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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
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Who said he had the audacity to get injured. It happens with quite a few centre halves we sign going all the way back to Mick McCarthy & Paul Elliott ?

He was signed to steady the defence and surely the idea would be to give him game time between now and the end of the season, so he is ready for CL qualifiers. The fact that he is unable to make the bench and the defence has been far from secure - the clean sheets don't tell the full story of how the back 4 has played - suggests all is not well with this particular player.

Disagree if you wish.
Except from the fact the actual manager has said, "I’ll make a change if I don’t like the way we’re playing" in relation to Compper's situation.

So in short, don't trust his words here, but take his words on Musonda rather more literally. I've seen how this works.
Where have I quoted the manager ? If there is an issue with the player do you think BR's going to say it at a media conference ?

If the centre of defence was steady and consistent, I could get him not starting. The very fact that it is regularly chopped and changed, hasn't looked all that secure yet Compper still can't get on the bench suggests to me all is not well. Time will tell.
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Heard a story about his behaviour in Dubai. Not repeatable. Dismissed it as nonsense but I wonder. :ponder:
Brendan certainly has his ruthless side, if he thinks a person isn't equipped to be Celtic standard.

Never giving Kris Commons a minutes game, after his disrespect to the Club & staff. Brendan apparently told Ronny that Kris would never play for him, turned out to be true.

Anything disrespectful seems to be met by Brendan's cold shoulder.
Makes sense mate. You look at how he warned Griffiths so publicly when Griffiths was being an absolute banger off the park. Griffiths was lucky his career at Celtic wasn't ended there and then. Thankfully he screwed the nut and he's not looked back.

Difference with Commper is you are buying a supposedly experienced defender to lead your youngsters. Brendan is well quoted on the players living their life as the ultimate pro off the park too. I just don't believe the stuff about not giving him game time as we are at the business end now. From the 10th of July we will have 8 games in 8 weeks that will shape our season. Commper is either put into the team now or as suggested above I doubt he will be here for those games. I personally don't think Hendry is anywhere near ready for those games - or if he ever will be.
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Except from the fact the actual manager has said, "I’ll make a change if I don’t like the way we’re playing" in relation to Compper's situation.

So in short, don't trust his words here, but take his words on Musonda rather more literally. I've seen how this works.
Where have I quoted the manager ? If there is an issue with the player do you think BR's going to say it at a media conference ?

If the centre of defence was steady and consistent, I could get him not starting. The very fact that it is regularly chopped and changed, hasn't looked all that secure yet Compper still can't get on the bench suggests to me all is not well. Time will tell.
You haven't. I have. At length, to show what the manager has said about Compper within literally the last five days.

I believe he used a press conference to go right through Griffiths, so it's not as if it would be the first time. I just wonder why no one can take those comments at face value but want to frequently mention the Musonda quotes and treat them like Gospel. It's a genuine curiosity to me on how some people like to paint things.

Whatever your issues with the defence, they've conceded 1 goal in four games despite a change of goalkeeper, Tierney's injury, and whatever else. Generally, they have also conceded less league goals to this point than the 106 point winning unbeaten season.

Rodgers currently prefers Ajer, is probably how this can be best summed up. It reminds me a bit of the stuff about Simunovic "never playing for the club again" after failing to play in Astana in August (go look it up if you don't believe me) despite him back in the line up within literally two games.

It just strikes me as a bit OTT.
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Where have I quoted the manager ? If there is an issue with the player do you think BR's going to say it at a media conference ?

If the centre of defence was steady and consistent, I could get him not starting. The very fact that it is regularly chopped and changed, hasn't looked all that secure yet Compper still can't get on the bench suggests to me all is not well. Time will tell.
You haven't. I have. At length, to show what the manager has said about Compper within literally the last five days.

I believe he used a press conference to go right through Griffiths, so it's not as if it would be the first time. I just wonder why no one can take those comments at face value but want to frequently mention the Musonda quotes and treat them like Gospel. It's a genuine curiosity to me on how some people like to paint things.

Whatever your issues with the defence, they've conceded 1 goal in four games despite a change of goalkeeper, Tierney's injury, and whatever else. Generally, they have also conceded less league goals to this point than the 106 point winning unbeaten season.

Rodgers currently prefers Ajer, is probably how this can be best summed up. It reminds me a bit of the stuff about Simunovic "never playing for the club again" after failing to play in Astana in August (go look it up if you don't believe me) despite him back in the line up within literally two games.

It just strikes me as a bit OTT.
I take press conference answers with a pinch of salt. BR said he didn't want three strikers and then went out and got Edouard three weeks later. If there are concerns behind the scenes about Compper i don't believe he would air them at a presser.

Given that I suspect that Boyata and Siumonic won't be here next season, I don't think Compper was signed as a Gamboa type squad player. Of the central defence, only Ajer is playing at an acceptable standard with every Celtic supporter I know saying that both Jozo and Boyata are miles of the form they showed this time last year. Hendry has been inconsistent. Yet Compper is struggling to get on the bench.

I suspect that something's not right.
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Compper was signed to go straight into the first team and add experience to the central defence, the downside was he couldn't play in Europe, which was quite a downside really.
I don't think we would have bought him in June, but for a relatively small outlay it made some sense.

Something has happened behind the scenes - touched on by a few posters on here, but he has contributed nothing to Celtic this season so far, the injury probably hid that for a while.
It will come out in the wash, always does.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNo effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.
It's ludicrous. No player who has never set foot in Scotland before or met any of his new teammates should need a bedding in time. It just sounds as if you're trying to out-moan every other moany carrot on the thread like there's a prize for setting a record :lol:
That's not the point I was trying to make though. It was making a comparison between the assumed readiness. If a player, any player, can be ready enough to play first team football for Chelsea one week, it's not unreasonable to expect he'd also be ready to play first team football for Celtic. There's a lot of people now saying he needs time to bed in and it feels like those comments are mostly trying to deflect criticism from the boss for not playing him but it's perfectly valid criticism and it's perfectly reasonable to ask questions around why he isn't getting more time.

He got a sub appearance right after joining and then got a start the next week, so it's clear Brendan thought he was ready (and makes a mockery of the bedding in time comments). Instead of just allowing the valid line of questioning around why Brendan leaves him on the bench in a game where we're creating next to bugger all against lowly Hamilton, it's excuses from all sides. Anything to ensure we don't ask difficult questions of the boss.

We're paying the guy a fortune and he signed this boy - who we're also paying a fortune to by all accounts - and the speed at which people seem to want to shut down any perceived criticism is taking the piss a bit.

We don´t have to make excuses for Brendan Rogers. Like you, BR expected Musonda to hit the ground running. But hey. Musonda is human, and so is BR, so he didnt hit the ground running as expected, So BR has decided he needs more time. What exactly is the problem with that?
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Compper was signed to go straight into the first team and add experience to the central defence, the downside was he couldn't play in Europe, which was quite a downside really.
I don't think we would have bought him in June, but for a relatively small outlay it made some sense.

Something has happened behind the scenes - touched on by a few posters on here, but he has contributed nothing to Celtic this season so far, the injury probably hid that for a while.
It will come out in the wash, always does.
Is, I suspect, the correct answer
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Heard a story about his behaviour in Dubai. Not repeatable. Dismissed it as nonsense but I wonder. :ponder:
Brendan certainly has his ruthless side, if he thinks a person isn't equipped to be Celtic standard.

Never giving Kris Commons a minutes game, after his disrespect to the Club & staff. Brendan apparently told Ronny that Kris would never play for him, turned out to be true.

Anything disrespectful seems to be met by Brendan's cold shoulder.
I get what you mean but griffiths was publicly disrespecting him at firhill and survived :ponder:
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here then = I’ll make a change if I don’t like the way we’re playing
quicker the better Brendan.

these aren’t fitness games we’re playing...We need to pick a team that gets the results.
so he does he get fit? As you said it was only Ross C and Dundee so low risk.
You've managed to pick the one quote that doesn't mention Compper. :lol:

The way it seems to me someone like Rodgers works unlike, say, Martin O'Neill for example, is not to play centre halves in attacking full back positions for games against 10th or 12th place teams like Dundee or Ross County at home. Especially someone who is likely to have even less knowledge of how we build attacks on the flanks in game situations, when we are likely to be pummelling those areas.

He might do it for very different reasons for games like Sevco at Ibrox, as per Ajer, especially when his first choice right back is suspended.

Compper might end up another Gamboa. I think people fear this is where it is going and are using that as a lead indicator.

I just think it is a bit premature to be doing so though, because of everything that tends to apply to this period of the season, and Compper's lack of availability until March.
The fitness games quote was about Compper? And we didn’t exactly pummel anyone down the flanks those games. Wish to eff we did or would sometime though.

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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNo effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.
That's not the point I was trying to make though. It was making a comparison between the assumed readiness. If a player, any player, can be ready enough to play first team football for Chelsea one week, it's not unreasonable to expect he'd also be ready to play first team football for Celtic. There's a lot of people now saying he needs time to bed in and it feels like those comments are mostly trying to deflect criticism from the boss for not playing him but it's perfectly valid criticism and it's perfectly reasonable to ask questions around why he isn't getting more time.

He got a sub appearance right after joining and then got a start the next week, so it's clear Brendan thought he was ready (and makes a mockery of the bedding in time comments). Instead of just allowing the valid line of questioning around why Brendan leaves him on the bench in a game where we're creating next to bugger all against lowly Hamilton, it's excuses from all sides. Anything to ensure we don't ask difficult questions of the boss.

We're paying the guy a fortune and he signed this boy - who we're also paying a fortune to by all accounts - and the speed at which people seem to want to shut down any perceived criticism is taking the piss a bit.

We don´t have to make excuses for Brendan Rogers. Like you, BR expected Musonda to hit the ground running. But hey. Musonda is human, and so is BR, so he didnt hit the ground running as expected, So BR has decided he needs more time. What exactly is the problem with that?
No problem with that, that’s the point. It’s the rush to infer Musonda wasn’t brought in as an immediate starter, a 10, but was brought in early to give a bedding in period. It looks like Brendan expected him to make more of an impact straight away; the money and time spent pursuing this guy backs that up, and now it hasn’t quite happened (yes, it’s early, yes, it might yet happen) I think it’s fair that people get a bit aggravated over it. We really needed a boost to the team’s creativity and thought this was going to be it. 3 months down the line, we’re still waiting.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNo effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.
We don´t have to make excuses for Brendan Rogers. Like you, BR expected Musonda to hit the ground running. But hey. Musonda is human, and so is BR, so he didnt hit the ground running as expected, So BR has decided he needs more time. What exactly is the problem with that?
No problem with that, that’s the point. It’s the rush to infer Musonda wasn’t brought in as an immediate starter, a 10, but was brought in early to give a bedding in period. It looks like Brendan expected him to make more of an impact straight away; the money and time spent pursuing this guy backs that up, and now it hasn’t quite happened (yes, it’s early, yes, it might yet happen) I think it’s fair that people get a bit aggravated over it. We really needed a boost to the team’s creativity and thought this was going to be it. 3 months down the line, we’re still waiting.
Rogic and Roberts are back, and they need gametime more than Musonda. Looking back, Roberts showed flashes under Ronny, but exploded on to the scene the following season. Musonda could well do the same, but that can wait as we have our flair players back again and they have a chance to make history don’t forget.

It’s largely the same squad that could win back to back trebles. And the players who have been most important during this last 2 years are going to be picked first. I think most managers would do the same, there is some level of loyalty awarded to players who have done the hard work. And it keeps the value up of anyone that may be leaving.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNo effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.
We don´t have to make excuses for Brendan Rogers. Like you, BR expected Musonda to hit the ground running. But hey. Musonda is human, and so is BR, so he didnt hit the ground running as expected, So BR has decided he needs more time. What exactly is the problem with that?
No problem with that, that’s the point. It’s the rush to infer Musonda wasn’t brought in as an immediate starter, a 10, but was brought in early to give a bedding in period. It looks like Brendan expected him to make more of an impact straight away; the money and time spent pursuing this guy backs that up, and now it hasn’t quite happened (yes, it’s early, yes, it might yet happen) I think it’s fair that people get a bit aggravated over it. We really needed a boost to the team’s creativity and thought this was going to be it. 3 months down the line, we’re still waiting.
Exactly. It just didn't happen the way everyone hoped. We can get aggravated all we want but that doesn't change things. It's nobody's fault. Not Brendan's, not Musonda's. It just didn't happen, at least not as quickly as we hoped.
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He has already seen off Mark Warburton and Pedro Caixinha at Hampden.

C'mon Brendan, set another record.
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BBC Sport Scotland saying he is on a 4 man shortlist for the Chelsea job.

On the day of a massive match, nothings changed there then.
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BBC Sport Scotland saying he is on a 4 man shortlist for the Chelsea job.

On the day of a massive match, nothings changed there then.
It’s from the Sunday Express
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BBC Sport Scotland saying he is on a 4 man shortlist for the Chelsea job.

On the day of a massive match, nothings changed there then.
It’s from the Sunday Express
I just seen the headline on BBC sport twitter feed.

Wasn't aware it was just paper talk.
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