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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,784 Views)
Luigi
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23 Feb 2018, 11:48 AM
screwtop
23 Feb 2018, 11:42 AM
I would replace him in the summer.
If we lose the league I would agree
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We are not going to lose the league.

Some of the comments on here are hysterical.

Agree.
That Mon#1 is for the watching.
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23 Feb 2018, 12:48 PM
I love Brendan but it’s clear he got the team wrong last night. With Forrest instructed to play so deep, we needed someone with pace supporting Dembele
Forrest was often behind kouassi and the we had no threat until the second half, I didn't understand it at all.
Me neither, Forrest was basically playing as a RWB. I still thought he was our most dangerous player offensively for the first hour mind.
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23 Feb 2018, 12:59 PM
I think there is a basic flaw in Brendan Rodgers’ approach: he demands that football be played only one way, one approach- but the approach he favours requires top quality players in every position, which Celtic can not afford. He needs to bite the bullet and start setting up the team to play to the strengths of the players he DOES have, rather than trying to force those players to play in a style which is beyond their abilities.
Flexibility is key, our possession football is just boring when it's countered as it was yesterday, in theory there's nothing simpler than knocking a ball about, particularly when that's exactly what your opponent desires. Of course when you make a mistake their entire game plan is then activated to hurt you.
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We must’ve broken the record for most goals conceded from crosses in a European campaign. We let teams cross too much and don’t have centre backs good enough to deal with it.
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We needed a centre half (even before Comppers injury) a right back and a goalkeeper in January. Brendan signed Dundee’s back up keeper on loan and their centre half.
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23 Feb 2018, 01:44 PM
We needed a centre half (even before Comppers injury) a right back and a goalkeeper in January. Brendan signed Dundee’s back up keeper on loan and their centre half.
Bain isn’t the answer. He’s much better than Parish though and would still be Dundee keeper if he didn’t fall out with McCann.
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23 Feb 2018, 12:48 PM
I love Brendan but it’s clear he got the team wrong last night. With Forrest instructed to play so deep, we needed someone with pace supporting Dembele
Forrest was often behind kouassi and the we had no threat until the second half, I didn't understand it at all.
Kouassi was completely lost and Forrest was having to cover him defensively, which for Forrest is a feat in itself. Couldn't push him on until Kouassi came off and McGregor was a little more secure on that side of midfield. Kouassi looked out of his depth for the majority of the tie, so I'm glad Brendan changed it at HT last night. His other two subs were woeful decisions though.
Edited by Flinchy, 23 Feb 2018, 01:45 PM.
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23 Feb 2018, 01:43 PM
We must’ve broken the record for most goals conceded from crosses in a European campaign. We let teams cross too much and don’t have centre backs good enough to deal with it.
Set pieces at both ends has been such a distressing part of our game, used to be one of our strongest areas, and frankly when up against superior talent it has to be.
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23 Feb 2018, 11:48 AM

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:ffs:

We are not going to lose the league.

Some of the comments on here are hysterical.

Agree.
That Mon#1 is for the watching.
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Let the players express themselves more please, Brendan. Our shot on target stats are shocking - I've never known it as bad, even since Willie Falconer.
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There are a lot of things for Rodgers to look at this summer, but I think it's clear that goalkeeper and defence needs to be at the top of the list.

The first goal two goals last night were really, really poor. Losing a man as dangerous in the air as Ivanovic at a corner was really basic stuff, and de Vries dropped an absolute clanger for the second. Both of those goals came down to simple errors from players who I think just aren't up to scratch. From there, we were forced to chase the match with a group of players who were clearly set out to compete and keep it tight.

I think last night's result is more down to poor recruitment than the wrong team or approach; good players don't make those mistakes, and if those mistakes aren't made then the match is a much tighter affair. The first two goals were roughly equivalent to punching yourself in the face in a boxing match, ffs. Those individual errors rendered our line-up pretty much useless after 30 minutes, and to be honest we probably don't have the attacking subtlety to break down the Zenit defence when they're sitting deep anyway. Our best chance was always going to be keeping our lead from the first leg - and that brings us round to the source of my biggest concern.

Lee Congerton.

I happened to read this article in the Guardian before our tie last night:

Stadium of Plight: Sunderland at risk of their most shattering relegation

It details, in often excruciating detail, just how bad Sunderland's acquisitions have been over the last few years - a period which covers Congerton's 18 or so months as Sporting Director. And there are plenty of other articles out there (including this on Bundesliga Fanatic, or this from the Roker Report - both fairly measured critiques) which don't paint a particularly impressive picture of Congerton's abilities as a scout.

Last summer, we failed to address most of the big target areas, and clearly over the winter window we didn't do as much business as Rodgers wanted. That's down to Congerton, and his scouting network underneath him. Something isn't working, and given his track record of non-performance, I don't think that should be a massive surprise.

This summer looks like it's going to be an important window; we could lose Dembele, we will likely lose Armstrong, our first and second choice goalkeepers will still be questionable and our defence still needs major work. I have serious doubts about Congerton's ability to deliver what we need, when we need it.
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23 Feb 2018, 12:59 PM
I think there is a basic flaw in Brendan Rodgers’ approach: he demands that football be played only one way, one approach- but the approach he favours requires top quality players in every position, which Celtic can not afford. He needs to bite the bullet and start setting up the team to play to the strengths of the players he DOES have, rather than trying to force those players to play in a style which is beyond their abilities.
Absolutely 100% correct.
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LondonThomas
23 Feb 2018, 12:59 PM
I think there is a basic flaw in Brendan Rodgers’ approach: he demands that football be played only one way, one approach- but the approach he favours requires top quality players in every position, which Celtic can not afford. He needs to bite the bullet and start setting up the team to play to the strengths of the players he DOES have, rather than trying to force those players to play in a style which is beyond their abilities.
Flexibility is key, our possession football is just boring when it's countered as it was yesterday, in theory there's nothing simpler than knocking a ball about, particularly when that's exactly what your opponent desires. Of course when you make a mistake their entire game plan is then activated to hurt you.
We've been boring all season :(
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I love what Brendan Rodgers has done for us. He's the best man for the job and most likely the very high end of managerial calibre that we can afford/attract.

For a guy so committed to playing football the "right way", he's not getting it done this season.

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mon#1
23 Feb 2018, 11:48 AM

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:ffs:

We are not going to lose the league.

Some of the comments on here are hysterical.

Agree.
That Mon#1 is for the watching.
I don't think it's inconceivable that we'll lose our next two away league games

Add into the mix our indifferent home form and it's a concern

We are shaky at the back, slow in position and we aren't scoring a lot of goals

We are in the fortunate position that the 2nd and 3rd place team seem (as yet) as unlikely as us of sticking a run of wins together.

We have given them a glimmer of hope and should it get closer it wouldn't be hard to imagine us struggling further under pressure
Edited by mon#1, 23 Feb 2018, 02:55 PM.
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23 Feb 2018, 12:59 PM
I think there is a basic flaw in Brendan Rodgers’ approach: he demands that football be played only one way, one approach- but the approach he favours requires top quality players in every position, which Celtic can not afford. He needs to bite the bullet and start setting up the team to play to the strengths of the players he DOES have, rather than trying to force those players to play in a style which is beyond their abilities.
Flexibility is key, our possession football is just boring when it's countered as it was yesterday, in theory there's nothing simpler than knocking a ball about, particularly when that's exactly what your opponent desires. Of course when you make a mistake their entire game plan is then activated to hurt you.
We've been boring all season :(
It's difficult to dress it up, knocking the ball around sideways, nervously waiting to be picked off. It's not cultured football, it's the antithesis of it.
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23 Feb 2018, 02:22 PM
There are a lot of things for Rodgers to look at this summer, but I think it's clear that goalkeeper and defence needs to be at the top of the list.

The first goal two goals last night were really, really poor. Losing a man as dangerous in the air as Ivanovic at a corner was really basic stuff, and de Vries dropped an absolute clanger for the second. Both of those goals came down to simple errors from players who I think just aren't up to scratch. From there, we were forced to chase the match with a group of players who were clearly set out to compete and keep it tight.

I think last night's result is more down to poor recruitment than the wrong team or approach; good players don't make those mistakes, and if those mistakes aren't made then the match is a much tighter affair. The first two goals were roughly equivalent to punching yourself in the face in a boxing match, ffs. Those individual errors rendered our line-up pretty much useless after 30 minutes, and to be honest we probably don't have the attacking subtlety to break down the Zenit defence when they're sitting deep anyway. Our best chance was always going to be keeping our lead from the first leg - and that brings us round to the source of my biggest concern.

Lee Congerton.

I happened to read this article in the Guardian before our tie last night:

Stadium of Plight: Sunderland at risk of their most shattering relegation

It details, in often excruciating detail, just how bad Sunderland's acquisitions have been over the last few years - a period which covers Congerton's 18 or so months as Sporting Director. And there are plenty of other articles out there (including this on Bundesliga Fanatic, or this from the Roker Report - both fairly measured critiques) which don't paint a particularly impressive picture of Congerton's abilities as a scout.

Last summer, we failed to address most of the big target areas, and clearly over the winter window we didn't do as much business as Rodgers wanted. That's down to Congerton, and his scouting network underneath him. Something isn't working, and given his track record of non-performance, I don't think that should be a massive surprise.

This summer looks like it's going to be an important window; we could lose Dembele, we will likely lose Armstrong, our first and second choice goalkeepers will still be questionable and our defence still needs major work. I have serious doubts about Congerton's ability to deliver what we need, when we need it.
I mind being a bit put off when we brought Congerton in, giving the starring role he's played in helping Hamburg continue to be absolute shampooe. While a good thing from the POV they are a bunch of Hun tits, not so good when he's now making a pigs ear of our squad. He's got a track record of mediocrity, and would be nowhere near Celtic if he didn't have a long-standing relationship with Rodgers. Too early to call, but I'm not too confident in a man with a John Park-esque record in charge of our upcoming rebuild.

I've been on record in the past saying I don't think Brendan is a great spotter of talent, but is very good at working with players who suit his style. That's fine; everyone has their weakness. My concern is that he's chosen someone with an equally - perhaps worse - record of picking players as his partner in crime. I must say from all the brilliance of last year and how surprised I was at Rodgers' own transformation from the one at Liverpool, a lot of the things I was concerned about have happened this year. That's including sterile play at home, pretty timid European displays, a pig-headed attitude and a blame culture that never points to his own faults, only that of the players/someone else.

However it's still very easily turned around for him. I just fear the people who are in charge of making that turnaround possible will hamstring him. Got a hell of a lot of goodwill in the bank, but a continuation of the same selection, playstyle and attitude won't help anyone. Not the same by any means, but someone mentioned last night about his comments RE Scottish football. The more I think of how he spoke about the league up here (rightfully so at times) I think about John Collins' weird comments in 2016 (I think - the start of the second season), prior to us falling off a cliff under Deila. Just a small thing but he's went from really trying to talk up the Scottish game to disparaging it on a regular basis. I wonder if, even subconsciously, that kind of attitude has rubbed off on the team. eff knows; my primary concern is that the feel-good factor is burst, and the people in charge of reviving it aren't very good at what they do.

I'd feel more comfortable if we never hired Congerton, basically. No offence to the guy but I don't think he's on the same standard as Rodgers and Davies.
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Agree.
That Mon#1 is for the watching.
I don't think it's inconceivable that we'll lose our next two away league games

Add into the mix our indifferent home form and it's a concern

We are shaky at the back, slow in position and we aren't scoring a lot of goals

We are in the fortunate position that the 2nd and 3rd place team seem (as yet) as unlikely as us of sticking a run of wins together.

We have given them a glimmer of hope and should it get closer it wouldn't be hard to imagine us struggling further under pressure
We’ve lost 3 in the last 70 odd games.

We’ll win every league game from now until the league is won.
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mon#1
23 Feb 2018, 02:53 PM
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I don't think it's inconceivable that we'll lose our next two away league games

Add into the mix our indifferent home form and it's a concern

We are shaky at the back, slow in position and we aren't scoring a lot of goals

We are in the fortunate position that the 2nd and 3rd place team seem (as yet) as unlikely as us of sticking a run of wins together.

We have given them a glimmer of hope and should it get closer it wouldn't be hard to imagine us struggling further under pressure
We’ve lost 3 in the last 70 odd games.

We’ll win every league game from now until the league is won.
Hope you are correct but looking at our form this season that is very optimistic.
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I would replace him in the summer.
Stop sniffing glue.
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