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Managers Thread; Spain sack Lopetegui. Yes, really.
Topic Started: 21 May 2016, 09:07 PM (998,455 Views)
The moch
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greenjedi
23 Feb 2017, 11:14 PM
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23 Feb 2017, 11:07 PM
suzieghirl10
23 Feb 2017, 11:02 PM
I can't remember but my dad told me Jock was discarded for Big Billy and it wasn't a nice scenario. I can't mind as I was only young.
There's a degree of ambiguity about it.

I think Archie McPherson's biography of Jock Stein said that Jock was involved in recruiting Billy so it may have been a bit more complex than Jock being pushed out of the door
The picture of him at the press conference to unveil Billy as the new manager speaks a million sad words never mind a thousand.
There are others of them laughing and joking in that room too, they don't tend to be shared as much. if jock did't want to be there that day then he would't have been. A lot more made of that image than there should be.
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cassidy67
23 Feb 2017, 11:17 PM
What a bunch of ungrateful, back stabbing bastards the Leicester players are. Instead of showing some gratitude towards the manager who helped them win the league and bump up their pay packets they bitch, whine and moan when they don't get their own way. Their stinking attitude sums up all that is wrong with modern football. :nono:
Agree with a lot of this.
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If someone comes in and keeps them up it'll be a good decision.

It's a pity he can't see out his CL campaign but it's a decision driven by money.
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23 Feb 2017, 11:21 PM
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23 Feb 2017, 11:09 PM

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The club didn't mistreat him but a large proportion of the support wanted him gone.
He'd just won the league.
His Celtic credentials were as good as it gets.
Why the outrage on here for Ranieri?
It's different though - there was no way on God's earth that Leicester should have won the league last year, It was an astonishing achievement.

Lennon left a league winner but it was hardly a huge surprise winning that trophy.
I'm not comparing achievements between Ranieri and Lenny.
I'm comparing supporters' and boards' attitudes.
What did Ranieri sacrifice to manage Leicester? What did Lennon sacrifice to manage Celtic?

Also, some think Leicester's achievements are more down to Pearson ( whom I dislike)!than Claudio.

Why the outrage for Ranieri?






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The moch
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The picture of him at the press conference to unveil Billy as the new manager speaks a million sad words never mind a thousand.
There are others of them laughing and joking in that room too, they don't tend to be shared as much. if jock did't want to be there that day then he would't have been. A lot more made of that image than there should be.
you got in before me Moch..... these pics? the other more "famous" one always gets the shout
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The moch
23 Feb 2017, 11:22 PM
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23 Feb 2017, 11:07 PM

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The picture of him at the press conference to unveil Billy as the new manager speaks a million sad words never mind a thousand.
There are others of them laughing and joking in that room too, they don't tend to be shared as much. if jock did't want to be there that day then he would't have been. A lot more made of that image than there should be.
I think Jock might have been ambivalent about the whole thing. 77/78 was a dreadful season and he may have felt that a new manager might have been better placed to do the rebuilding job that was required. I wondered if the car accident might have been a factor although he did take the job at Leeds a few months later
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The moch
23 Feb 2017, 11:22 PM
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23 Feb 2017, 11:14 PM
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The picture of him at the press conference to unveil Billy as the new manager speaks a million sad words never mind a thousand.
There are others of them laughing and joking in that room too, they don't tend to be shared as much. if jock did't want to be there that day then he would't have been. A lot more made of that image than there should be.
Is correct. :thumbsup:
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23 Feb 2017, 11:36 PM
The moch
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There are others of them laughing and joking in that room too, they don't tend to be shared as much. if jock did't want to be there that day then he would't have been. A lot more made of that image than there should be.
you got in before me Moch..... these pics? the other more "famous" one always gets the shout
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there is another one that he used in his own testimonial programme .
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Doubt they will appoint Warbs at Leicester. I'm sure they'll spot he'd want to use it as a stepping stone to bigger things.
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23 Feb 2017, 11:05 PM

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Lennon left out of choice. How did the club mistreat him and how does it compare to Leicester?
The club didn't mistreat him but a large proportion of the support wanted him gone.
He'd just won the league.
His Celtic credentials were as good as it gets.
Why the outrage on here for Ranieri?
Different contexts.

Celtic winning the league is not a huge surprise, few years in a row by the time Lennon left. Not being a Celtic fan I can't really say this without it coming across as a little tetchy but when you're winning the league every year (or every other year when the huns were still breathing) you tend to get used to just winning it and start wanting more, or at least for it not to be boring. If this can't be achieved, yeah probably the manager will go. Whoever comes in next will most likely also win the league.

For Leicester, winning the league as they did is literally one of the biggest, if not the biggest, achievement of their lifetime. If you want a similar context to that, imagine if Jock Stein was sacked after some poor results in 1968, or if Fergie was sacked in the season after Man Utd's treble win.

It's obviously complicated by the fact that yes, relegation battle is more than "some poor results" but we need to look at last season as a bizarre overachievement rather than them now as a horrible underachievement. This season is what we expect of Leicester; clearly the board and the player believed their hype and it's shown them up.

Plus, I hate the notion that relegation is an automatic sacking for any manager. Maybe if relegation is a culmination of many years' decline, but Leicester with Ranieri back in the Championship would've been a great place to regroup (and slap the egos out of any players that stuck around) and rebuild for probable promotion again in a year or two. If Arsene Wenger can be given a decade to win sod all then Ranieri should've been allowed a relegation after achieving what he did.
Edited by Jaggy Bunnet, 23 Feb 2017, 11:47 PM.
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Do sackings even matter at that level anymore.

There is no public disgrace to Ranieri, he gets another shampoo ton of money, he's guaranteed work in a far more aesthetically pleasing location. He's made himself immortal, and now can put his feet up for even more cash.

The team were nosediving and likely to get relegated, if I was Ranieri I'd be dancing a jig all the way to the airport.

And the club were right to sack him, there is so much money now that there are no more victims at that level. They all get rewarded and employed again.
Edited by Gonga, 24 Feb 2017, 12:34 AM.
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The sooner Leicester disappear into obscurity the better.
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Claudio achieved the impossible then gets sacked because Leicester are in their normal position in a relegation fight. However the contrast between this season and last is stark. He was too loyal to players and has basically kept the same back four when they have leaked goals all season. Mahrez and Vardy have hardly broke sweat. Is this down to individual players or the manager? Personally I would have let Claudio stay given what happened last season and the fact they are still in the Champions League. But football these days is nuts and money rules above everything. I think it is likely someone like Pardew will take over. No chance Pearson. By appointing a new manager at this stage of the season they are hoping for the Big Sam affect!! I suppose the writing was on the wall given the dreaded vote of confidence from the owner a few weeks ago.

Leicester are a small provincial club and always will be. Supporters and owners sometimes forget things like this. If you had asked Leicester fans at the start of last season would they have taken winning the league but get relegated the next season I am sure virtually all would have cut their arm off. But there is no logic nor common sense in football. Most football fans never get to experience their team winning the league. That is what Claudio did for Leicester and it is why he should have been allowed to see the season out no matter what happened.
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23 Feb 2017, 11:33 PM
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It's different though - there was no way on God's earth that Leicester should have won the league last year, It was an astonishing achievement.

Lennon left a league winner but it was hardly a huge surprise winning that trophy.
I'm not comparing achievements between Ranieri and Lenny.
I'm comparing supporters' and boards' attitudes.
What did Ranieri sacrifice to manage Leicester? What did Lennon sacrifice to manage Celtic?

Also, some think Leicester's achievements are more down to Pearson ( whom I dislike)!than Claudio.

Why the outrage for Ranieri?






Some think wrong.
Ranieri over his career has taken loads of teams to the brink of winning the league, and finally managed it at Leicester.

Pearson's biggest achievement is not getting a side that went on to win the league relegated.
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Personally I don't condone sacking Ranieri but in the history of poor/ awful managerial replacements or sackings Jupp Heynckes has been sacked or relieved after winning two champions leagues with two different clubs
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Didn't Del Bosque get the chop a matter of days after winning the La Liga title at Real Madrid

As for Ranieri its a shame it's came to this after his achievement of last year.I thought they would have trusted him to get them out of bother this term

Surely the players shoulder some of the blame.for instance Jamie Vardy,he has turned into a Billy big baws, I mean a bloody film about his life getting made,he's been hyped up beyond belief
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The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?

His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.

Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.

I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.

To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.

Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?

After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.

And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
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The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?

His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.

Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.

I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.

To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.

Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?

After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.

And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
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Ranieri will be sitting in his pipe n slippers with a few mill in the bank, eff Leicester hope they go down
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24 Feb 2017, 01:57 AM
The sacking had to happen. At many of Ranieri's previous clubs it would have happened months ago. Why the faux outrage here, when Ancelotti, Mourinho (twice!) and Mancini have all been treated similarly in the recent past?

His record this season has been inexcusable - 3 away points out of 39 and a total of ZERO goals in our last 6 league games, together with a less than glorious cup exit to a 10-man third-tier club. No employment tribunal on the planet would have found in his favour.

Instead he takes yet another lottery-win payoff, which he will undoubtedly use to enrich still further his already-extensive European property portfolio.

I don't buy this shampoo being spouted about my club being somehow in its "natural" position. Why should I, when I look at clubs like Stoke, Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Swansea, all with lesser achievements, playing squads and resources - outperforming us this season? Martin O'Neill never accepted the notion of a ceiling either - and he managed Leicester when it was a far smaller club than it is today.

To those who snipe, whinge and squeal about our Champions League grouping, let's not forget that we EARNED that by finishing top of a league containing many of the richest clubs on earth. With all due respect to the hoops, it's a slightly tougher task than having to negotiate a way past the likes of Ross, Hamilton and Kilmarnock.

Like it or not, unless and until Celtic become a force in Europe again, it can set as many records as it likes and still be treated with absolute contempt outwith Scotland and its own diaspora. The current incumbent knows that. But will he have the patience to stick with the project until it bears fruit, or will he succumb to an offer from south of the border?

After all, the balance of power has shifted significantly in the last 15 years. Celtic are no longer in a position to poach players or managers from established English Premier clubs. Nor will they be able to do so for the foreseeable future.

And that of course, is the root of all the envy, bitterness and resentment expressed toward the English on here. But I can cope with that. I'm not the one siding with the likes of Piers Morgan on the question of Ranieri.
Serious question why do you come onto a Celtic forum? You are a complete troll.
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