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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,700 Views)
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With teams going ultra defensive against us at CP it might be an idea to work on set pieces a bit more? I dunno, maybe the stats aren't as bad as it seems but it seems we don't do much from corners and free kicks.
Not sure if you’re being ultra, ultra subtle there, and I’m about to walk into the vortex of a mega woooosh, but no: it’s not just you: Celtic’s set pieces are woefull, regardless of who we’re playing and how they set up. Throw in’s, corners, free kicks - you seldom see a move that’s obviously ‘straight off the training ground’, it’s as if the players make it up as they go along. For a management team otherwise forensic in their preparation and attention to detail, it seems like a glaring omission!
I'm just wary of someone producing a stat which shows 40% of our goals have come from short free kicks or something similar.

Also it seems so obvious as to be banal. Clearly it's something BR has considered. Maybe a journalist could ask him what he thinks of it.
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With teams going ultra defensive against us at CP it might be an idea to work on set pieces a bit more? I dunno, maybe the stats aren't as bad as it seems but it seems we don't do much from corners and free kicks.
Not sure if you’re being ultra, ultra subtle there, and I’m about to walk into the vortex of a mega woooosh, but no: it’s not just you: Celtic’s set pieces are woefull, regardless of who we’re playing and how they set up. Throw in’s, corners, free kicks - you seldom see a move that’s obviously ‘straight off the training ground’, it’s as if the players make it up as they go along. For a management team otherwise forensic in their preparation and attention to detail, it seems like a glaring omission!
I'm just wary of someone producing a stat which shows 40% of our goals have come from short free kicks or something similar.

Also it seems so obvious as to be banal. Clearly it's something BR has considered. Maybe a journalist could ask him what he thinks of it.
When we won 3-2 at Ibrox Rogic took an absolute belter of a corner and (I think) Dembele very nearly scored from a header, it ended up another corner from the same side so Rogic took it again and played it short and nothing came from it. Corner from the same side a few minutes later, McGregor went out to take it and hit a shampooer. Stuff like that is so infuriating and puzzling.

It's not just Celtic, in so many games you watch players doing stupid stuff from corners and free kicks.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepultra subtle there, and I’m about to walk into the vortex of a mega woooosh, but no: it’s not just you: Celtic’s set pieces are woefull, regardless of who we’re playing and how they set up. Throw in’s, corners, free kicks - you seldom see a move that’s obviously ‘straight off the training ground’, it’s as if the players make it up as they go along. For a management team otherwise forensic in their preparation and attention to detail, it seems like a glaring omission!
I'm just wary of someone producing a stat which shows 40% of our goals have come from short free kicks or something similar.

Also it seems so obvious as to be banal. Clearly it's something BR has considered. Maybe a journalist could ask him what he thinks of it.
When we won 3-2 at Ibrox Rogic took an absolute belter of a corner and (I think) Dembele very nearly scored from a header, it ended up another corner from the same side so Rogic took it again and played it short and nothing came from it. Corner from the same side a few minutes later, McGregor went out to take it and hit a shampooer. Stuff like that is so infuriating and puzzling.

It's not just Celtic, in so many games you watch players doing stupid stuff from corners and free kicks.
Is there some stat out there that shows if we take so many of a certain type of corner it results in more expected goal chances or something? I know Strachan seemed to use that sort of reasoning to defend zonal marking.
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When we won 3-2 at Ibrox Rogic took an absolute belter of a corner and (I think) Dembele very nearly scored from a header, it ended up another corner from the same side so Rogic took it again and played it short and nothing came from it. Corner from the same side a few minutes later, McGregor went out to take it and hit a shampooer. Stuff like that is so infuriating and puzzling.

It's not just Celtic, in so many games you watch players doing stupid stuff from corners and free kicks.
Is there some stat out there that shows if we take so many of a certain type of corner it results in more expected goal chances or something? I know Strachan seemed to use that sort of reasoning to defend zonal marking.
I would assume you score more from an inswinging corner than outswinger. Much harder to defend and easier to attack imo.

Not a fan of outswingers.

And don’t start me on short corners.
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When we won 3-2 at Ibrox Rogic took an absolute belter of a corner and (I think) Dembele very nearly scored from a header, it ended up another corner from the same side so Rogic took it again and played it short and nothing came from it. Corner from the same side a few minutes later, McGregor went out to take it and hit a shampooer. Stuff like that is so infuriating and puzzling.

It's not just Celtic, in so many games you watch players doing stupid stuff from corners and free kicks.
Is there some stat out there that shows if we take so many of a certain type of corner it results in more expected goal chances or something? I know Strachan seemed to use that sort of reasoning to defend zonal marking.
I dunno, probably is I suppose.

My point is more - when a team are as disorganised defensively as the huns are and you've just nearly scored from a direct cross at a corner, the best plan is probably to keep them under as much pressure as possible by getting a direct cross at them again.
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Although he’s a natural goal scorer, and reacts quickly on a loose ball, Griffiths should take our corners. Just a pity he’s seldom on the bloody park during the first 65 mins. He hits it with spin and pace, the opposition aren’t keen on the delivery because it can go anywhere if they don’t get a good connection on it.

Don’t know how many we’ve scored this season from set play, but it won’t be many. Work on it Celtic.
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Is there some stat out there that shows if we take so many of a certain type of corner it results in more expected goal chances or something? I know Strachan seemed to use that sort of reasoning to defend zonal marking.
I would assume you score more from an inswinging corner than outswinger. Much harder to defend and easier to attack imo.

Not a fan of outswingers.

And don’t start me on short corners.
Short corners frustrate the life out me.

I would hook players off that take them
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I have done some extensive research (by googling 'short corners effective?') and this Telegraph article came up

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/11/10/short-corners-may-be-widely-despised-but-they-are-helping-teams/

Which seems to suggest we're overplaying the success of corners anyway (well in the EPL at least) as a good thing when rarely do they result in a goal these days.
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11 May 2018, 02:09 PM
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Is there some stat out there that shows if we take so many of a certain type of corner it results in more expected goal chances or something? I know Strachan seemed to use that sort of reasoning to defend zonal marking.
I dunno, probably is I suppose.

My point is more - when a team are as disorganised defensively as the huns are and you've just nearly scored from a direct cross at a corner, the best plan is probably to keep them under as much pressure as possible by getting a direct cross at them again.
We've not got guys who are that good at heading.
Hendry just missed a sitter - nothing wrong with the set play.
Ajer has missed a few, even Dembele & Boyata.

Boyata finally got a good one last week & it was clearly worked on in the training ground.
I think we do work on them, it's just that we're not very good at them.

Players probably have a choice to mix it up a bit, we don't seem to have set in stone set-piece takers - unless Griffith is playing?
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Is there some stat out there that shows if we take so many of a certain type of corner it results in more expected goal chances or something? I know Strachan seemed to use that sort of reasoning to defend zonal marking.
I would assume you score more from an inswinging corner than outswinger. Much harder to defend and easier to attack imo.

Not a fan of outswingers.

And don’t start me on short corners.
I despise outswinging corners. 9 times out of 10 you’ll need to win two headers to have an attempt on goal.
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I would assume you score more from an inswinging corner than outswinger. Much harder to defend and easier to attack imo.

Not a fan of outswingers.

And don’t start me on short corners.
Short corners frustrate the life out me.

I would hook players off that take them
Managers do instruct players to take short corners from time to time. They won't hook players applying their tactics.
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I would assume you score more from an inswinging corner than outswinger. Much harder to defend and easier to attack imo.

Not a fan of outswingers.

And don’t start me on short corners.
I despise outswinging corners. 9 times out of 10 you’ll need to win two headers to have an attempt on goal.
Would disagree with this, it's about the quality of delivery. Take Napoli's winner v Juve for example. Plenty on that outswinger.

Outswingers are perhaps harder to get good pace and action on but the trade off would be that they are harder for the goalie to come and get.
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11 May 2018, 01:12 PM
With teams going ultra defensive against us at CP it might be an idea to work on set pieces a bit more? I dunno, maybe the stats aren't as bad as it seems but it seems we don't do much from corners and free kicks.
I'm more concerned about our recovery of the ball in the non big games.

We make it easy on the opposition by coasting and playing without any intensity. It allows well drilled teams to get into their shape and leaves us pretty blunt.
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Is there some stat out there that shows if we take so many of a certain type of corner it results in more expected goal chances or something? I know Strachan seemed to use that sort of reasoning to defend zonal marking.
I would assume you score more from an inswinging corner than outswinger. Much harder to defend and easier to attack imo.

Not a fan of outswingers.

And don’t start me on short corners.
Short corners are supposed to attract defenders out from the box and to widen the angle for crosses. Ours tend to end up at Gordon's feet. :(
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11 May 2018, 01:00 PM
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11 May 2018, 11:55 AM
Steve Clarke now having a pop over BRs firemen comment


Steve Clarke is spot on.

The Kilmarnock manager told Press Association Sport: If you look at the majority of what Brendan said, it was correct and proper - but that (firefighter) line wasn't really befitting of a Celtic manager.
It wasn't so much disrespectful, it was just a silly line to use in what was quite an honest post-match analysis of the game.
We don't have to go there and play the way Celtic want us to.
We went there to play the way that is best for us to get a result. It's my job as a manager to set my players up in a way that gives us the best chance of getting a positive result and that's what we did.
If you are the team with 73 per cent of the possession then it's what you do with it that counts and on the night Celtic didn't do enough.
They only had one shot on target, which for that amount of possession I'd think would be disappointing for Brendan and his team.
If he wants to insinuate that Celtic could not have broken down 11 amateur players, which is what he was insinuating, then I think he underestimates his own abilities as a coach and the ability of his players because I'm pretty sure Celtic would beat 11 firemen.
I didn't see Brendan after the game, we didn't have the usual post-match chat so I don't know if he was frustrated or not after the results we've had against them this year.
I don't think he should be too frustrated seeing as they have two trophies in the bag already and the chance to make it three next week.
Maybe I misread Rodgers' comments, but I thought he said that it's hard enough to create chances against 11 non-footballer as long as they're organised, let alone against 11 well organised professional footballers. I took it as a compliment that Killie were both organised, and (somewhat) talented. :ponder:
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I really hope there isnt one comment about budgets next year in Europe when we havent managed to beat Steve effing Clarke in a single game this season.
You know it's coming.

It's like effing clockwork. :lol:
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Is there some stat out there that shows if we take so many of a certain type of corner it results in more expected goal chances or something? I know Strachan seemed to use that sort of reasoning to defend zonal marking.
I would assume you score more from an inswinging corner than outswinger. Much harder to defend and easier to attack imo.

Not a fan of outswingers.

And don’t start me on short corners.
:thumbsup:

A fair bit of outswingers go out the park first. Waste of time. As for bringing your big defenders up and then going short :ffs: :ffs:
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Short corners frustrate the life out me.

I would hook players off that take them
Managers do instruct players to take short corners from time to time. They won't hook players applying their tactics.
I get that.

Sack the managers that instruct it too.
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Short corners, when done correctly, are better than the usual standard cross.
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Managers do instruct players to take short corners from time to time. They won't hook players applying their tactics.
I get that.

Sack the managers that instruct it too.
Naw... I like Brendan !
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