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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,753 Views)
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Questions need asked. Performances not been good enough this season. Regressing and no sign of things improving.
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Oddest thing about Rodgers at the moment is the number of his own signings he seems to have discarded. The best right back at the club - Gamboa - cant get a game for love nor money. The two signings he went all in for in January - Compper and Musonda - have turned into the invisible men. Yet some of the inconsistent players he inherited from previous regimes like Armstrong, Boyata and Lustig (two of whom have been subbed at half-time in recent games due to having absolute howlers) always seem to find their way back into the side.
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Oddest thing about Rodgers at the moment is the number of his own signings he seems to have discarded. The best right back at the club - Gamboa - cant get a game for love nor money. The two signings he went all in for in January - Compper and Musonda - have turned into the invisible men. Yet some of the inconsistent players he inherited from previous regimes like Armstrong, Boyata and Lustig (two of whom have been subbed at half-time in recent games due to having absolute howlers) always seem to find their way back into the side.
Like I said, don't know what he is doing.
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Oddest thing about Rodgers at the moment is the number of his own signings he seems to have discarded. The best right back at the club - Gamboa - cant get a game for love nor money. The two signings he went all in for in January - Compper and Musonda - have turned into the invisible men. Yet some of the inconsistent players he inherited from previous regimes like Armstrong, Boyata and Lustig (two of whom have been subbed at half-time in recent games due to having absolute howlers) always seem to find their way back into the side.
I doubt Gamboa is even the best right back in his house.
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Oddest thing about Rodgers at the moment is the number of his own signings he seems to have discarded. The best right back at the club - Gamboa - cant get a game for love nor money. The two signings he went all in for in January - Compper and Musonda - have turned into the invisible men. Yet some of the inconsistent players he inherited from previous regimes like Armstrong, Boyata and Lustig (two of whom have been subbed at half-time in recent games due to having absolute howlers) always seem to find their way back into the side.
I doubt Gamboa is even the best right back in his house.
I dont know what Gamboas living arrangements are but, aside from a couple of European games where the whole team looked out of its depth, hes always seemed solid to me and a very good attacking weapon against packed defences due to his pace.
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5 Apr 2018, 06:44 AM
Oddest thing about Rodgers at the moment is the number of his own signings he seems to have discarded. The best right back at the club - Gamboa - cant get a game for love nor money. The two signings he went all in for in January - Compper and Musonda - have turned into the invisible men. Yet some of the inconsistent players he inherited from previous regimes like Armstrong, Boyata and Lustig (two of whom have been subbed at half-time in recent games due to having absolute howlers) always seem to find their way back into the side.
I doubt Gamboa is even the best right back in his house.
I dont know what Gamboas living arrangements are but, aside from a couple of European games where the whole team looked out of its depth, hes always seemed solid to me and a very good attacking weapon against packed defences due to his pace.
Can't think of many occasions when Gamboa used his pace to break through a packed defence.

He was absolute garbage the last time he played. No surprise he's not been picked since.
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Really not worth the money he's being paid. You could literally get any other SPFL manager managing the team and get similar results. Delia was getting the shampoo kicked out of him for similar performances and he was on a quarter of the money.

A complete inability to get the team up for standard SPFL games, coupled with constant rotating defense (even allowing for injuries), an inability to give pretty much any of his signings other than Dembele and Sinclair any real consistent game time without seemingly 6 months lead time.

There's a good chance we'll end up a double treble but we'll only have shown up in maybe a quarter of the games, given the disparity in budget between us and the rest of the league that's unacceptable.

He needed to make changes to the squad last summer. He frankly didn't. He tinkered at the edges. The tinkering continued into January, there are still clear gaps in the squad at LB cover, RB. Relying on Delia's core was always going to be problematic in the long term, although it's his own signings who've failed to turn up this year. Had Forrest not had a once in a lifetime scoring season we'd have been in a bit of trouble, although the manager seems blind to the fact Forrest's form has dropped off a cliff.
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5 Apr 2018, 08:01 AM
Really not worth the money he's being paid. You could literally get any other SPFL manager managing the team and get similar results. Delia was getting the shampoo kicked out of him for similar performances and he was on a quarter of the money.

A complete inability to get the team up for standard SPFL games, coupled with constant rotating defense (even allowing for injuries), an inability to give pretty much any of his signings other than Dembele and Sinclair any real consistent game time without seemingly 6 months lead time.

There's a good chance we'll end up a double treble but we'll only have shown up in maybe a quarter of the games, given the disparity in budget between us and the rest of the league that's unacceptable.

He needed to make changes to the squad last summer. He frankly didn't. He tinkered at the edges. The tinkering continued into January, there are still clear gaps in the squad at LB cover, RB. Relying on Delia's core was always going to be problematic in the long term, although it's his own signings who've failed to turn up this year. Had Forrest not had a once in a lifetime scoring season we'd have been in a bit of trouble, although the manager seems blind to the fact Forrest's form has dropped off a cliff.
Comparing Rodgers to Deila is bonkers when you consider their respective achievements. But certainly another season next year of heavy European defeats combined with mediocre domestic displays would have more and more people questioning him. I think he needs to start trusting his own signings, clear out the deadwood and make a couple of transformative signings this summer who can come in and have the type of impact Dembele and Sinclair had when they first arrived.
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5 Apr 2018, 08:01 AM
Really not worth the money he's being paid. You could literally get any other SPFL manager managing the team and get similar results. Delia was getting the shampoo kicked out of him for similar performances and he was on a quarter of the money.

A complete inability to get the team up for standard SPFL games, coupled with constant rotating defense (even allowing for injuries), an inability to give pretty much any of his signings other than Dembele and Sinclair any real consistent game time without seemingly 6 months lead time.

There's a good chance we'll end up a double treble but we'll only have shown up in maybe a quarter of the games, given the disparity in budget between us and the rest of the league that's unacceptable.

He needed to make changes to the squad last summer. He frankly didn't. He tinkered at the edges. The tinkering continued into January, there are still clear gaps in the squad at LB cover, RB. Relying on Delia's core was always going to be problematic in the long term, although it's his own signings who've failed to turn up this year. Had Forrest not had a once in a lifetime scoring season we'd have been in a bit of trouble, although the manager seems blind to the fact Forrest's form has dropped off a cliff.
Comparing Rodgers to Deila is bonkers when you consider their respective achievements. But certainly another season next year of heavy European defeats combined with mediocre domestic displays would have more and more people questioning him. I think he needs to start trusting his own signings, clear out the deadwood and make a couple of transformative signings this summer who can come in and have the type of impact Dembele and Sinclair had when they first arrived.
His signings in january were a kid on loan and a 32 year old who'd barely kicked a ball all season for buttons. If hes happy with that, you'd have to question his ambitions for next year. When he arrived the talk was january signings bedding in for qualifiers was it not?
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He's got a lot of work to do this summer, and unfortunately with our CL campaign starting about 20 minutes after the final whistle in the Scottish Cup Final that won't be easy. He needs to seriously think about how he wants the team to play, to get rid of players who can't or won't play that way, and bring in a couple of genuinely good quality replacements who will.

Last season we pressed in numbers and left our opponents in disarray with quick, incisive football. This season we've sat off our opponents and too often shown no coherence in the final third. I can only assume that the former must be a tactical decision, and the latter has to be at least partly down to the coaching. Whatever it is he's trying to achieve by doing things this way, it's not working very well and he needs to rethink it.

If we do it, there's no denying that winning back to back trebles would be an incredible achievement. I know there's a financial gulf between us and the rest in Scotland, but this isn't the first time one club's enjoyed such an advantage and it's still never been done before. Nobody will be able to argue that they've enjoyed the second treble as much as the first though, and that's not just because of the undefeated record last year. The football simply needs to be better than it is.

I'll still back him of course - it would be a bit daft not to given his record - but things need to be freshened up again next season.
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Ne needs to find something different. Or get new players.
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Ne needs to find something different. Or get new players.

29 Scott Bain, (loan) from Dundee, Jan 2018 [BBC]
04 Jack Hendry, 1.2m from Dundee, Jan 2018 [BBC]
67 Charly Musonda, (loan) from Chelsea, Jan 2018 [BBC]
33 Marvin Compper, 1m from Red Bull Leipzig, Dec 2017 [BBC]
22 Odsonne Edouard, (loan) from Paris Saint-Germain, Aug 2017 [BBC]
07 Patrick Roberts, (loan) from Manchester City, Aug 2017 [BBC]
21 Olivier Ntcham, 4.5m from Manchester City, Jul 2017 [BBC]
26 Kundai Benyu, undisclosed from Ipswich Town, Jun 2017 [BBC]
15 Jonny Hayes, 1.3m plus Ryan Christie (loan) from Aberdeen, Jun 2017 [BBC]
88 Kouassi Eboue, 2.8m from FC Krasnodar, Jan 2017 [BBC]
12 Cristian Gamboa, 1m from West Bromwich Albion, Aug 2016 [BBC]
24 Dorus de Vries, undisclosed from Nottingham Forest, Aug 2016 [BBC]
11 Scott Sinclair, 3.5m from Aston Villa, Aug 2016 [BBC]
02 Kolo Toure, free from Liverpool, Jul 2016 [BBC]
10 Moussa Dembele, 500,000 from Fulham


But would he play them?
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5 Apr 2018, 08:01 AM
Really not worth the money he's being paid. You could literally get any other SPFL manager managing the team and get similar results. Delia was getting the shampoo kicked out of him for similar performances and he was on a quarter of the money.

A complete inability to get the team up for standard SPFL games, coupled with constant rotating defense (even allowing for injuries), an inability to give pretty much any of his signings other than Dembele and Sinclair any real consistent game time without seemingly 6 months lead time.

There's a good chance we'll end up a double treble but we'll only have shown up in maybe a quarter of the games, given the disparity in budget between us and the rest of the league that's unacceptable.

He needed to make changes to the squad last summer. He frankly didn't. He tinkered at the edges. The tinkering continued into January, there are still clear gaps in the squad at LB cover, RB. Relying on Delia's core was always going to be problematic in the long term, although it's his own signings who've failed to turn up this year. Had Forrest not had a once in a lifetime scoring season we'd have been in a bit of trouble, although the manager seems blind to the fact Forrest's form has dropped off a cliff.
Comparing Rodgers to Deila is bonkers when you consider their respective achievements. But certainly another season next year of heavy European defeats combined with mediocre domestic displays would have more and more people questioning him. I think he needs to start trusting his own signings, clear out the deadwood and make a couple of transformative signings this summer who can come in and have the type of impact Dembele and Sinclair had when they first arrived.
His signings in january were a kid on loan and a 32 year old who'd barely kicked a ball all season for buttons. If hes happy with that, you'd have to question his ambitions for next year. When he arrived the talk was january signings bedding in for qualifiers was it not?
You describe his signings as a 32-year-old whod barely kicked a ball this season and a kid on loan. Rodgers would probably describe them as an established Bundesliga centre back with top level European experience and a terrific young player we reportedly beat 24 other clubs including Roma to sign. For whatever reason - and Im as curious as anyone to know the answer to this - hes not playing either of them. As I said in a previous post, I think he needs to start trusting his own signings a bit more and freshen things up.
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He needs to gut the team for next season but his recruitment so far has been poor overall. A major concern.
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His bonus is directly correlated to transfer dealings. He is playing certain players to get them sold.
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His bonus is directly correlated to transfer dealings. He is playing certain players to get them sold.
That sounds like made up bollocks.
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Ne needs to find something different. Or get new players.

29 Scott Bain, (loan) from Dundee, Jan 2018 [BBC]
04 Jack Hendry, 1.2m from Dundee, Jan 2018 [BBC]
67 Charly Musonda, (loan) from Chelsea, Jan 2018 [BBC]
33 Marvin Compper, 1m from Red Bull Leipzig, Dec 2017 [BBC]
22 Odsonne Edouard, (loan) from Paris Saint-Germain, Aug 2017 [BBC]
07 Patrick Roberts, (loan) from Manchester City, Aug 2017 [BBC]
21 Olivier Ntcham, 4.5m from Manchester City, Jul 2017 [BBC]
26 Kundai Benyu, undisclosed from Ipswich Town, Jun 2017 [BBC]
15 Jonny Hayes, 1.3m plus Ryan Christie (loan) from Aberdeen, Jun 2017 [BBC]
88 Kouassi Eboue, 2.8m from FC Krasnodar, Jan 2017 [BBC]
12 Cristian Gamboa, 1m from West Bromwich Albion, Aug 2016 [BBC]
24 Dorus de Vries, undisclosed from Nottingham Forest, Aug 2016 [BBC]
11 Scott Sinclair, 3.5m from Aston Villa, Aug 2016 [BBC]
02 Kolo Toure, free from Liverpool, Jul 2016 [BBC]
10 Moussa Dembele, 500,000 from Fulham


But would he play them?
Thats 15 players & only 2 of them (Sinclair & Dembele) instantly improved the team. Even they dont look as good as last season.His signings in general have been very,very poor. His record in Europe with both ourselves & Liverpool is also very,very poor. These are facts not opinions. Of course we will win the league but Della proved anybody could win this league. 80 points will be more than enough this season. The attendance last night tells a story too as the home games in general this year have been dire to watch.
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His signings in january were a kid on loan and a 32 year old who'd barely kicked a ball all season for buttons. If hes happy with that, you'd have to question his ambitions for next year. When he arrived the talk was january signings bedding in for qualifiers was it not?
You describe his signings as a 32-year-old whod barely kicked a ball this season and a kid on loan. Rodgers would probably describe them as an established Bundesliga centre back with top level European experience and a terrific young player we reportedly beat 24 other clubs including Roma to sign. For whatever reason - and Im as curious as anyone to know the answer to this - hes not playing either of them. As I said in a previous post, I think he needs to start trusting his own signings a bit more and freshen things up.
:thumbsup: I'd agree with him describing them as you suggest, if there was any evidence of that in a celtic shirt.
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Still basically Deila's team.Out of his own signings,has there been any successes apart from Dembele,Ntcham ,Henry and Sinclair (last season).Don't see any improvement and think Rodgers has been sussed out.Personally ,I wouldn't trust him with a large transfer kitty as the majority of his signings are nowhere to be seen.I mean Comperr,ffs what a waste of money and wonderkid Musonda?Totally baffled.
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