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| Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic" | |
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| Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,787 Views) | |
| allthewine | 23 Feb 2018, 09:59 AM Post #15621 |
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Yes he is our back up gk. Rodgers didn't expect to have to play him. How many games did DDV play before Gordon got injured? |
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| Joe the Baker | 23 Feb 2018, 09:59 AM Post #15622 |
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It feels like yesterday... I wish it was tomorrow.
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Gordon has been a liability for a while now. Rodgers signed DDV to replace him. His record in the transfer window is piss poor. His statement about getting everything he asked for in January is worrying. |
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| Tenenbaum | 23 Feb 2018, 10:02 AM Post #15623 |
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Anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?
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I actually agree with the Carson stance. Once we start capitulating to unrealistic demands, it's open-season on all our enquiries. Sometimes you have to let a player like that slip through your fingers to make a point for the long-run. |
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| One sharp cookie | 23 Feb 2018, 10:05 AM Post #15624 |
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Not for the sake of £200,000. If Carson’s a better goalie than De Vries (he is), we should have paid the money to get the deal over the line. We were apparently willing to pay around £450,000 so we’re not talking millions more here. An extra £200,000 for a goalie to play in Europe, the Scottish Cup, all the remaining league games - and then provide experienced backup cover for the next few years - doesn’t seem excessive. |
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| dannyclyro | 23 Feb 2018, 10:07 AM Post #15625 |
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Like you can smell the psychosphere
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You don't give a dud a contract extension if you think he's a dud; which you just said BR realised De Vries was when he hooked him at HT. You certainly don't give him one if he's back up to a guy with a history of injuries. You probably don't let your 3rd-choice keeper go out on loan either. |
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| Tenenbaum | 23 Feb 2018, 10:10 AM Post #15626 |
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Anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?
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That's my point, it's not £200,000. It's £200,000 for Carson (when we were already overpaying massively on his market value), plus every other unrealistic demand which clubs make once they've been emboldened by our capitulation. Sometimes you just have to put your foot down to stop clubs taking the absolute pish, and for me, this was one of those times. |
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| One sharp cookie | 23 Feb 2018, 10:14 AM Post #15627 |
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Sure, but you also have to judge each case on its own merits. We lost our goalie to injury just days before the transfer window closed. That inevitably put a premium on any potential replacement. Motherwell would have had little time to find a replacement for Carson so they correctly bumped his asking price up. In those circumstances, it would have been worth it to sign him. It wouldn’t have had any impact on our future stances. If (and I accept it’s a big ‘if’) Carson had played last night and helped us qualify for the next round, his transfer fee would have been peanuts in comparison to the cash we’d have made by reaching the next stage of the Europa League. As it happens, I’d have set my sights higher than Carson and spent several millions on a long-term first choice keeper. I’m merely using him as an example as it appeared that he was Rodgers’ top target. If Rodgers thought he was good enough to play for us, we should have forked out what was a fairly modest fee for a club with our resources. |
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| allthewine | 23 Feb 2018, 10:17 AM Post #15628 |
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Why is he a better goalie? He might not be up to the job of playing for Celtic. Just like DDV. |
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| Tenenbaum | 23 Feb 2018, 10:18 AM Post #15629 |
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Anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?
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That's a reasonable point, but I think whoever we brought in was probably intended as a back-up to De Vries regardless, which is why the profile of the players we went for was so underwhelming. I'd be surprised if Bain didn't start on Sunday though. |
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| One sharp cookie | 23 Feb 2018, 10:19 AM Post #15630 |
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Getting on a bit
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We shouldn’t have had any interest in him at all then. My point was that if the manager considered him a better option than De Vries, we shouldn’t have missed out on him for the sake of £200,000. As I said in a previous post, I’d have set my sights much higher than Trevor Carson. But he appeared to be the manager’s top choice once it became clear that Gordon was out for a while. |
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| james95 | 23 Feb 2018, 10:58 AM Post #15631 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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The next two months are massive for him. He’s not had a good start to the year at all. The most worrying thing seems to be he’s not learning from mistakes. |
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| asterisk_years | 23 Feb 2018, 11:00 AM Post #15632 |
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I certainly have no time for him talking about the resources of other teams and player budgets etc because that's precisely what he's here to circumvent. |
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| El_Beachio | 23 Feb 2018, 11:01 AM Post #15633 |
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Mancini had him on strings last night. Nullified our width and had a man in front of Dembele to stop Ntcham/Rogic from playing balls into his feet. We were stumped and didn't know what to do with the ball after that, hence our best chances coming from long shots. |
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| Scotty_Bhoy_7 | 23 Feb 2018, 11:03 AM Post #15634 |
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vive le celtique
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I have no effing clue what system/style/philosophy he's trying to impart on the team right now. We're all over the place. |
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| One sharp cookie | 23 Feb 2018, 11:12 AM Post #15635 |
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Getting on a bit
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You can’t ignore resources because ultimately being able to afford the best players is crucial. But I agree on the broader point. When Rodgers signed his new deal last season, Lawwell described him as “one of the best” coaches in Europe. We’ve seen at domestic level this season in our last two fixtures against Kilmarnock how a good coach can come up with a system to make life difficult for richer, more talented opponents. At the very least we should be more difficult to play against. We’ve been absolute shooting practice for good European sides over the past 18 months and that’s not good enough for the money Rodgers is being paid. |
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| asterisk_years | 23 Feb 2018, 11:15 AM Post #15636 |
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Exactly. If the rule is "the team with the more money automatically wins" then that can't be used to excuse our European performances whilst being ignored domestically. |
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| IainG | 23 Feb 2018, 11:17 AM Post #15637 |
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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A club in our position, in our league,will struggle to get a better manager than Brendan Rodgers. He makes mistakes but who doesn't? Zidane has just won two CLs in a row but is under pressure for poor results and picking certain players regardless. A couple of posters have recently referred to Rodgers as a "World class manager". He's far from that but he is trying to do something different here with mixed results at times but we should stick with him and hope he succeeds. |
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| asterisk_years | 23 Feb 2018, 11:21 AM Post #15638 |
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I don't think anyone is suggesting he gets the sack. |
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| One sharp cookie | 23 Feb 2018, 11:22 AM Post #15639 |
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Getting on a bit
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Other than a few hysterical posts, I haven’t seen anyone call for Rodgers to be replaced. I think the reaction to last night has generally been pretty measured. Hardly anyone is demanding a new manager, but folk are correctly starting to ask more pertinent questions about his tactics/signings/use of substitutes. Next season is huge for him in Europe. |
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| IainG | 23 Feb 2018, 11:23 AM Post #15640 |
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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No but there are doubts being expressed as to his tactics,style of play and transfer targets. |
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