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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,785 Views)
allthewine
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mon#1
23 Feb 2018, 11:48 AM
screwtop
23 Feb 2018, 11:42 AM
I would replace him in the summer.
If we lose the league I would agree
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We are not going to lose the league.

Some of the comments on here are hysterical.

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23 Feb 2018, 11:59 AM
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Dannybhoy95
23 Feb 2018, 11:52 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepcan play the style of football he wants, and I want to see us play. There's hours of footage on us doing it. However, when the standard of player increases, we've got far too many players standing off in admiration.
I'd also say that the issue isn't just the defensive phase, but the attacking phase - we're so, so static when in possession in the final third.
This is where we are missing LG.

Offers far more in the way of forward runs than Moussa.
Last season, Dembele occupied the centre backs and allowed folk behind him to get more time on the ball. Eff knows what’s supposed to be happening this season.
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screwtop
23 Feb 2018, 11:42 AM
I would replace him in the summer.
We’ve found lennys log in 😄
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allthewine
23 Feb 2018, 09:59 AM
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23 Feb 2018, 09:58 AM
allthewine
23 Feb 2018, 09:56 AM

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He gave him a new contract!
Yes he is our back up gk. Rodgers didn't expect to have to play him. How many games did DDV play before Gordon got injured?
Apparently clubs wanted him and we convinced him to stay and gave him a new contract.
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IainG
23 Feb 2018, 11:23 AM
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23 Feb 2018, 11:21 AM
IainG
23 Feb 2018, 11:17 AM
A club in our position, in our league,will struggle to get a better manager than Brendan Rodgers. He makes mistakes but who doesn't? Zidane has just won two CLs in a row but is under pressure for poor results and picking certain players regardless. A couple of posters have recently referred to Rodgers as a "World class manager". He's far from that but he is trying to do something different here with mixed results at times but we should stick with him and hope he succeeds.
I don't think anyone is suggesting he gets the sack.
No but there are doubts being expressed as to his tactics,style of play and transfer targets.
Rightly so. He's not above criticism.
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He's used the word passive to describe our defending alot this season.
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23 Feb 2018, 12:20 PM
allthewine
23 Feb 2018, 09:59 AM
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23 Feb 2018, 09:58 AM

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Yes he is our back up gk. Rodgers didn't expect to have to play him. How many games did DDV play before Gordon got injured?
Apparently clubs wanted him and we convinced him to stay and gave him a new contract.
EPL teams apparently. I guess as a 3rd choice.
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There will be plenty scrutiny and criticism of him after that, quite rightly. A pretty defeatist tone characterised our entire approach to this tie.

It is for the manager and his backroom team to get the focus back, and hopefully with the return of some key players find an approach that gets us back in form for the rest of this season.

We are decidedly flat and predictable and although a revolution in the playing staff in mid February is not likely to be conducive to a major improvement in form, there are clear positions in the team he must now address in attempt to make us sharper and more of a threat.

Missing players tend to become world beaters in these types of scenarios simply by not playing, but it's clear that there is a need now for a hopefully firing Roberts, Griffiths and Armstrong to have an affect on a recent moribund playing style. I could watch last night's game a further dozen times and still not be able to work out what the attacking game plan was. Disjointed and clueless does not quite cover it.

Defensively, well let's just hope that Compper has the type of effect he was brought in to have, and Gordon is perhaps ready a bit earlier than scheduled.
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23 Feb 2018, 11:56 AM
I'd also say that the issue isn't just the defensive phase, but the attacking phase - we're so, so static when in possession in the final third.
I agree with that. I do think it could be remedied to an extent if we sort our defensive side first, though.

The amount of times, specifically last season, when we actively hunted down the opposition and forced 'turnovers' only to score on the counter 3 seconds later seems to have completely vanished this season.

With very few exceptions, the general rule this season seems to be a case of; You attack, we'll set up. Finished attacking? Sound. We'll have the ball now and let your team set up.

It's pretty obvious Rodgers subscribes to the 'Cruyff way' of playing football. Which makes our lack of actively forcing turnovers this season even more bizzare.
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Forza
23 Feb 2018, 12:29 PM
There will be plenty scrutiny and criticism of him after that, quite rightly. A pretty defeatist tone characterised our entire approach to this tie.

It is for the manager and his backroom team to get the focus back, and hopefully with the return of some key players find an approach that gets us back in form for the rest of this season.

We are decidedly flat and predictable and although a revolution in the playing staff in mid February is not likely to be conducive to a major improvement in form, there are clear positions in the team he must now address in attempt to make us sharper and more of a threat.

Missing players tend to become world beaters in these types of scenarios simply by not playing, but it's clear that there is a need now for a hopefully firing Roberts, Griffiths and Armstrong to have an affect on a recent moribund playing style. I could watch last night's game a further dozen times and still not be able to work out what the attacking game plan was. Disjointed and clueless does not quite cover it.

Defensively, well let's just hope that Compper has the type of effect he was brought in to have, and Gordon is perhaps ready a bit earlier than scheduled.
Dembele and Ntcham, at their best, are superior to Griffiths and Armstrong so, for me, it’s more about tactics than personnel from middle to front. He needs to get Sinclair firing again too as it’s not acceptable for his most expensive signing to be watching our biggest matches from the bench. The defence definitely needs a massive overhaul though and should be the primary focus of our summer recruitment plans.
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I think some folk need a wee reminder we've been utter pish with Armstrong & Griffiths in the team as well, arguably they've been two of the players who have regressed the most from last season.
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I thought last week we had finally made some progress with the balance of pragmatism and the way he wants us to play. Last night was back to everything we've done in Europe in the last 4 or 5 years.

He's made the same comments pretty much after every game about bravery and cutting out mistakes, but he's not replacing the players who are making the mistakes and not being brave. There's a big summer coming up. We could, and probably should, ship out up to 5 regular starters. Add that to the 2 or 3 players we already need and we could be in for a busy time of it.*

*But the World Cup makes it difficult/good players wont come to Scotland/we wont sign anyone until after the qualifiers/we tried our best and got John McGinn.
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I was surprised Brendan went with the same side, that's just not likely to get the job done against quality a second time. Expected something exotic to challenge Mancini, maybe even a second striker as they didn't appear to enjoy any of the few direct balls in the first leg. What we got was predictable possession football, toothless, nervous, we played exactly as they expected and our inability to recognise this then activate a reserve plan is worrying.


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I'm starting to worry about his signings. The GK is clearly not good enough even to be a back-up. We've needed a right back for at least 18 months and his one attempt to address the problem (Gamboa) hasn't worked.

We are soft in the center of defence and he signs a project and a cup-tied guy who gets injured straight away.

He spends a fortune bringing in Musonda on loan and doesn't trust him in either of the European games, which you might think he'd be better suited too. There's a guy who we are paying 30 grand a week sitting on the bench.

For the first time, I think it's fair to question his judgement on these things.
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I love Brendan but it’s clear he got the team wrong last night. With Forrest instructed to play so deep, we needed someone with pace supporting Dembele
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23 Feb 2018, 12:48 PM
I love Brendan but it’s clear he got the team wrong last night. With Forrest instructed to play so deep, we needed someone with pace supporting Dembele
Forrest was often behind kouassi and the we had no threat until the second half, I didn't understand it at all.
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As many have said the damage was done in the January transfer window. Possibly the summer one too. Failed to address glaring deficiencies at RB, CH and GK. As predicted this has come back to bite us on the arse. Poor show.
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We miss Armstrong.

In the league. Not Europe.
Edited by james95, 23 Feb 2018, 12:57 PM.
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I think there is a basic flaw in Brendan Rodgers’ approach: he demands that football be played only one way, one approach- but the approach he favours requires top quality players in every position, which Celtic can not afford. He needs to bite the bullet and start setting up the team to play to the strengths of the players he DOES have, rather than trying to force those players to play in a style which is beyond their abilities.
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23 Feb 2018, 12:38 PM
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23 Feb 2018, 12:29 PM
There will be plenty scrutiny and criticism of him after that, quite rightly. A pretty defeatist tone characterised our entire approach to this tie.

It is for the manager and his backroom team to get the focus back, and hopefully with the return of some key players find an approach that gets us back in form for the rest of this season.

We are decidedly flat and predictable and although a revolution in the playing staff in mid February is not likely to be conducive to a major improvement in form, there are clear positions in the team he must now address in attempt to make us sharper and more of a threat.

Missing players tend to become world beaters in these types of scenarios simply by not playing, but it's clear that there is a need now for a hopefully firing Roberts, Griffiths and Armstrong to have an affect on a recent moribund playing style. I could watch last night's game a further dozen times and still not be able to work out what the attacking game plan was. Disjointed and clueless does not quite cover it.

Defensively, well let's just hope that Compper has the type of effect he was brought in to have, and Gordon is perhaps ready a bit earlier than scheduled.
Dembele and Ntcham, at their best, are superior to Griffiths and Armstrong so, for me, it’s more about tactics than personnel from middle to front. He needs to get Sinclair firing again too as it’s not acceptable for his most expensive signing to be watching our biggest matches from the bench. The defence definitely needs a massive overhaul though and should be the primary focus of our summer recruitment plans.
Ntcham of this season is clearly not superior to Armstrong of last. I am not suggesting in what remains of this season the latter will get to those levels again, but if he got even in the vicinity we would be a different proposition middle to front. Our play in the final third would be quicker and we would have a midfielder going beyond the striker, instincts Ntcham does not have.

I don't hold out much hope for an improvement in Sinclair. He is on a pretty similar trajectory now that he has been at all recent clubs. His stats look good but more often than not I don't expect him to turn up when the going gets tough now. There's plenty of recent examples to support that assessment.

It's not really even close between Dembele and Griffiths when both are in form, but that's clearly not been the case from Dembele for long enough now to suggest he's not really going to pile the goals on any time soon. There is a detachment to him plus whoever is supposed to be closest to him that is totally inhibiting how we play, and that's on the manager. He either solves it, or we continue to struggle.
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