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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,739 Views)
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10 Apr 2018, 03:54 PM
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10 Apr 2018, 03:28 PM
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10 Apr 2018, 03:24 PM
Why are people so happy to dismiss the potential contributions of players acquired in some cases between 70 and 100 days ago? :cuckoo: This place is an absolute shambles right now.

The message given out to the support was that we were signing first team ready players. We chased Musonda for two transfer windows. £45k a week for a guy who can't get a game. People are perfectly entitled to ask questions.

Maybe they will cut the mustard next season. There are no signs of it so far for Compper, Musonda or Hendry. And I'd include £2.8m Eboue from Jan 17.
An absolutely chronic level of short termism, even by the standards of this place.
Short termism? Musonda is only here for a season and a bit FFS :lol:
Edited by Hail!Hail!, 10 Apr 2018, 09:37 PM.
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Musonda was signed as a number 10. His signing coincided with our first choice number 10 returning from and injury and putting good performances in. Musonda will get his chance.
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Musonda will do just fine for us.
He's a kid and needs bedded in. He'd have to be very good to dislodge Tam in the 10 role right now anyway
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Musonda will do just fine for us.
He's a kid and needs bedded in. He'd have to be very good to dislodge Tam in the 10 role right now anyway
What about at the weekend there when Rogic wasn't even in the squad and we were creating shag all?
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I think BR was , like most of us, hoping that Musonda and Comperr would make an immediate impact. They haven't so he has changed his thinking and looking at a slightly longer term approach. Why are some people having a problem with that?
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10 Apr 2018, 11:44 PM
I think BR was , like most of us, hoping that Musonda and Comperr would make an immediate impact. They haven't so he has changed his thinking and looking at a slightly longer term approach. Why are some people having a problem with that?
Because we needed players to improve the starting XI immediately.
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Will carrots be happy if we do the treble again?
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11 Apr 2018, 01:28 AM
Will carrots be happy if we do the treble again?
For a while
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10 Apr 2018, 09:54 PM
Musonda was signed as a number 10. His signing coincided with our first choice number 10 returning from and injury and putting good performances in. Musonda will get his chance.
Aye we’re in the business of hiring a backup on 45k pw alright.

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Radagast
10 Apr 2018, 09:54 PM
Musonda was signed as a number 10. His signing coincided with our first choice number 10 returning from and injury and putting good performances in. Musonda will get his chance.
Aye we’re in the business of hiring a backup on 45k pw alright.

Mate, we're minted. Calm down. Brendan's just doing this to show how much he can afford to spend on a reserve player and wind up der hun :lol:
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10 Apr 2018, 11:44 PM
I think BR was , like most of us, hoping that Musonda and Comperr would make an immediate impact. They haven't so he has changed his thinking and looking at a slightly longer term approach. Why are some people having a problem with that?
Because it suggests a serious error in judgement on the part of whoever decided to bring them in.
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9 Apr 2018, 03:20 PM
Going to be a nuclear explosion of pish and scheidt in here on the day we lose a game domestically that actually matters.
Should we just keep quiet as long as we aren't losing though? Is that the right attitude to have when BR has said himself he wants improvement year on year.

I think now its fair to have a moan about what we are watching. Its been dreadful, laboured and inconsistent for most of the season and doesn't look like changing. Although if we can finish with a flourish by taking maximum points over the next 5 games as well as winning the double treble, it may help to erase the above pishy, inconsistent performances from my memory. (Although I do concede that the history books will only show a double treble, which is really all that will matter in 30 years time.)

I'm not panicking either, I just feel the football on show and the amount of dropped points, would have cost us, if there was any sort of half decent challenge. Although we aren't losing games every few weeks, we are still dropping points, I can accept it against decent, tough opposition, but some of our dropped points are against the train wrecks at the bottom of the table.

TB's 95 season for example, we lost 1 game but drew 11 or something like that, which lost us the league title and would have stopped the huns from matching Jocks record.(granted it was done on the back of BOS loans, never repaid)

I know the table looks different now, and even at the time I didn't feel we were in a title race, but we were slowly getting sucked into the fringes of a title race, only 4 weeks ago. With our resources, we should have been miles ahead of a 2nd placed Sevco, giving how bad a season they have had, especially at home.

I know they(huns) don't exactly have the most stable squad or leadership in place, but rewind 2 seasons, we had the gutless in Malmo and clueless in the boardroom banners. Most of our support wanting the whole team sold and the manager(RD) replaced. RD was shipped out and in came a manager of stature, who only really brought in Sinclair and Dembele to an RD team and within a few weeks we were pumping the huns 5-1 and knocking 7 shades of shampoo out of everyone in the SPFL.

I don't think it should be just taken for granted, that even with the gulf in budgets between ourselves and them, that with a half decent manager and a couple of quality signings, they could mount a challenge or at least improve their points tally by 8-12 margin, which would take them to within touching distance to our season tally so far.

We shouldn't be so accepting of complacency, especially now that we have the chance to kill off our nearest rivals for years to come.

P.S. Sorry for the length of the post :)


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kellybhoy
10 Apr 2018, 11:44 PM
I think BR was , like most of us, hoping that Musonda and Comperr would make an immediate impact. They haven't so he has changed his thinking and looking at a slightly longer term approach. Why are some people having a problem with that?
Because it suggests a serious error in judgement on the part of whoever decided to bring them in.
That he's signed two players who didn't have the impact that he had hoped for? Jesus, let me find a bridge to launch myself off of. :cuckoo:
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11 Apr 2018, 01:28 AM
Will carrots be happy if we do the treble again?
Aye until we get beat in a meaningless pre season friendly then it'll be we will never qualify for the champions league patter.
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kellybhoy
10 Apr 2018, 11:44 PM
I think BR was , like most of us, hoping that Musonda and Comperr would make an immediate impact. They haven't so he has changed his thinking and looking at a slightly longer term approach. Why are some people having a problem with that?
Because it suggests a serious error in judgement on the part of whoever decided to bring them in.
That he's signed two players who didn't have the impact that he had hoped for? Jesus, let me find a bridge to launch myself off of. :cuckoo:
Whilst I think some of the posts have lost all sense of perspective (calls for Neil Lennon to come back next season) in the past 15 months we've signed around 9 or 10 players. N'tcham looks good, Edouard has done fine (although I still wouldn't pay £8M for him) Bain is an improvement as back up keeper.

Jury is still out on Hendry who has had good games and not so good ones.

That leaves six others who have so far done nothing to justify their signing - Compper, Musonda, Eboue, Hayes, Benyu and Roberts. You can point to bad luck with injuries in the case of Roberts and Hayes (although the latter had only just started to improve after a very slow start) but its hardly a stellar strike rate in terms of bringing players in.

Are people that wrong to question the recruitment strategy that has seen only one player become a first choice starter ?
Edited by Corky Buczek, 11 Apr 2018, 07:05 PM.
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That he's signed two players who didn't have the impact that he had hoped for? Jesus, let me find a bridge to launch myself off of. :cuckoo:
Whilst I think some of the posts have lost all sense of perspective (calls for Neil Lennon to come back next season) in the past 15 months we've signed around 9 or 10 players. N'tcham looks good, Edouard has done fine (although I still wouldn't pay £8M for him) Bain is an improvement as back up keeper.

Jury is still out on Hendry who has had good games and not so good ones.

That leaves six others who have so far done nothing to justify their signing - Compper, Musonda, Eboue, Hayes, Benyu and Roberts. You can point to bad luck with injuries in the case of Roberts and Hayes (although the latter had only just started to improve after a very slow start) but its hardly a stellar strike rate in terms of bringing players in.

Are people that wrong to question the recruitment strategy that has seen only one player become a first choice starter ?
Sound points mate but it is hard sometimes to tell who is or isn't a first choice starter. (Apart from a couple of obvious ones.)
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Apart from this being about the players BR has signed, it's about the ones coming back from being on loan in the summer as well.

Does the board invest more money in players?
Yes they probably will but what happens to the fringe players and the loanees returning. How many does he keep, how many does he get rid off how many does he need to buy.

The ones he buys do they go straight into the team or do the ones, like Comper & Musonda, already waiting for their chnace now get it?

I suppose that's why it's not easy being a manager and why he gets paid the big bucks to do it.
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11 Apr 2018, 04:23 PM
Ned Rise
9 Apr 2018, 03:20 PM
Going to be a nuclear explosion of pish and scheidt in here on the day we lose a game domestically that actually matters.
Should we just keep quiet as long as we aren't losing though? Is that the right attitude to have when BR has said himself he wants improvement year on year.

I think now its fair to have a moan about what we are watching. Its been dreadful, laboured and inconsistent for most of the season and doesn't look like changing. Although if we can finish with a flourish by taking maximum points over the next 5 games as well as winning the double treble, it may help to erase the above pishy, inconsistent performances from my memory. (Although I do concede that the history books will only show a double treble, which is really all that will matter in 30 years time.)

I'm not panicking either, I just feel the football on show and the amount of dropped points, would have cost us, if there was any sort of half decent challenge. Although we aren't losing games every few weeks, we are still dropping points, I can accept it against decent, tough opposition, but some of our dropped points are against the train wrecks at the bottom of the table.

TB's 95 season for example, we lost 1 game but drew 11 or something like that, which lost us the league title and would have stopped the huns from matching Jocks record.(granted it was done on the back of BOS loans, never repaid)

I know the table looks different now, and even at the time I didn't feel we were in a title race, but we were slowly getting sucked into the fringes of a title race, only 4 weeks ago. With our resources, we should have been miles ahead of a 2nd placed Sevco, giving how bad a season they have had, especially at home.

I know they(huns) don't exactly have the most stable squad or leadership in place, but rewind 2 seasons, we had the gutless in Malmo and clueless in the boardroom banners. Most of our support wanting the whole team sold and the manager(RD) replaced. RD was shipped out and in came a manager of stature, who only really brought in Sinclair and Dembele to an RD team and within a few weeks we were pumping the huns 5-1 and knocking 7 shades of shampoo out of everyone in the SPFL.

I don't think it should be just taken for granted, that even with the gulf in budgets between ourselves and them, that with a half decent manager and a couple of quality signings, they could mount a challenge or at least improve their points tally by 8-12 margin, which would take them to within touching distance to our season tally so far.

We shouldn't be so accepting of complacency, especially now that we have the chance to kill off our nearest rivals for years to come.

P.S. Sorry for the length of the post :)


It’s not having any particularly close rivals on the pitch that is a major cause of complacency.

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11 Apr 2018, 08:55 PM
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11 Apr 2018, 04:23 PM
Ned Rise
9 Apr 2018, 03:20 PM
Going to be a nuclear explosion of pish and scheidt in here on the day we lose a game domestically that actually matters.
Should we just keep quiet as long as we aren't losing though? Is that the right attitude to have when BR has said himself he wants improvement year on year.

I think now its fair to have a moan about what we are watching. Its been dreadful, laboured and inconsistent for most of the season and doesn't look like changing. Although if we can finish with a flourish by taking maximum points over the next 5 games as well as winning the double treble, it may help to erase the above pishy, inconsistent performances from my memory. (Although I do concede that the history books will only show a double treble, which is really all that will matter in 30 years time.)

I'm not panicking either, I just feel the football on show and the amount of dropped points, would have cost us, if there was any sort of half decent challenge. Although we aren't losing games every few weeks, we are still dropping points, I can accept it against decent, tough opposition, but some of our dropped points are against the train wrecks at the bottom of the table.

TB's 95 season for example, we lost 1 game but drew 11 or something like that, which lost us the league title and would have stopped the huns from matching Jocks record.(granted it was done on the back of BOS loans, never repaid)

I know the table looks different now, and even at the time I didn't feel we were in a title race, but we were slowly getting sucked into the fringes of a title race, only 4 weeks ago. With our resources, we should have been miles ahead of a 2nd placed Sevco, giving how bad a season they have had, especially at home.

I know they(huns) don't exactly have the most stable squad or leadership in place, but rewind 2 seasons, we had the gutless in Malmo and clueless in the boardroom banners. Most of our support wanting the whole team sold and the manager(RD) replaced. RD was shipped out and in came a manager of stature, who only really brought in Sinclair and Dembele to an RD team and within a few weeks we were pumping the huns 5-1 and knocking 7 shades of shampoo out of everyone in the SPFL.

I don't think it should be just taken for granted, that even with the gulf in budgets between ourselves and them, that with a half decent manager and a couple of quality signings, they could mount a challenge or at least improve their points tally by 8-12 margin, which would take them to within touching distance to our season tally so far.

We shouldn't be so accepting of complacency, especially now that we have the chance to kill off our nearest rivals for years to come.

P.S. Sorry for the length of the post :)


It’s not having any particularly close rivals on the pitch that is a major cause of complacency.

Like last season?
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11 Apr 2018, 04:23 PM
Ned Rise
9 Apr 2018, 03:20 PM
Going to be a nuclear explosion of pish and scheidt in here on the day we lose a game domestically that actually matters.
Should we just keep quiet as long as we aren't losing though? Is that the right attitude to have when BR has said himself he wants improvement year on year.

I think now its fair to have a moan about what we are watching. Its been dreadful, laboured and inconsistent for most of the season and doesn't look like changing. Although if we can finish with a flourish by taking maximum points over the next 5 games as well as winning the double treble, it may help to erase the above pishy, inconsistent performances from my memory. (Although I do concede that the history books will only show a double treble, which is really all that will matter in 30 years time.)

I'm not panicking either, I just feel the football on show and the amount of dropped points, would have cost us, if there was any sort of half decent challenge. Although we aren't losing games every few weeks, we are still dropping points, I can accept it against decent, tough opposition, but some of our dropped points are against the train wrecks at the bottom of the table.

TB's 95 season for example, we lost 1 game but drew 11 or something like that, which lost us the league title and would have stopped the huns from matching Jocks record.(granted it was done on the back of BOS loans, never repaid)

I know the table looks different now, and even at the time I didn't feel we were in a title race, but we were slowly getting sucked into the fringes of a title race, only 4 weeks ago. With our resources, we should have been miles ahead of a 2nd placed Sevco, giving how bad a season they have had, especially at home.

I know they(huns) don't exactly have the most stable squad or leadership in place, but rewind 2 seasons, we had the gutless in Malmo and clueless in the boardroom banners. Most of our support wanting the whole team sold and the manager(RD) replaced. RD was shipped out and in came a manager of stature, who only really brought in Sinclair and Dembele to an RD team and within a few weeks we were pumping the huns 5-1 and knocking 7 shades of shampoo out of everyone in the SPFL.

I don't think it should be just taken for granted, that even with the gulf in budgets between ourselves and them, that with a half decent manager and a couple of quality signings, they could mount a challenge or at least improve their points tally by 8-12 margin, which would take them to within touching distance to our season tally so far.

We shouldn't be so accepting of complacency, especially now that we have the chance to kill off our nearest rivals for years to come.

P.S. Sorry for the length of the post :)


Agree with a lot of what you're saying, I just think there's been some extreme reactions in a season where we've rarely lost, even when not playing well. It's not been an exciting season compared to a lot of the football of last year, but I think there are mitigating factors.

There's that old saying about not playing well but winning being the sign of a good team. I think there are plenty of reasons for it and obviously I want to get back on a good winning run asap, and banging in the goals again.

I think if we win a potential 7 games in a row and do it with a bit of panache, it will change the overall view of the season quite a bit. Tbh, though, I'll be happy to slug it out though for the treble, any which way, and then get back a bit of flair next year.
Edited by Ned Rise, 11 Apr 2018, 10:32 PM.
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