 AM
No-one expected Leicester to be relegation fodder this season. At worst a mid-table finish would have been about their level after their rivals stole their best player and strengthened themselves.

The fall from grace has been dramatic and that's why the board had to act. It's a shame, but better managers have been sacked for less.
I stuck a £10 on it - they were 20-1 at the start of the season...

Mid / lower table is where they should be and i imagine most people fully expected them to be. Once you're in that zone in the EPL you are in a relegation battle with 6 or 7 other teams.
50/1 with bet 365.

11/4 to finish bottom half was buying money.

50/1! When did you put that on, I stuck money on them to go down before season started on 365 and only got 18/1
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50/1 with bet 365.

11/4 to finish bottom half was buying money.

50/1! When did you put that on, I stuck money on them to go down before season started on 365 and only got 18/1
It was definitely 50/1

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/leicester-city-relegation-could-cost-bet365-up-to-1m/story-30120494-detail/story.html

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24 Feb 2017, 10:56 AM
No-one expected Leicester to be relegation fodder this season. At worst a mid-table finish would have been about their level after their rivals stole their best player and strengthened themselves.

The fall from grace has been dramatic and that's why the board had to act. It's a shame, but better managers have been sacked for less.
I stuck a £10 on it - they were 20-1 at the start of the season...

Mid / lower table is where they should be and i imagine most people fully expected them to be. Once you're in that zone in the EPL you are in a relegation battle with 6 or 7 other teams.
50/1 with bet 365.

11/4 to finish bottom half was buying money.

'kin hell! You serious!? :cry:
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50/1! When did you put that on, I stuck money on them to go down before season started on 365 and only got 18/1
It was definitely 50/1

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/leicester-city-relegation-could-cost-bet365-up-to-1m/story-30120494-detail/story.html

Imagine you had the double of them winning the title then getting relegated the following season in July 15.
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50/1! When did you put that on, I stuck money on them to go down before season started on 365 and only got 18/1
It was definitely 50/1

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/leicester-city-relegation-could-cost-bet365-up-to-1m/story-30120494-detail/story.html

Well it definitely wasn't 50/1 on the 21st of July which is when I put it on with Bet365. Nowhere near. :suspect:

In fact that article is nonsense. Says at beginning of the season they were 50/1 then the spokesperson from Bet365 actually quoted as saying at beginning of the season they were 16/1.
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The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?

His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.

Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.

I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.

To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.

Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?

After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.

And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
Mate you make some good points but can you not see why some folk think its a bit harsh.

You are correct about the tough task he performed by winning you the premiership. You have a shot at last 8 place in the CL. Does he not deserve a bit of slack ?

I don't wish your club ill-will. But certain players at your club now have to step up to the plate big time. Currently you are NOT in the relegation zone. If you do go down then it can't all be heaped on Ranieri, a man whether you like it or not was a great ambassador for your club.

I have along with most others on here have accepted Celtics current position. But with all due respect, I don't want to be owned some family from the Far East, or a Russian Oligarch, or an American billionaire, none of whom knew where my town was until then one day they switched on a sports channel. Yep we will see the likes of Southampton take many of our best players just now - no doubt about it. But I totally support my clubs current ownership position. In the long term it will be to our benefit.

As for the contempt expressed toward Celtic by pundits South of the Border, those folk have considered Scottish football a joke for decades long before the birth of the Premiership. And these are the same guys that said in 2010 in South Africa that Germany only had two players who would get in the England team. They are the same folk that said Dembele made a mistake in coming here - despite his performances against Man City. I therefore don't really care if look down upon us - it sums up their ignorance.

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