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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,783 Views)
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Successful first season at Liverpool almost winning the league,but then team fell to bits after that.Are we seeing the same here,because frankly we have been pish for most of the season except Aberdeen away,Zenit at home and Hearts at home.It would appear that we are regressing badly and god forbid if we don't win the league.If that happens Brendan must go.No excuses.
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68guns
23 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Successful first season at Liverpool almost winning the league,but then team fell to bits after that.Are we seeing the same here,because frankly we have been pish for most of the season except Aberdeen away,Zenit at home and Hearts at home.It would appear that we are regressing badly and god forbid if we don't win the league.If that happens Brendan must go.No excuses.
that was his 2nd season at liverpool and we arent losing the league :ffs:
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68guns
23 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Successful first season at Liverpool almost winning the league,but then team fell to bits after that.Are we seeing the same here,because frankly we have been pish for most of the season except Aberdeen away,Zenit at home and Hearts at home.It would appear that we are regressing badly and god forbid if we don't win the league.If that happens Brendan must go.No excuses.
:lol:

We are 9 points clear :lol:
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23 Feb 2018, 03:04 PM
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23 Feb 2018, 02:22 PM
There are a lot of things for Rodgers to look at this summer, but I think it's clear that goalkeeper and defence needs to be at the top of the list.

The first goal two goals last night were really, really poor. Losing a man as dangerous in the air as Ivanovic at a corner was really basic stuff, and de Vries dropped an absolute clanger for the second. Both of those goals came down to simple errors from players who I think just aren't up to scratch. From there, we were forced to chase the match with a group of players who were clearly set out to compete and keep it tight.

I think last night's result is more down to poor recruitment than the wrong team or approach; good players don't make those mistakes, and if those mistakes aren't made then the match is a much tighter affair. The first two goals were roughly equivalent to punching yourself in the face in a boxing match, ffs. Those individual errors rendered our line-up pretty much useless after 30 minutes, and to be honest we probably don't have the attacking subtlety to break down the Zenit defence when they're sitting deep anyway. Our best chance was always going to be keeping our lead from the first leg - and that brings us round to the source of my biggest concern.

Lee Congerton.

I happened to read this article in the Guardian before our tie last night:

Stadium of Plight: Sunderland at risk of their most shattering relegation

It details, in often excruciating detail, just how bad Sunderland's acquisitions have been over the last few years - a period which covers Congerton's 18 or so months as Sporting Director. And there are plenty of other articles out there (including this on Bundesliga Fanatic, or this from the Roker Report - both fairly measured critiques) which don't paint a particularly impressive picture of Congerton's abilities as a scout.

Last summer, we failed to address most of the big target areas, and clearly over the winter window we didn't do as much business as Rodgers wanted. That's down to Congerton, and his scouting network underneath him. Something isn't working, and given his track record of non-performance, I don't think that should be a massive surprise.

This summer looks like it's going to be an important window; we could lose Dembele, we will likely lose Armstrong, our first and second choice goalkeepers will still be questionable and our defence still needs major work. I have serious doubts about Congerton's ability to deliver what we need, when we need it.
I mind being a bit put off when we brought Congerton in, giving the starring role he's played in helping Hamburg continue to be absolute shampooe. While a good thing from the POV they are a bunch of Hun tits, not so good when he's now making a pigs ear of our squad. He's got a track record of mediocrity, and would be nowhere near Celtic if he didn't have a long-standing relationship with Rodgers. Too early to call, but I'm not too confident in a man with a John Park-esque record in charge of our upcoming rebuild.

I've been on record in the past saying I don't think Brendan is a great spotter of talent, but is very good at working with players who suit his style. That's fine; everyone has their weakness. My concern is that he's chosen someone with an equally - perhaps worse - record of picking players as his partner in crime. I must say from all the brilliance of last year and how surprised I was at Rodgers' own transformation from the one at Liverpool, a lot of the things I was concerned about have happened this year. That's including sterile play at home, pretty timid European displays, a pig-headed attitude and a blame culture that never points to his own faults, only that of the players/someone else.

However it's still very easily turned around for him. I just fear the people who are in charge of making that turnaround possible will hamstring him. Got a hell of a lot of goodwill in the bank, but a continuation of the same selection, playstyle and attitude won't help anyone. Not the same by any means, but someone mentioned last night about his comments RE Scottish football. The more I think of how he spoke about the league up here (rightfully so at times) I think about John Collins' weird comments in 2016 (I think - the start of the second season), prior to us falling off a cliff under Deila. Just a small thing but he's went from really trying to talk up the Scottish game to disparaging it on a regular basis. I wonder if, even subconsciously, that kind of attitude has rubbed off on the team. eff knows; my primary concern is that the feel-good factor is burst, and the people in charge of reviving it aren't very good at what they do.

I'd feel more comfortable if we never hired Congerton, basically. No offence to the guy but I don't think he's on the same standard as Rodgers and Davies.
How did he do at Chelsea? Congerton I mean? No idea tbh.
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23 Feb 2018, 02:24 PM
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23 Feb 2018, 12:59 PM
I think there is a basic flaw in Brendan Rodgers’ approach: he demands that football be played only one way, one approach- but the approach he favours requires top quality players in every position, which Celtic can not afford. He needs to bite the bullet and start setting up the team to play to the strengths of the players he DOES have, rather than trying to force those players to play in a style which is beyond their abilities.
Absolutely 100% correct.
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We are lucky to have him; don't you know?
He has many qualities too.
He is ......
He is ......
He is ......
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23 Feb 2018, 03:35 PM
68guns
23 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Successful first season at Liverpool almost winning the league,but then team fell to bits after that.Are we seeing the same here,because frankly we have been pish for most of the season except Aberdeen away,Zenit at home and Hearts at home.It would appear that we are regressing badly and god forbid if we don't win the league.If that happens Brendan must go.No excuses.
that was his 2nd season at liverpool and we arent losing the league :ffs:
Aye but apart from that. :lol:
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I'm calling bs in this thread.

It's an infested pit.

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23 Feb 2018, 05:48 PM
I'm calling bs in this thread.

It's an infested pit.

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Getting difficult to tell the Huns from the genuine Celtic fans who have just completely lost their shampoo.
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At the moment we're in a Ronny Deila-esque situation where regardless of opposition you're not confident of actually winning.

Alongside that you have the shambolic recruitment situation and it starts to look like by the end of the season we'll be back to square 1 in terms of progression.
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allthewine
23 Feb 2018, 03:40 PM
adammce
23 Feb 2018, 03:04 PM
duffsticks
23 Feb 2018, 02:22 PM
There are a lot of things for Rodgers to look at this summer, but I think it's clear that goalkeeper and defence needs to be at the top of the list.

The first goal two goals last night were really, really poor. Losing a man as dangerous in the air as Ivanovic at a corner was really basic stuff, and de Vries dropped an absolute clanger for the second. Both of those goals came down to simple errors from players who I think just aren't up to scratch. From there, we were forced to chase the match with a group of players who were clearly set out to compete and keep it tight.

I think last night's result is more down to poor recruitment than the wrong team or approach; good players don't make those mistakes, and if those mistakes aren't made then the match is a much tighter affair. The first two goals were roughly equivalent to punching yourself in the face in a boxing match, ffs. Those individual errors rendered our line-up pretty much useless after 30 minutes, and to be honest we probably don't have the attacking subtlety to break down the Zenit defence when they're sitting deep anyway. Our best chance was always going to be keeping our lead from the first leg - and that brings us round to the source of my biggest concern.

Lee Congerton.

I happened to read this article in the Guardian before our tie last night:

Stadium of Plight: Sunderland at risk of their most shattering relegation

It details, in often excruciating detail, just how bad Sunderland's acquisitions have been over the last few years - a period which covers Congerton's 18 or so months as Sporting Director. And there are plenty of other articles out there (including this on Bundesliga Fanatic, or this from the Roker Report - both fairly measured critiques) which don't paint a particularly impressive picture of Congerton's abilities as a scout.

Last summer, we failed to address most of the big target areas, and clearly over the winter window we didn't do as much business as Rodgers wanted. That's down to Congerton, and his scouting network underneath him. Something isn't working, and given his track record of non-performance, I don't think that should be a massive surprise.

This summer looks like it's going to be an important window; we could lose Dembele, we will likely lose Armstrong, our first and second choice goalkeepers will still be questionable and our defence still needs major work. I have serious doubts about Congerton's ability to deliver what we need, when we need it.
I mind being a bit put off when we brought Congerton in, giving the starring role he's played in helping Hamburg continue to be absolute shampooe. While a good thing from the POV they are a bunch of Hun tits, not so good when he's now making a pigs ear of our squad. He's got a track record of mediocrity, and would be nowhere near Celtic if he didn't have a long-standing relationship with Rodgers. Too early to call, but I'm not too confident in a man with a John Park-esque record in charge of our upcoming rebuild.

I've been on record in the past saying I don't think Brendan is a great spotter of talent, but is very good at working with players who suit his style. That's fine; everyone has their weakness. My concern is that he's chosen someone with an equally - perhaps worse - record of picking players as his partner in crime. I must say from all the brilliance of last year and how surprised I was at Rodgers' own transformation from the one at Liverpool, a lot of the things I was concerned about have happened this year. That's including sterile play at home, pretty timid European displays, a pig-headed attitude and a blame culture that never points to his own faults, only that of the players/someone else.

However it's still very easily turned around for him. I just fear the people who are in charge of making that turnaround possible will hamstring him. Got a hell of a lot of goodwill in the bank, but a continuation of the same selection, playstyle and attitude won't help anyone. Not the same by any means, but someone mentioned last night about his comments RE Scottish football. The more I think of how he spoke about the league up here (rightfully so at times) I think about John Collins' weird comments in 2016 (I think - the start of the second season), prior to us falling off a cliff under Deila. Just a small thing but he's went from really trying to talk up the Scottish game to disparaging it on a regular basis. I wonder if, even subconsciously, that kind of attitude has rubbed off on the team. eff knows; my primary concern is that the feel-good factor is burst, and the people in charge of reviving it aren't very good at what they do.

I'd feel more comfortable if we never hired Congerton, basically. No offence to the guy but I don't think he's on the same standard as Rodgers and Davies.
How did he do at Chelsea? Congerton I mean? No idea tbh.
Aye but remember, Congerton discovered the absolutely unknown Phillipe Coutinho. Yes Inter Milan had already fought off a host of European giants to sign him, but Congerton definitely discovered him. Just after everyone else.
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23 Feb 2018, 06:26 PM
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23 Feb 2018, 05:48 PM
I'm calling bs in this thread.

It's an infested pit.

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Getting difficult to tell the Huns from the genuine Celtic fans who have just completely lost their shampoo.
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The fact is that people have their right to say that they want a change and not be labelled. I want change if it comes from BR or not. We have failed to improve and the team has not performed. If anyone thinks 9 points is insurmountable then they should ask the Manager and players. They should know and play like it is not.

And they are not. Hopefully get a reaction on Sunday.
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Was there a presser today ?
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I do have some slight concerns about his signings - even though I would only say De Vries is an out and out bad player, he doesn't seem to have managed to get many of his signings to bed in and perform consistently enough to make themselves key players in the same way he managed to improve the players that Ronny left. As such the spine of the team is largely based around Deila's crap team. It's a bit odd really, I can't work it out.

I wasn't aware of Congerton and whatever influence he has.
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A few real quality signings in that window would have seen us through but yet again the penny pinching has cost us because we don't have the ambition. Anyone hoping for loads of great singings in the summer will - again - be badly let down.
edit wrong thread but still applies, don't know if it's the board to blame or whatever.
Edited by suzieghirl10, 23 Feb 2018, 06:54 PM.
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Let the players express themselves more please, Brendan. Our shot on target stats are shocking - I've never known it as bad, even since Willie Falconer.
I remember Willie falconer scoring a belter from 25 yards against Motherwell at hampden in 94.
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It's a big ask to manage a large and relatively expensive squad in a pish league. The manager has tried to juggle things around to accommodate fringe players and give youngsters a chance. I get all this. It is then difficult to step it up against the bigger boys. I can handle all of this.
What I can't handle is the style of football we subjected to. I noticed the comments about too much sideways and backwards play last night? I must have imagined the dross that is being played every week by us and I assume he coaches and encourages this? We set up the exact same wether we are playing Brechin or PSG and we have all this possession football. Diabolical to watch and knowing or catastrophic ability to defend suicidial. I cannot believe the manager was critical of this element last night?
The other issue is key positions. He has spent a lot on fees and wages and we are stuck with a couple of specific problems. DDV was bombscare last season but we kept him knowing we had a much maligned by many and seriously injury prone number 1. You make your own luck. Lustig is knackered.Good Full backs are critical at high level and to persist with Gamboa when he obviously doesn't fancy him so again why not deal with it?
There is also an arrogance and whilst this is important in a top manager I get the feeling that sometimes he will stick with a decision just to show he can. Scott Sinclair needed a rest long before he got one for example. A good manager needs to recognise this and protect players.
Organisationally I am not sure what we work on. I sit behind the goals at Celtic Park and often find myself bemused at our players position at corners. They get dragged around wherever the attacking team fancy taking them. Offensively I have no idea why Ntcham for example is taking set pieces as this is not his strong point. A blind man can see these things.
We need to knuckle down and get playing attractive, attacking football sooner rather than later.
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23 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Successful first season at Liverpool almost winning the league,but then team fell to bits after that.Are we seeing the same here,because frankly we have been pish for most of the season except Aberdeen away,Zenit at home and Hearts at home.It would appear that we are regressing badly and god forbid if we don't win the league.If that happens Brendan must go.No excuses.
Thats Alarming .

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68guns
23 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Successful first season at Liverpool almost winning the league,but then team fell to bits after that.Are we seeing the same here,because frankly we have been pish for most of the season except Aberdeen away,Zenit at home and Hearts at home.It would appear that we are regressing badly and god forbid if we don't win the league.If that happens Brendan must go.No excuses.
Thats Alarming .

Yep, the fact he did no research before posting is a shocker
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68guns
23 Feb 2018, 03:28 PM
Successful first season at Liverpool almost winning the league,but then team fell to bits after that.Are we seeing the same here,because frankly we have been pish for most of the season except Aberdeen away,Zenit at home and Hearts at home.It would appear that we are regressing badly and god forbid if we don't win the league.If that happens Brendan must go.No excuses.
Thats Alarming .

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Lot a seldom seen usernames on this thread haha (says me whose been here under a year tbf)

Nowehere near the time to be talking about sacking him ffs. haha After last season he deserves the chance to put things right. That being said, I heavily criticised Deila for the types of displays that have ben churned out this season, so he is not beyond criticism or questioning. Big few weeks ahead for him and the club.
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