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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,749 Views)
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edit, picked up wrong
Edited by Zurawski 7, 5 Apr 2018, 02:13 PM.
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5 Apr 2018, 01:19 PM
We need to win all of our last 6 games in order to beat ronny delias points total in 15/16 season. He got 86 points. We are on 72 with 6 games left.
we could draw all 6 games and itll still have been a better season than 15/16
And all at only 3 times the wage bill.

He's a miles better manager than Deila but he's been given the budget. Good managers improve players and teams as demonstrated last season. We have regressed this year. That is definitely a concern.
All true.

Hard to argue with any of it. Trophies will be in the bag and will go down as a very successsful season but the football has went from wonderful(last year) to average this year. Some fall.
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5 Apr 2018, 02:05 PM
If you heard the Celtic Underground podcast interview with Stevie Woods and John Kennedy a couple of weeks ago you would have heard Woods let the cat out of the bag a wee bit regarding players where he told the story of him trying to motivate Boruc for an upcoming game against Kilmarnock and Boruc stating that it was about the 25th(?) time he was going to have played them and just couldn't get himself up for it.

I don't think it's a leap of logic to assume that Boruc was/is alone in feeling that way and given the pedestrian nature of some of our performances there's a few in our current team struggling to find the motivation to do what we all know they're capable of.

I know it's not all about blood and snotters but there has to be a point where the very least you expect is for those that are picked give their all.
Mulgrew said the same in the Si Ferry interview. He said a lot of the non-Scottish players found it really hard to remain fully motivated after a year or two and this was even true of the Scottish players, he included himself in this.

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mytsharp
5 Apr 2018, 02:05 PM
If you heard the Celtic Underground podcast interview with Stevie Woods and John Kennedy a couple of weeks ago you would have heard Woods let the cat out of the bag a wee bit regarding players where he told the story of him trying to motivate Boruc for an upcoming game against Kilmarnock and Boruc stating that it was about the 25th(?) time he was going to have played them and just couldn't get himself up for it.

I don't think it's a leap of logic to assume that Boruc was/is alone in feeling that way and given the pedestrian nature of some of our performances there's a few in our current team struggling to find the motivation to do what we all know they're capable of.

I know it's not all about blood and snotters but there has to be a point where the very least you expect is for those that are picked give their all.
The players haven't looked as motivated as before and have to take some responsibility. It does seem to be a lot of first world problems really when you're headed toward a potential treble :lol: That is the main objective and we will all be ecstatic if that comes to fruition. There are slight concerns, some dugs may bark, whine and howl but the caravan rolls on and on, trundling merrily over every zombie in town.
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If you heard the Celtic Underground podcast interview with Stevie Woods and John Kennedy a couple of weeks ago you would have heard Woods let the cat out of the bag a wee bit regarding players where he told the story of him trying to motivate Boruc for an upcoming game against Kilmarnock and Boruc stating that it was about the 25th(?) time he was going to have played them and just couldn't get himself up for it.

I don't think it's a leap of logic to assume that Boruc was/is alone in feeling that way and given the pedestrian nature of some of our performances there's a few in our current team struggling to find the motivation to do what we all know they're capable of.

I know it's not all about blood and snotters but there has to be a point where the very least you expect is for those that are picked give their all.
Mulgrew said the same in the Si Ferry interview. He said a lot of the non-Scottish players found it really hard to remain fully motivated after a year or two and this was even true of the Scottish players, he included himself in this.

How would this theory tie in with the CL performances?
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5 Apr 2018, 02:05 PM
If you heard the Celtic Underground podcast interview with Stevie Woods and John Kennedy a couple of weeks ago you would have heard Woods let the cat out of the bag a wee bit regarding players where he told the story of him trying to motivate Boruc for an upcoming game against Kilmarnock and Boruc stating that it was about the 25th(?) time he was going to have played them and just couldn't get himself up for it.

I don't think it's a leap of logic to assume that Boruc was/is alone in feeling that way and given the pedestrian nature of some of our performances there's a few in our current team struggling to find the motivation to do what we all know they're capable of.

I know it's not all about blood and snotters but there has to be a point where the very least you expect is for those that are picked give their all.
Mulgrew said the same in the Si Ferry interview. He said a lot of the non-Scottish players found it really hard to remain fully motivated after a year or two and this was even true of the Scottish players, he included himself in this.

How would this theory tie in with the CL performances?
In what sense?
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If you heard the Celtic Underground podcast interview with Stevie Woods and John Kennedy a couple of weeks ago you would have heard Woods let the cat out of the bag a wee bit regarding players where he told the story of him trying to motivate Boruc for an upcoming game against Kilmarnock and Boruc stating that it was about the 25th(?) time he was going to have played them and just couldn't get himself up for it.

I don't think it's a leap of logic to assume that Boruc was/is alone in feeling that way and given the pedestrian nature of some of our performances there's a few in our current team struggling to find the motivation to do what we all know they're capable of.

I know it's not all about blood and snotters but there has to be a point where the very least you expect is for those that are picked give their all.
Mulgrew said the same in the Si Ferry interview. He said a lot of the non-Scottish players found it really hard to remain fully motivated after a year or two and this was even true of the Scottish players, he included himself in this.

How would this theory tie in with the CL performances?
Our CL performances against Barca, PSG and Bayern tend to be defined by how vastly superior they are to us.
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How would this theory tie in with the CL performances?
In what sense?
No one raised their game in the CL games, so it's not the quality of the opposition.
We keep hearing about second season syndrome (whatever that is).
Shankly and Ferguson brought in players every season to freshen things up. Rodgers has brought some in but are getting little game time.
Too many operating in a comfort level. Manager has to be held accountable for this.
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5 Apr 2018, 10:43 AM
That must be about 5 or 6 league games we've failed to score in. Been a fair few we've only managed one anaw. The quality of play this season is up there with the worst iv saw since the mid 90s. We need more from Rodgers.
You don't half talk some rubbish. Do you actually go to the games and did you ever go? Even in the 90's?
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16/17 - 2.79 goals/game
17/18 - 1.93 goals/game

16/17 - 0.65 conceded/game
17/18 - 0.625 conceded/game

We're down almost 1 goal per league game on last season, while the defence has slightly improved. We won 12 of our league games last season by a single goal. There's your difference, in fairly simplistic terms.
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We need to win all of our last 6 games in order to beat ronny delias points total in 15/16 season. He got 86 points. We are on 72 with 6 games left.
Wouldn't 5 games do that? :suspect:
I thought so too :suspect:
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5 Apr 2018, 03:38 PM
16/17 - 2.79 goals/game
17/18 - 1.93 goals/game

16/17 - 0.65 conceded/game
17/18 - 0.625 conceded/game

We're down almost 1 goal per league game on last season, while the defence has slightly improved. We won 12 of our league games last season by a single goal. There's your difference, in fairly simplistic terms.
Losing Dembele, Griffiths, Armstrong, Rogic and Roberts to periods of injury has to account for a lot of this considering their contribution last season. And Sinclair's pitched in with goals and assists but overall he's been poor. And even the goals have dried up from him.

Beyond the injuries though the motivation isn't quite there. We respond to pressure quite well but we look as if we're cruising towards another Hearts-style bruisin' at some point this season.
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In every sport someone comes along from time to time and takes the sport by storm. Tiger Woods came along and lifted the sport of golf to a whole new level and won everything. Eventually though, the other players react and a whole new generation of young, hungry, brave players come along and rise to the challenge.

I think that to a certain extent that is what is happening with Celtic right now. Last season we were streets ahead of every other team and there has definitely been a reaction from some of the other teams this season. There has also been a dip in performance on our part. The challenge for us now is to kick-on again to the next level. Maybe it will take a bigger turn-around of players to get that drive and focus back, it certainly seems to be missing of late.

Having said all that Brendan needs to get more out of these players to finish the season well and ensure we get that double treble.
Edited by sandymoor tim, 5 Apr 2018, 05:23 PM.
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We need to win all of our last 6 games in order to beat ronny delias points total in 15/16 season. He got 86 points. We are on 72 with 6 games left.
we could draw all 6 games and itll still have been a better season than 15/16
And all at only 3 times the wage bill.

He's a miles better manager than Deila but he's been given the budget. Good managers improve players and teams as demonstrated last season. We have regressed this year. That is definitely a concern.
There was always going to be regression from an undefeated Treble winning season and a 106 point haul. While I would not go overboard at all, from a rather welcome perspective the league is also a tad stronger this year, and a damn sight better than 14/15 or 15/16.

He is responsible for a large part of the budget increase by being the manager who steered us to two consecutive Champions League campaigns. In other words, he earned it, by any definition you want to use.

There's a lot still up for grabs. Win the semi final and the number of competitive games under the first two seasons of his tenure will stand at 124, which must amount to some sort of record. Next year you can add a further two (domestic cups notwithstanding) if we go the whole hog in CL qualifying.

Am I really that surprised there has been a second season lull after all that? No. Am I surprised by the extent of it? Yep, a little bit. But it would really be a concern if somehow McInnes thought he was in a title race. We nipped that in the bud and when the questions were asked we beat the Sheep at Pittodrie and dug deep at Ibrox.

It may not be what you pay your season ticket money for but it does not really surprise me that there's an element of picking our fights for what remains of this season.
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Domestically we`ve won the games that mattered without too much huffing and puffing but style and entertainment has been lacking in more than a few games for a variety of reasons and not just some of the extreme black and white "there you have it" shampooe being chucked about this thread.

The manager had a perfect start and it`s always difficult to kick on from that, I`m confident if he stays for the duration we will do 10 in a row.He shouldn`t be immune from criticism, neither should he be crucified for minor failings or some issues outwith his control an example of that being the innuendo around his training methods being the cause of a bad season injury wise.

As for comparisons with mid 90`s Celtic, that`s either shampooe trolling or complete moon unit stuff.
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Didn't see last night and seems didn't miss much

Team seems to get up for Aberdeen and Hun and hibs and little else

Motivation def an issue team squad manager

Europe poor this year

Cannot see BR and PL delivering shake up required over summer

Let's get 2 trebles and bring back Lennie to drive for 10
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5 Apr 2018, 05:20 PM
Didn't see last night and seems didn't miss much

Team seems to get up for Aberdeen and Hun and hibs and little else

Motivation def an issue team squad manager

Europe poor this year

Cannot see BR and PL delivering shake up required over summer

Let's get 2 trebles and bring back Lennie to drive for 10
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Let's get 2 trebles and bring back Lennie to drive for 10
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This summer's transfer window is going to be massive and recruitment needs to be spot on as turgid pish like last night against a semi decent side equalls no champions league.
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Didn't see last night and seems didn't miss much

Team seems to get up for Aberdeen and Hun and hibs and little else

Motivation def an issue team squad manager

Europe poor this year

Cannot see BR and PL delivering shake up required over summer

Let's get 2 trebles and bring back Lennie to drive for 10
Those teams come at us in spells throughout the game and that’s when we exploit them. Others shut up shop for 90 mins.

Don’t think there was anyone lacking motivation last night, just piss poor finishing.
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