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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,787 Views)
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Yes. DDV should not have been signed. As soon as, Rodgers realized DDV was not the same gk he remembered DDV got dropped.

Not having it that, Rodgers is to blame for not bringing in a quality replacement for, Gordon in the last window. There just wasn't enough time.
He gave him a new contract!
Yes he is our back up gk. Rodgers didn't expect to have to play him. How many games did DDV play before Gordon got injured?
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Eh yes? We can also blame him for signing that numpty ddv and then givi v him a contract extension
Yes. DDV should not have been signed. As soon as, Rodgers realized DDV was not the same gk he remembered DDV got dropped.

Not having it that, Rodgers is to blame for not bringing in a quality replacement for, Gordon in the last window. There just wasn't enough time.
Gordon has been a liability for a while now. Rodgers signed DDV to replace him.

His record in the transfer window is piss poor. His statement about getting everything he asked for in January is worrying.

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So, Rodgers who had no time at all to find a suitable replacement for Gordon should be blamed for not bringing in a quality gk? :lol:
Leaving aside the bigger issues (buying DDV in the first place and not having adequate cover), we did have a good few days to get a goalie in after Gordon’s injury. We wanted Trevor Carson but refused to cough up the extra £200,000 or so it would have taken for Motherwell to sell. To go into that Zenit game (and upcoming trips to Ibrox and Pittodrie) without a competent goalie is outrageous.
I actually agree with the Carson stance. Once we start capitulating to unrealistic demands, it's open-season on all our enquiries.

Sometimes you have to let a player like that slip through your fingers to make a point for the long-run.
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Leaving aside the bigger issues (buying DDV in the first place and not having adequate cover), we did have a good few days to get a goalie in after Gordon’s injury. We wanted Trevor Carson but refused to cough up the extra £200,000 or so it would have taken for Motherwell to sell. To go into that Zenit game (and upcoming trips to Ibrox and Pittodrie) without a competent goalie is outrageous.
I actually agree with the Carson stance. Once we start capitulating to unrealistic demands, it's open-season on all our enquiries.

Sometimes you have to let a player like that slip through your fingers to make a point for the long-run.
Not for the sake of £200,000. If Carson’s a better goalie than De Vries (he is), we should have paid the money to get the deal over the line. We were apparently willing to pay around £450,000 so we’re not talking millions more here. An extra £200,000 for a goalie to play in Europe, the Scottish Cup, all the remaining league games - and then provide experienced backup cover for the next few years - doesn’t seem excessive.
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He gave him a new contract!
Yes he is our back up gk. Rodgers didn't expect to have to play him. How many games did DDV play before Gordon got injured?
You don't give a dud a contract extension if you think he's a dud; which you just said BR realised De Vries was when he hooked him at HT. You certainly don't give him one if he's back up to a guy with a history of injuries. You probably don't let your 3rd-choice keeper go out on loan either.
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I actually agree with the Carson stance. Once we start capitulating to unrealistic demands, it's open-season on all our enquiries.

Sometimes you have to let a player like that slip through your fingers to make a point for the long-run.
Not for the sake of £200,000. If Carson’s a better goalie than De Vries (he is), we should have paid the money to get the deal over the line. We were apparently willing to pay around £450,000 so we’re not talking millions more here. An extra £200,000 for a goalie to play in Europe, the Scottish Cup, all the remaining league games - and then provide experienced backup cover for the next few years - doesn’t seem excessive.
That's my point, it's not £200,000. It's £200,000 for Carson (when we were already overpaying massively on his market value), plus every other unrealistic demand which clubs make once they've been emboldened by our capitulation.

Sometimes you just have to put your foot down to stop clubs taking the absolute pish, and for me, this was one of those times.
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Not for the sake of £200,000. If Carson’s a better goalie than De Vries (he is), we should have paid the money to get the deal over the line. We were apparently willing to pay around £450,000 so we’re not talking millions more here. An extra £200,000 for a goalie to play in Europe, the Scottish Cup, all the remaining league games - and then provide experienced backup cover for the next few years - doesn’t seem excessive.
That's my point, it's not £200,000. It's £200,000 for Carson (when we were already overpaying massively on his market value), plus every other unrealistic demand which clubs make once they've been emboldened by our capitulation.

Sometimes you just have to put your foot down to stop clubs taking the absolute pish, and for me, this was one of those times.
Sure, but you also have to judge each case on its own merits. We lost our goalie to injury just days before the transfer window closed. That inevitably put a premium on any potential replacement. Motherwell would have had little time to find a replacement for Carson so they correctly bumped his asking price up. In those circumstances, it would have been worth it to sign him. It wouldn’t have had any impact on our future stances. If (and I accept it’s a big ‘if’) Carson had played last night and helped us qualify for the next round, his transfer fee would have been peanuts in comparison to the cash we’d have made by reaching the next stage of the Europa League. As it happens, I’d have set my sights higher than Carson and spent several millions on a long-term first choice keeper. I’m merely using him as an example as it appeared that he was Rodgers’ top target. If Rodgers thought he was good enough to play for us, we should have forked out what was a fairly modest fee for a club with our resources.
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I actually agree with the Carson stance. Once we start capitulating to unrealistic demands, it's open-season on all our enquiries.

Sometimes you have to let a player like that slip through your fingers to make a point for the long-run.
Not for the sake of £200,000. If Carson’s a better goalie than De Vries (he is), we should have paid the money to get the deal over the line. We were apparently willing to pay around £450,000 so we’re not talking millions more here. An extra £200,000 for a goalie to play in Europe, the Scottish Cup, all the remaining league games - and then provide experienced backup cover for the next few years - doesn’t seem excessive.
Why is he a better goalie? He might not be up to the job of playing for Celtic. Just like DDV.
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That's my point, it's not £200,000. It's £200,000 for Carson (when we were already overpaying massively on his market value), plus every other unrealistic demand which clubs make once they've been emboldened by our capitulation.

Sometimes you just have to put your foot down to stop clubs taking the absolute pish, and for me, this was one of those times.
Sure, but you also have to judge each case on its own merits. We lost our goalie to injury just days before the transfer window closed. That inevitably put a premium on any potential replacement. Motherwell would have had little time to find a replacement for Carson so they correctly bumped his asking price up. In those circumstances, it would have been worth it to sign him. It wouldn’t have had any impact on our future stances. If (and I accept it’s a big ‘if’) Carson had played last night and helped us qualify for the next round, his transfer fee would have been peanuts in comparison to the cash we’d have made by reaching the next stage of the Europa League. As it happens, I’d have set my sights higher than Carson and spent several millions on a long-term first choice keeper. I’m merely using him as an example as it appeared that he was Rodgers’ top target. If Rodgers thought he was good enough to play for us, we should have forked out what was a fairly modest fee for a club with our resources.
That's a reasonable point, but I think whoever we brought in was probably intended as a back-up to De Vries regardless, which is why the profile of the players we went for was so underwhelming.

I'd be surprised if Bain didn't start on Sunday though.
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Not for the sake of £200,000. If Carson’s a better goalie than De Vries (he is), we should have paid the money to get the deal over the line. We were apparently willing to pay around £450,000 so we’re not talking millions more here. An extra £200,000 for a goalie to play in Europe, the Scottish Cup, all the remaining league games - and then provide experienced backup cover for the next few years - doesn’t seem excessive.
Why is he a better goalie? He might not be up to the job of playing for Celtic. Just like DDV.
We shouldn’t have had any interest in him at all then. My point was that if the manager considered him a better option than De Vries, we shouldn’t have missed out on him for the sake of £200,000. As I said in a previous post, I’d have set my sights much higher than Trevor Carson. But he appeared to be the manager’s top choice once it became clear that Gordon was out for a while.
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The next two months are massive for him. He’s not had a good start to the year at all. The most worrying thing seems to be he’s not learning from mistakes.
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Time for serious question. He's one of the highest paid people the club has ever employed and has been able to break our strict wage structure and he's not earned it this season. Not one bit.
I certainly have no time for him talking about the resources of other teams and player budgets etc because that's precisely what he's here to circumvent.
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Mancini had him on strings last night.

Nullified our width and had a man in front of Dembele to stop Ntcham/Rogic from playing balls into his feet. We were stumped and didn't know what to do with the ball after that, hence our best chances coming from long shots.
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I have no effing clue what system/style/philosophy he's trying to impart on the team right now. We're all over the place.
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Time for serious question. He's one of the highest paid people the club has ever employed and has been able to break our strict wage structure and he's not earned it this season. Not one bit.
I certainly have no time for him talking about the resources of other teams and player budgets etc because that's precisely what he's here to circumvent.
You can’t ignore resources because ultimately being able to afford the best players is crucial. But I agree on the broader point. When Rodgers signed his new deal last season, Lawwell described him as “one of the best” coaches in Europe. We’ve seen at domestic level this season in our last two fixtures against Kilmarnock how a good coach can come up with a system to make life difficult for richer, more talented opponents. At the very least we should be more difficult to play against. We’ve been absolute shooting practice for good European sides over the past 18 months and that’s not good enough for the money Rodgers is being paid.
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Time for serious question. He's one of the highest paid people the club has ever employed and has been able to break our strict wage structure and he's not earned it this season. Not one bit.
I certainly have no time for him talking about the resources of other teams and player budgets etc because that's precisely what he's here to circumvent.
You can’t ignore resources because ultimately being able to afford the best players is crucial. But I agree on the broader point. When Rodgers signed his new deal last season, Lawwell described him as “one of the best” coaches in Europe. We’ve seen at domestic level this season in our last two fixtures against Kilmarnock how a good coach can come up with a system to make life difficult for richer, more talented opponents. At the very least we should be more difficult to play against. We’ve been absolute shooting practice for good European sides over the past 18 months and that’s not good enough for the money Rodgers is being paid.
Exactly.
If the rule is "the team with the more money automatically wins" then that can't be used to excuse our European performances whilst being ignored domestically.
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A club in our position, in our league,will struggle to get a better manager than Brendan Rodgers. He makes mistakes but who doesn't? Zidane has just won two CLs in a row but is under pressure for poor results and picking certain players regardless. A couple of posters have recently referred to Rodgers as a "World class manager". He's far from that but he is trying to do something different here with mixed results at times but we should stick with him and hope he succeeds.
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A club in our position, in our league,will struggle to get a better manager than Brendan Rodgers. He makes mistakes but who doesn't? Zidane has just won two CLs in a row but is under pressure for poor results and picking certain players regardless. A couple of posters have recently referred to Rodgers as a "World class manager". He's far from that but he is trying to do something different here with mixed results at times but we should stick with him and hope he succeeds.
I don't think anyone is suggesting he gets the sack.
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A club in our position, in our league,will struggle to get a better manager than Brendan Rodgers. He makes mistakes but who doesn't? Zidane has just won two CLs in a row but is under pressure for poor results and picking certain players regardless. A couple of posters have recently referred to Rodgers as a "World class manager". He's far from that but he is trying to do something different here with mixed results at times but we should stick with him and hope he succeeds.
Other than a few hysterical posts, I haven’t seen anyone call for Rodgers to be replaced. I think the reaction to last night has generally been pretty measured. Hardly anyone is demanding a new manager, but folk are correctly starting to ask more pertinent questions about his tactics/signings/use of substitutes. Next season is huge for him in Europe.
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A club in our position, in our league,will struggle to get a better manager than Brendan Rodgers. He makes mistakes but who doesn't? Zidane has just won two CLs in a row but is under pressure for poor results and picking certain players regardless. A couple of posters have recently referred to Rodgers as a "World class manager". He's far from that but he is trying to do something different here with mixed results at times but we should stick with him and hope he succeeds.
I don't think anyone is suggesting he gets the sack.
No but there are doubts being expressed as to his tactics,style of play and transfer targets.
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