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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,735 Views)
allthewine
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which wingers are out of form have BR stuck with? Forrest have been one of our best players this season. Sinclair is our topscorer both in terms of goals and assists in the league, he hasn't hit last years numbers but still more than ok.

You don't drop a player like Sinclair just because he doesn't reach double numbers before xmas - Musonda needs to show that he earns the spot, which he hasn't when on the pitch - the same goes for Roberts, he needs to show that he deserves the place ahead of Forrest
Sinclair has been out of form for months...out with a cross on Sunday against a ten man Hamilton accies team.

He has Musonda or Robert (back mid February) who could have played but keep Sinclair involved when way off form.


How can Musonda show his worth if he does not even get a sniff.

Forrest has played very well this season. The other wing has been the problem.
Why does it matter that they had 10 men? It was some cross.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deeps are out of form have BR stuck with? Forrest have been one of our best players this season. Sinclair is our topscorer both in terms of goals and assists in the league, he hasn't hit last years numbers but still more than ok.

You don't drop a player like Sinclair just because he doesn't reach double numbers before xmas - Musonda needs to show that he earns the spot, which he hasn't when on the pitch - the same goes for Roberts, he needs to show that he deserves the place ahead of Forrest
Sinclair has been out of form for months...out with a cross on Sunday against a ten man Hamilton accies team.

He has Musonda or Robert (back mid February) who could have played but keep Sinclair involved when way off form.


How can Musonda show his worth if he does not even get a sniff.

Forrest has played very well this season. The other wing has been the problem.
Why does it matter that they had 10 men? It was some cross.
it matters because traditionally with 10 men flair players a la wingers tend to have more space and since new year anytime he has played against 11 he has underperformed.

It matters to do it against 11 players thats why.
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tbh. I think musonda was signed on an 18 month deal to give him 6 months to get up to speed with next season being the target.

Commper, might just be a case of someone taking longer to settle in than expected. I'll judge him when he starts playing...

Both are yet to prove Brendan Rodgers either right or wrong in their acquisition.
I think Commper will be punted before we see him play again.
What a farce if true.
And now this will become gospel.
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No effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.

The Commper thing is just puzzling as well. If Mikey's prediction proves true, it'll be a total embarassment.
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No effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.

The Commper thing is just puzzling as well. If Mikey's prediction proves true, it'll be a total embarassment.
piss off
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No effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.

The Commper thing is just puzzling as well. If Mikey's prediction proves true, it'll be a total embarassment.
piss off
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Worst polyglot we've ever signed.
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No effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.

The Commper thing is just puzzling as well. If Mikey's prediction proves true, it'll be a total embarassment.
piss off
You piss off
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNo effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.
You piss off
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He signed someone who had a pedigree that indicated he was more than good enough for the SPL. That he's then not played him is surely (and *subsequently*) good judgement? If he's not up to speed in training, would you prefer that he played him anyway just to justify the fee we spent on him? Better managers than BR have signed players and then not got as much out of them as you might hope for. de Maria at Man U, Sevchenko at Chelski, Veron at Man U, Forlan at Man U (bit of a theme here)

We're skooshing the league and on our way to 10IAR - take a minute to see a positive somewhere. Yes, our hit rate with new signings could be better but we're still doing alright
Plus we are not in any position to just drop players for long stretches if they have actual sell on value.

The ones who may want out at the end of the season could have their value lowered significantly if we try sell them while they are languishing on the bench.

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Same on Sunday please gaffer

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No effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.

The Commper thing is just puzzling as well. If Mikey's prediction proves true, it'll be a total embarassment.
piss off
You piss off
It's ludicrous. No player who has never set foot in Scotland before or met any of his new teammates should need a bedding in time. It just sounds as if you're trying to out-moan every other moany carrot on the thread like there's a prize for setting a record :lol:
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Why does it matter that they had 10 men? It was some cross.
it matters because traditionally with 10 men flair players a la wingers tend to have more space and since new year anytime he has played against 11 he has underperformed.

It matters to do it against 11 players thats why.
I disagree, mate. It was a superb cross.
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it matters because traditionally with 10 men flair players a la wingers tend to have more space and since new year anytime he has played against 11 he has underperformed.

It matters to do it against 11 players thats why.
I disagree, mate. It was a superb cross.
Fair enough it was but I dont think he has done it often enough in games that count this season.

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I disagree, mate. It was a superb cross.
Fair enough it was but I dont think he has done it often enough in games that count this season.

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He hasn't :)

Let's hope that changes on, Sunday.
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The patter that Musonda was signed for next year to allow this “untested “ figure to bed in for 6 months is absolute pish, clearly dreamt up to excuse Rodgers from the usual suspects.

It was practically a bukake party on here the day he signed. It was all blockbuster statements, even the club PR people and Rodgers himself got in on it.
The club employs PR people to hype up these things. It's literally their job.

Musonda clearly has a lot of raw potential but maybe he's a bit off being ready to start consistently. It's taken Ntcham most of the season to be trusted to start every game, for example. Sometimes we have to be patient.
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The patter that Musonda was signed for next year to allow this “untested “ figure to bed in for 6 months is absolute pish, clearly dreamt up to excuse Rodgers from the usual suspects.

It was practically a bukake party on here the day he signed. It was all blockbuster statements, even the club PR people and Rodgers himself got in on it.
The club employs PR people to hype up these things. It's literally their job.

Musonda clearly has a lot of raw potential but maybe he's a bit off being ready to start consistently. It's taken Ntcham most of the season to be trusted to start every game, for example. Sometimes we have to be patient.
Yes but Ntcham was starting in CL qualifiers and demonstrating both ability and potential to improve.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepNo effing player who gets a game for the Chelsea first team the week prior to signing for us should need any 'bedding in' time.
You piss off
It's ludicrous. No player who has never set foot in Scotland before or met any of his new teammates should need a bedding in time. It just sounds as if you're trying to out-moan every other moany carrot on the thread like there's a prize for setting a record :lol:
That's not the point I was trying to make though. It was making a comparison between the assumed readiness. If a player, any player, can be ready enough to play first team football for Chelsea one week, it's not unreasonable to expect he'd also be ready to play first team football for Celtic. There's a lot of people now saying he needs time to bed in and it feels like those comments are mostly trying to deflect criticism from the boss for not playing him but it's perfectly valid criticism and it's perfectly reasonable to ask questions around why he isn't getting more time.

He got a sub appearance right after joining and then got a start the next week, so it's clear Brendan thought he was ready (and makes a mockery of the bedding in time comments). Instead of just allowing the valid line of questioning around why Brendan leaves him on the bench in a game where we're creating next to bugger all against lowly Hamilton, it's excuses from all sides. Anything to ensure we don't ask difficult questions of the boss.

We're paying the guy a fortune and he signed this boy - who we're also paying a fortune to by all accounts - and the speed at which people seem to want to shut down any perceived criticism is taking the piss a bit.

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The patter that Musonda was signed for next year to allow this “untested “ figure to bed in for 6 months is absolute pish, clearly dreamt up to excuse Rodgers from the usual suspects.

It was practically a bukake party on here the day he signed. It was all blockbuster statements, even the club PR people and Rodgers himself got in on it.
The club employs PR people to hype up these things. It's literally their job.

Musonda clearly has a lot of raw potential but maybe he's a bit off being ready to start consistently. It's taken Ntcham most of the season to be trusted to start every game, for example. Sometimes we have to be patient.
Yes but Ntcham was starting in CL qualifiers and demonstrating both ability and potential to improve.
Musonda wasn't available for the CL qualifiers so I'm not sure that's a valid comparison. Mind you, he did make a telling contribution against Zenit. I'm not sure how you can say Musdona hasn't shown either ability or the potential to improve either. Surely the reason he's come here on loan is that he has ability but needs to be developed further?
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Yes but Ntcham was starting in CL qualifiers and demonstrating both ability and potential to improve.
Musonda wasn't available for the CL qualifiers so I'm not sure that's a valid comparison. Mind you, he did make a telling contribution against Zenit. I'm not sure how you can say Musdona hasn't shown either ability or the potential to improve either. Surely the reason he's come here on loan is that he has ability but needs to be developed further?
He had a great pass against Zenit. Oh and a stepover against Hearts. Apart from that zip.

You made the comparison with Ntcham. He was in the starting eleven straight away.

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