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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,736 Views)
Kingslim
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The team will be a continual work in progress given the type of players we target.

Team I agree wil be what you sayl KS.

That aside the full performance level has been chronic and football not great to watch. I will be blitzed and cheering on the team after th SC final when we hopefully do the treble but I find his full recruitment policy a biit off piste with justification.

I apprciate we are a revoling door club in terms of players coming in & moving on if they do well BUT him not playing players he buys and sticking by players under performing no matter if SAF or Brendan Rodgers IMO is strnage behaviuor for a manager.

He obv. sees what we see and he cannot be happy either surely? So then I question his stubborness.

We are winning just now but only just. Ill take wins all day but he is spedning money and being paid big money to have a tesam pleasing ont he eye and playing a certain way.

Ill take wins all day and Im all for increwased competiton but surely cannot be denied we have regressed?
Has been pretty poor this season overall.

I’m on a moaning sabbatical at the moment or would get tore right in :lol:
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Team I agree wil be what you sayl KS.

That aside the full performance level has been chronic and football not great to watch. I will be blitzed and cheering on the team after th SC final when we hopefully do the treble but I find his full recruitment policy a biit off piste with justification.

I apprciate we are a revoling door club in terms of players coming in & moving on if they do well BUT him not playing players he buys and sticking by players under performing no matter if SAF or Brendan Rodgers IMO is strnage behaviuor for a manager.

He obv. sees what we see and he cannot be happy either surely? So then I question his stubborness.

We are winning just now but only just. Ill take wins all day but he is spedning money and being paid big money to have a tesam pleasing ont he eye and playing a certain way.

Ill take wins all day and Im all for increwased competiton but surely cannot be denied we have regressed?
Has been pretty poor this season overall.

I’m on a moaning sabbatical at the moment or would get tore right in :lol:
:lol:

Reading back..my typos are vastly gaining self legendary status in my own brain!!!

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Is it not Congerton that should be getting the bulk of the flak for the supposed sub-par recruitment? The fact is, we are still playing with what is a pre-BR era team most weeks.

It is also a team that is coming to the end of its cycle. A lot of people if they had their way would have had quite a few of our team punted the minute Deila left, so for BR to take them to 5 out of 5 domestic trophies, a record breaking domestic run and eek the consistency out of them that he has in two seasons is more than decent.

Always felt MON, Strachan and Lennon's eras' ended the way they did because they became too attached to the same core of players who inevitably aged or lost the edge to compete in Scotland. Sincerely hope that this summer sees us making the changes and freshening up that might be required to see us through the challenges of the next few years.
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Has been pretty poor this season overall.

I’m on a moaning sabbatical at the moment or would get tore right in :lol:
:lol:

Reading back..my typos are vastly gaining self legendary status in my own brain!!!

:doh:

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I told you what Rodgers said. And I never mentioned 5 central defenders but you keep making stuff up to pretend all is well.

His recruitment over that past three transfer windows has been poor. Bury your head all you want.
In this past window, it's only really been poor if you've decided you don't rate a good number of players that you've seen half a dozen times or less. Sitting in judgment on Bain, Hendry, Compper and Musonda at this point is beyond mental. Just dig out an old Lustig thread from 12/13 if you don't believe me.

What is likely a bigger problem is if you've already made your mind up in advance of them even coming to Celtic that they are not good enough. Which seems to be the bigger problem in all honesty.

Then your own bias has simply been confirmed, because they were never good enough in your eyes in the first place.

I’d never heard of Compper. I liked the idea of him as we needed an experienced left sided defender. My fear was his lack of games in the recent past so felt the theory might be better than the real thing. That is how it has looked so far.

Musonda was the box office signing. Was trumpeted as so by Celtic. Unfortunately he has been more Justice League than The Greatest showman so far. He might make it next season but given the money, the hype and what I’ve seen in his few appearances, he’s been poor bar 1 great pass. And Scott Allan had one of them for us. He has played in la Liga and EPL but can’t hack it in our team which is not functioning anywhere near 100%. So far it looks like a poor signing. Next year it might not. And then he’ll be gone.

Bain - I was happy with as a back up goal keeper and actually said I hoped he would replace DeVries. Who is cack and was signed by...

Hendry - I don’t rate. That may be bias to you but I saw him playing for Dundee and he never stood out. I’ve now seen him play for us and he still doesn’t impress me. If he did, I would say so as ICGAF about being wrong.
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Yet the manager says the Jan window is key for settling team for CL qualifiers.
So I guess it's lucky there's every chance there'll be five central defenders well in the door by then eh?

First it was he can't play in Europe THIS season. Then it was it's because he is not playing NOW. Now in light of a load of evidence of truly howling January central defensive pick ups, your concern is the CL qualifiers NEXT season?

Ok.
We sign a 34 year old central defender who can't even make the bench when at times the centre of defence has been all over the place. The others you mention at least made the bench when they weren't injured (Du Wei excepted) . I also don't think their terms would be as generous as Compper's. I think those looking at Compper's signinghave a right to question what on earth is going on.
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I think BR was , like most of us, hoping that Musonda and Comperr would make an immediate impact. They haven't so he has changed his thinking and looking at a slightly longer term approach. Why are some people having a problem with that?
Because it suggests a serious error in judgement on the part of whoever decided to bring them in.
A serious error in judgement,,,,,because they are taking more than one game to make an impact? :nono:
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So I guess it's lucky there's every chance there'll be five central defenders well in the door by then eh?

First it was he can't play in Europe THIS season. Then it was it's because he is not playing NOW. Now in light of a load of evidence of truly howling January central defensive pick ups, your concern is the CL qualifiers NEXT season?

Ok.
We sign a 34 year old central defender who can't even make the bench when at times the centre of defence has been all over the place. The others you mention at least made the bench when they weren't injured (Du Wei excepted) . I also don't think their terms would be as generous as Compper's. I think those looking at Compper's signinghave a right to question what on earth is going on.
Why do you keep adding years to a player's actual age? Come August the guy will be 40.

Compper is 32. He will be 33 in June. But he's currently 32, just like you are whatever age you are right now, and not what you will be on your next birthday.

He was first available for Morton at home. That's the source of a lot people's irritation with him by the way, quite aside from anything else. The guy had the audacity to get injured when it was perceived we needed a centre half. The shame. Well, that, and the dullard Kris Commons-for-brains argument that it was pointless because he couldn't play against Zenit. :cuckoo:

The manager then decided not to play him in our biggest league game of the season, away at Ibrox. Not sure he would have been the only one doing that.

Since then we have played four games, he's been on the bench once at Motherwell where the emphasis was on making subs to change the 11 v 10 situation in our favour. Since that Hun match our woefully abhorrent defence have conceded ONE goal. One.

Someone will really need to explain the level of scrutiny to me over this, because this is basically the long and the short of the entire thing, over a sample of literally six games of football. It is effing mental.
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I think BR was , like most of us, hoping that Musonda and Comperr would make an immediate impact. They haven't so he has changed his thinking and looking at a slightly longer term approach. Why are some people having a problem with that?
Because it suggests a serious error in judgement on the part of whoever decided to bring them in.
A serious error in judgement,,,,,because they are taking more than one game to make an impact? :nono:
What exactly is 'long term' about Compper? He was signed to plug a hole and hasn't been able to do it.
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We sign a 34 year old central defender who can't even make the bench when at times the centre of defence has been all over the place. The others you mention at least made the bench when they weren't injured (Du Wei excepted) . I also don't think their terms would be as generous as Compper's. I think those looking at Compper's signinghave a right to question what on earth is going on.
Why do you keep adding years to a player's actual age? Come August the guy will be 40.

Compper is 32. He will be 33 in June. But he's currently 32, just like you are whatever age you are right now, and not what you will be on your next birthday.

He was first available for Morton at home. That's the source of a lot people's irritation with him by the way, quite aside from anything else. The guy had the audacity to get injured when it was perceived we needed a centre half. The shame. Well, that, and the dullard Kris Commons-for-brains argument that it was pointless because he couldn't play against Zenit. :cuckoo:

The manager then decided not to play him in our biggest league game of the season, away at Ibrox. Not sure he would have been the only one doing that.

Since then we have played four games, he's been on the bench once at Motherwell where the emphasis was on making subs to change the 11 v 10 situation in our favour. Since that Hun match our woefully abhorrent defence have conceded ONE goal. One.

Someone will really need to explain the level of scrutiny to me over this, because this is basically the long and the short of the entire thing, over a sample of literally six games of football. It is effing mental.
I’ll bite.

He has not had any chance to show us if he(Compper) is indeed better( that is the point myself and 2/3 other are making) than the error induced gaffe prone Boyata , off form Jozo, Hendry - young granted but looks far from anywhere what we need defensively at this time, Ajer is the only one doing well but pace is a concern for me.


The point is the gaffer is superb at what he does but his signing policy is questionable which makes it all the more confusing.

You surely must see that?

Otherwise its just going round in circles.
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tbh. I think musonda was signed on an 18 month deal to give him 6 months to get up to speed with next season being the target.

Commper, might just be a case of someone taking longer to settle in than expected. I'll judge him when he starts playing...

Both are yet to prove Brendan Rodgers either right or wrong in their acquisition.
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tbh. I think musonda was signed on an 18 month deal to give him 6 months to get up to speed with next season being the target.

Commper, might just be a case of someone taking longer to settle in than expected. I'll judge him when he starts playing...

Both are yet to prove Brendan Rodgers either right or wrong in their acquisition.
Yes he was given 6 months to get up to speed. He was on the bench about 10 minutes after he signed, brought on and started the next game. He hasn't delivered so far and his appearances from bench have dwindled.

This means a narrative has developed that he was signed for next year. He wasn't. We wouldn't pay those wages otherwise.
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Why do you keep adding years to a player's actual age? Come August the guy will be 40.

Compper is 32. He will be 33 in June. But he's currently 32, just like you are whatever age you are right now, and not what you will be on your next birthday.

He was first available for Morton at home. That's the source of a lot people's irritation with him by the way, quite aside from anything else. The guy had the audacity to get injured when it was perceived we needed a centre half. The shame. Well, that, and the dullard Kris Commons-for-brains argument that it was pointless because he couldn't play against Zenit. :cuckoo:

The manager then decided not to play him in our biggest league game of the season, away at Ibrox. Not sure he would have been the only one doing that.

Since then we have played four games, he's been on the bench once at Motherwell where the emphasis was on making subs to change the 11 v 10 situation in our favour. Since that Hun match our woefully abhorrent defence have conceded ONE goal. One.

Someone will really need to explain the level of scrutiny to me over this, because this is basically the long and the short of the entire thing, over a sample of literally six games of football. It is effing mental.
I’ll bite.

He has not had any chance to show us if he(Compper) is indeed better( that is the point myself and 2/3 other are making) than the error induced gaffe prone Boyata , off form Jozo, Hendry - young granted but looks far from anywhere what we need defensively at this time, Ajer is the only one doing well but pace is a concern for me.


The point is the gaffer is superb at what he does but his signing policy is questionable which makes it all the more confusing.

You surely must see that?

Otherwise its just going round in circles.
He doesn't see things the way you see them. Frankly, given he's the experienced manager I am rather glad about that.

I'll continue to criticise Rodgers over frankly daft tactics at times, particularly in Europe. And the recent flat performances are pretty much a given, despite the impending title and potential Double Treble.

This Compper stuff on the other hand is tedious. He's been available for six games because of injury. It's not exactly an open and shut case.
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tbh. I think musonda was signed on an 18 month deal to give him 6 months to get up to speed with next season being the target.

Commper, might just be a case of someone taking longer to settle in than expected. I'll judge him when he starts playing...

Both are yet to prove Brendan Rodgers either right or wrong in their acquisition.
I think Commper will be punted before we see him play again.
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tbh. I think musonda was signed on an 18 month deal to give him 6 months to get up to speed with next season being the target.

Commper, might just be a case of someone taking longer to settle in than expected. I'll judge him when he starts playing...

Both are yet to prove Brendan Rodgers either right or wrong in their acquisition.
I think Commper will be punted before we see him play again.
Don’t tell forza :lol:
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tbh. I think musonda was signed on an 18 month deal to give him 6 months to get up to speed with next season being the target.

Commper, might just be a case of someone taking longer to settle in than expected. I'll judge him when he starts playing...

Both are yet to prove Brendan Rodgers either right or wrong in their acquisition.
I think Commper will be punted before we see him play again.
Your opinion or in the know?
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tbh. I think musonda was signed on an 18 month deal to give him 6 months to get up to speed with next season being the target.

Commper, might just be a case of someone taking longer to settle in than expected. I'll judge him when he starts playing...

Both are yet to prove Brendan Rodgers either right or wrong in their acquisition.
I think Commper will be punted before we see him play again.
What a farce if true.
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I’ll bite.

He has not had any chance to show us if he(Compper) is indeed better( that is the point myself and 2/3 other are making) than the error induced gaffe prone Boyata , off form Jozo, Hendry - young granted but looks far from anywhere what we need defensively at this time, Ajer is the only one doing well but pace is a concern for me.


The point is the gaffer is superb at what he does but his signing policy is questionable which makes it all the more confusing.

You surely must see that?

Otherwise its just going round in circles.
He doesn't see things the way you see them. Frankly, given he's the experienced manager I am rather glad about that.

I'll continue to criticise Rodgers over frankly daft tactics at times, particularly in Europe. And the recent flat performances are pretty much a given, despite the impending title and potential Double Treble.

This Compper stuff on the other hand is tedious. He's been available for six games because of injury. It's not exactly an open and shut case.
Tedious is you not accepting the compper signing is baffling.

6 games right enough but he was the marquee defensive signing January and cannot even get a place on the bench at times in front of hendry who has played approximately 40 spfl games and looks looks nowhere near the finished experienced defender we need albeit he has time on his side the bhoy and the gaffe error prone boyata ffs.

Anyway im out you horse on.

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The patter that Musonda was signed for next year to allow this “untested “ figure to bed in for 6 months is absolute pish, clearly dreamt up to excuse Rodgers from the usual suspects.

It was practically a bukake party on here the day he signed. It was all blockbuster statements, even the club PR people and Rodgers himself got in on it.
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