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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,746 Views)
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Whilst there is justified disappointment with many of our performances this season, some of the entitlement on here is staggering. Yes we are much richer than the competition, but that did not enable Lennon or Deila to win a treble, let alone two. We have been up for, and won, every domestic game we had to win. That's an incredible level of performance.

Europe has been poor, but getting there in the first place should not be taken for granted. We need to improve once we are there, but doubtless Rodgers knows this and wants more success as much as the rest of us.

It's fair enough to criticise the team and manager for some of our games this season, but no need to go off the deep end.
Agree with all of this.
You cant have it both ways though.

You cant state that we cant compete in Europe because of finances, then say finances dont matter as much when trying to excuse poor domestic performances. We are also have the most resources by far of any team we are likely to face in European qualifiers.
Not all of our games in Europe were terrible. We played very well away to Anderlecht, at home to Bayern and at home to Zenit. We also knocked out Astana who are a decent enough team and Rosenborg.

Would Bayern fans be moaning that, because they're superrich, they only managed to beat us 2-1 in a game where they were lucky to get the three points? Or would they acknowledge that sometimes football's like that?

While it wasn't particularly inspiring the other night, Celtic created plenty of chances. The difference is that we failed to do what we did quite a few times last year and nick that one-goal win. Obviously it's a concern that it's happening quite a bit, but if any of those multiple chances go in then the narrative is completely different. The application and workrate could have been exactly the same, yet on another night we bang in two or three and are talking about a comfortable win.

I think that might be along the lines of what Rodgers is talking about in his post-match interviews. If we're not creating chances, that's when it's really a problem. Some of our finishing is poor and same with our decision making, but it doesn't mean there's a lack of effort, or whatever.

People on here go from one extreme to the other (not directing all of these points at you btw). Rodgers has faced tests and answered questions, not least at Pittodrie and Ibrox with 10 men. Aye, his substitutions the other night were disappointing as I would like to have seen Roberts and or Musonda on, but the three players he did bring on have either had good season or have delivered at important times. Talk of bringing in Neil Lennon (who I like) in the summer after another potential treble is absolute crazy talk.

I know I'll always remember that terrible season where we got into the CL again, got into the Europa League and (hopefull) stumbled towards a historic double treble. Aye, but the football wasn't as scintillating as last year, so it can get tae eff.
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RE: Mulgrew's comments.

Aren't football players supposed to enjoy playing effing football?

Wanting to eventually step up a level is a separate issue, day to day you'd expect them to actually enjoy being out of the field playing. Its no excuse, Larsson looked just as delighted scoring against Livingston as he did in the Champions League.
Scoring is one thing but being a player and maintaining 100% motivation and concentration for 60 games in a season, year after year will take its toll. Even those of us lucky enough to enjoy our jobs know there are days and weeks you put in 'good enough' effort. We all know players are paid loads, they should be giving 100% etc but in reality it doesn't happen at this level.
60 games a season is 90 hours over 9 months.
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You cant have it both ways though.

You cant state that we cant compete in Europe because of finances, then say finances dont matter as much when trying to excuse poor domestic performances. We are also have the most resources by far of any team we are likely to face in European qualifiers.
I know I'll always remember that terrible season where we got into the CL again, got into the Europa League and (hopefull) stumbled towards a historic double treble. Aye, but the football wasn't as scintillating as last year, so it can get tae eff.
:lol: That genuinely made me laugh out load :thumbsup:
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You cant have it both ways though.

You cant state that we cant compete in Europe because of finances, then say finances dont matter as much when trying to excuse poor domestic performances. We are also have the most resources by far of any team we are likely to face in European qualifiers.
Not all of our games in Europe were terrible. We played very well away to Anderlecht, at home to Bayern and at home to Zenit. We also knocked out Astana who are a decent enough team and Rosenborg.

Would Bayern fans be moaning that, because they're superrich, they only managed to beat us 2-1 in a game where they were lucky to get the three points? Or would they acknowledge that sometimes football's like that?

While it wasn't particularly inspiring the other night, Celtic created plenty of chances. The difference is that we failed to do what we did quite a few times last year and nick that one-goal win. Obviously it's a concern that it's happening quite a bit, but if any of those multiple chances go in then the narrative is completely different. The application and workrate could have been exactly the same, yet on another night we bang in two or three and are talking about a comfortable win.

I think that might be along the lines of what Rodgers is talking about in his post-match interviews. If we're not creating chances, that's when it's really a problem. Some of our finishing is poor and same with our decision making, but it doesn't mean there's a lack of effort, or whatever.

People on here go from one extreme to the other (not directing all of these points at you btw). Rodgers has faced tests and answered questions, not least at Pittodrie and Ibrox with 10 men. Aye, his substitutions the other night were disappointing as I would like to have seen Roberts and or Musonda on, but the three players he did bring on have either had good season or have delivered at important times. Talk of bringing in Neil Lennon (who I like) in the summer after another potential treble is absolute crazy talk.

I know I'll always remember that terrible season where we got into the CL again, got into the Europa League and (hopefull) stumbled towards a historic double treble. Aye, but the football wasn't as scintillating as last year, so it can get tae eff.
Good post.

We have struggled in a lot of matches this season but we have performed well in some European matches.

There have been quite a few disappointments. Hopefully we can get the treble and rebuild for next year.
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RE: Mulgrew's comments.

Aren't football players supposed to enjoy playing effing football?

Wanting to eventually step up a level is a separate issue, day to day you'd expect them to actually enjoy being out of the field playing. Its no excuse, Larsson looked just as delighted scoring against Livingston as he did in the Champions League.
Scoring is one thing but being a player and maintaining 100% motivation and concentration for 60 games in a season, year after year will take its toll. Even those of us lucky enough to enjoy our jobs know there are days and weeks you put in 'good enough' effort. We all know players are paid loads, they should be giving 100% etc but in reality it doesn't happen at this level.
We have to perform our job 40-60hrs a week.

They have their real jobs for a max 4.5hrs a week. We're bending over backwards for these guys these days. It's sickening.

I'd give my fat arse too be a pampered footballer. Swanning about moaning about being tired, you don't know what tired is you manicured fairy arse, ( not you smiley)

Naw it's Smiley as well.... :ph43r:
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RE: Mulgrew's comments.

Aren't football players supposed to enjoy playing effing football?

Wanting to eventually step up a level is a separate issue, day to day you'd expect them to actually enjoy being out of the field playing. Its no excuse, Larsson looked just as delighted scoring against Livingston as he did in the Champions League.
Scoring is one thing but being a player and maintaining 100% motivation and concentration for 60 games in a season, year after year will take its toll. Even those of us lucky enough to enjoy our jobs know there are days and weeks you put in 'good enough' effort. We all know players are paid loads, they should be giving 100% etc but in reality it doesn't happen at this level.
We have to perform our job 40-60hrs a week.

They have their real jobs for a max 4.5hrs a week. We're bending over backwards for these guys these days. It's sickening.

I'd give my fat arse too be a pampered footballer. Swanning about moaning about being tired, you don't know what tired is you manicured fairy arse, ( not you smiley)

Mate, you talk some amount of Keech!!!!!!!!!!!!! :comp:
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5 Apr 2018, 07:42 PM
RE: Mulgrew's comments.

Aren't football players supposed to enjoy playing effing football?

Wanting to eventually step up a level is a separate issue, day to day you'd expect them to actually enjoy being out of the field playing. Its no excuse, Larsson looked just as delighted scoring against Livingston as he did in the Champions League.
Scoring is one thing but being a player and maintaining 100% motivation and concentration for 60 games in a season, year after year will take its toll. Even those of us lucky enough to enjoy our jobs know there are days and weeks you put in 'good enough' effort. We all know players are paid loads, they should be giving 100% etc but in reality it doesn't happen at this level.
We have to perform our job 40-60hrs a week.

They have their real jobs for a max 4.5hrs a week. We're bending over backwards for these guys these days. It's sickening.

I'd give my fat arse too be a pampered footballer. Swanning about moaning about being tired, you don't know what tired is you manicured fairy arse, ( not you smiley)

I totally agree with you, they don't know they're born. It's just that when they're in it they probably lose perspective, just that the rest of us normies having to bust our asses 40 hours a week think we've got it the worst, when our ancestors did 25 hours a week more, but down mines without lunch breaks or the thought of watching Line of Duty when they got home. It's all relative and after a couple of years doing anything there will be days when you phone it in.

This sounds like I'm making excuses for millionaire chancers here. I'm with you, eff the ungrateful bastards sometimes.
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Didn't see last night and seems didn't miss much

Team seems to get up for Aberdeen and Hun and hibs and little else

Motivation def an issue team squad manager

Europe poor this year

Cannot see BR and PL delivering shake up required over summer

Let's get 2 trebles and bring back Lennie to drive for 10
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...does this feckin explain it :ponder:
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We have to perform our job 40-60hrs a week.

They have their real jobs for a max 4.5hrs a week. We're bending over backwards for these guys these days. It's sickening.

I'd give my fat arse too be a pampered footballer. Swanning about moaning about being tired, you don't know what tired is you manicured fairy arse, ( not you smiley)

I totally agree with you, they don't know they're born. It's just that when they're in it they probably lose perspective, just that the rest of us normies having to bust our asses 40 hours a week think we've got it the worst, when our ancestors (or folk in facto did 25 hours a week more, but down mines without lunch breaks or the thought of watching Line of Duty when they got home. It's all relative and after a couple of years doing anything there will be days when you phone it in.

This sounds like I'm making excuses for millionaire chancers here. I'm with you, eff the ungrateful bastards sometimes.
Everybody thinks other people have it easier or better.

If the life of a footballer was the cause of abundant joy, none of them would be depressed or have gambling addictions or alcoholism or worse. The reality is, all problems are relative and in the eye of the beholder. Your "reality" isn't reality. Their's is as real as yours. There's some poor soul in India who would give their left testicle for that easy life of 40 hours a week, a house to live in, a car, a bit of spare cash and the freedom to go out with his mates for a few foamers before the game. Your grass is way greener than theirs. Or is it??

By and large, footballers are competitive. They need competition to thrive. Some of them, when they feel as if there's nothing left to go for, start to flatline. It's not only expected but appropriate to the group.

Imagine going into work and your boss starts telling you to pep it up, show a bit of love for answering the phone or unleashed joy at answering that effin email. You might be able to fake it a while but not for long yet for many people, when they first get into that job, the enthusiasm is overflowing.

FWIW I think some of this group need moved on, not because they're not good players but because we could do with an injection of talent with something to prove in their careers.

Edit - BTW this isn't aimed at you specifically, just in the thread of the conversation.
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I totally agree with you, they don't know they're born. It's just that when they're in it they probably lose perspective, just that the rest of us normies having to bust our asses 40 hours a week think we've got it the worst, when our ancestors (or folk in facto did 25 hours a week more, but down mines without lunch breaks or the thought of watching Line of Duty when they got home. It's all relative and after a couple of years doing anything there will be days when you phone it in.

This sounds like I'm making excuses for millionaire chancers here. I'm with you, eff the ungrateful bastards sometimes.
Everybody thinks other people have it easier or better.

If the life of a footballer was the cause of abundant joy, none of them would be depressed or have gambling addictions or alcoholism or worse. The reality is, all problems are relative and in the eye of the beholder. Your "reality" isn't reality. Their's is as real as yours. There's some poor soul in India who would give their left testicle for that easy life of 40 hours a week, a house to live in, a car, a bit of spare cash and the freedom to go out with his mates for a few foamers before the game. Your grass is way greener than theirs. Or is it??

By and large, footballers are competitive. They need competition to thrive. Some of them, when they feel as if there's nothing left to go for, start to flatline. It's not only expected but appropriate to the group.

Imagine going into work and your boss starts telling you to pep it up, show a bit of love for answering the phone or unleashed joy at answering that effin email. You might be able to fake it a while but not for long yet for many people, when they first get into that job, the enthusiasm is overflowing.

FWIW I think some of this group need moved on, not because they're not good players but because we could do with an injection of talent with something to prove in their careers.

Edit - BTW this isn't aimed at you specifically, just in the thread of the conversation.
Great Post :thumbsup:
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You cant have it both ways though.

You cant state that we cant compete in Europe because of finances, then say finances dont matter as much when trying to excuse poor domestic performances. We are also have the most resources by far of any team we are likely to face in European qualifiers.
Not all of our games in Europe were terrible. We played very well away to Anderlecht, at home to Bayern and at home to Zenit. We also knocked out Astana who are a decent enough team and Rosenborg.

Would Bayern fans be moaning that, because they're superrich, they only managed to beat us 2-1 in a game where they were lucky to get the three points? Or would they acknowledge that sometimes football's like that?

While it wasn't particularly inspiring the other night, Celtic created plenty of chances. The difference is that we failed to do what we did quite a few times last year and nick that one-goal win. Obviously it's a concern that it's happening quite a bit, but if any of those multiple chances go in then the narrative is completely different. The application and workrate could have been exactly the same, yet on another night we bang in two or three and are talking about a comfortable win.

I think that might be along the lines of what Rodgers is talking about in his post-match interviews. If we're not creating chances, that's when it's really a problem. Some of our finishing is poor and same with our decision making, but it doesn't mean there's a lack of effort, or whatever.

People on here go from one extreme to the other (not directing all of these points at you btw). Rodgers has faced tests and answered questions, not least at Pittodrie and Ibrox with 10 men. Aye, his substitutions the other night were disappointing as I would like to have seen Roberts and or Musonda on, but the three players he did bring on have either had good season or have delivered at important times. Talk of bringing in Neil Lennon (who I like) in the summer after another potential treble is absolute crazy talk.

I know I'll always remember that terrible season where we got into the CL again, got into the Europa League and (hopefull) stumbled towards a historic double treble. Aye, but the football wasn't as scintillating as last year, so it can get tae eff.
Good post. I´ve said many times itś all about finishing. Take our chances and we win every spfl game comfortably. Miss enough chance and we struggle to beat bottom teams, even if we play well. Thatś why good strikers command such high fees,
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A lot of these ‘chances’ are shots from the edge or outside the box or at a bit of an angle.
We don’t actually create that much in the box, and when we do not enough players get into the box to take advantage.
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You cant have it both ways though.

You cant state that we cant compete in Europe because of finances, then say finances dont matter as much when trying to excuse poor domestic performances. We are also have the most resources by far of any team we are likely to face in European qualifiers.
You can if you want to be an Uber Celt.

:lol: Not sure I qualify as an Uber Celt :lol:

Just to clarify, I agree we should do better in Europe. The financial gap does not justify the humpings we took this season and last. I understand that Rodgers wants us to adopt a style of play the team can take into any game regardless of opposition, but there is still occasional scope for some of the pragmatism that our domestic opponents can bring to their games with us. Does not mean I think we should be replacing him. Hope he is here for the ten. :thumbsup:
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A lot of these ‘chances’ are shots from the edge or outside the box or at a bit of an angle.
We don’t actually create that much in the box, and when we do not enough players get into the box to take advantage.
Aye I wouldn't say there was a plethora of chances created tbh. Was another game were we could have played for another hour and no scored.
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Didn't see last night and seems didn't miss much

Team seems to get up for Aberdeen and Hun and hibs and little else

Motivation def an issue team squad manager

Europe poor this year

Cannot see BR and PL delivering shake up required over summer

Let's get 2 trebles and bring back Lennie to drive for 10
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We're still a decent team when we're on our game and even at points today you could see us putting some nice stuff together when we upped the tempo. Just think we need some fresh impetus in certain positions.

I can understand him not wanting to make many changes last summer after what the players delivered, but I think we need to freshen things up this time round.

Hopefully we see more of Musonda and Compper once the league is won and can begin to see what we have to work with for next season.
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Musonda is meant to be an explosive flair player, yet he passed it backwards to the defence with his first 4 or 5 touches after coming on, which suggests that its the manager's instruction. Why chase a guy for 2 years then not let him play?

Either that or Musonda has done a Blinker
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Another pish performance today. We spent most of the game in second gear and the manager didn't seem able to get any improvement.
The direction we are going in now is very worrying.



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