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Brendan Rodgers; "I was born into Celtic"
Topic Started: 20 May 2016, 05:06 PM (2,287,788 Views)
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22 Feb 2018, 11:59 PM
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Celtic have performed to expectation in Europe. We beat teams with a lower budget and lost to teams with a higher budget, except Anderlecht who we eliminated.

It's disappointing but predictable. At least we are progressing from being beaten by Scandinavian teams under Ronny, to competing against second tier teams. Hopefully next year we will kick on more.
Yet we have gone backwards in Europe from last year.
Well, we got three points same as 2016-17, but went through in third. Glass half full.
The Anderlecht home game was a dead rubber also. I'm sure we'd not have lost if qualification depended on it.

It cost us 1.5 million quid
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Celtic have performed to expectation in Europe. We beat teams with a lower budget and lost to teams with a higher budget, except Anderlecht who we eliminated.

It's disappointing but predictable. At least we are progressing from being beaten by Scandinavian teams under Ronny, to competing against second tier teams. Hopefully next year we will kick on more.
Yet we have gone backwards in Europe from last year.
We’ve gone backwards in domestic football too which is a big concern. Still in with a big chance of the treble but we don’t look convincing.
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Bad decisions from the manager going back to the summer cost us tonight as much as defensive errors. It was his choice to stick with DDV even after Gordon picked up the injury and his choice to not add anything barring an injured CH and an unproven prospect to a defence which has wildly struggled in Europe this season. He wasn't prepared for Mancini's changes and didn't seem to be able to convince the players that they could play football and we were horsed by a team we absolutely could've beaten (we did last week).

Last season was a freak domestically and he managed to make us excited about the potential in Europe again but right now it feels like we've taken a step back despite us now going further than we've been for a few years. Ultimately though he's now got as far as Ronny did. This season has, so far, been a domestic season worthy of Ronny as well. The question has to be asked why season tickets are going up and the wage bill is far higher than it's been for a decade yet we're now roughly where we were 4 years ago?

I believe that he wants to get better and learn and that we'll provide a bigger threat next season in Europe but there will need to be some significant improvement in the transfer market now that we've seen what we've got in the cold light of day.

If we manage it (and I absolutely think we will) a double treble secures his status as one of our top managers although I don't think any of us thought that'd be the limit of his achievements this time last year.
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There is a lot of talk about Brendan Rodgers' record in Europe but ultimately, that record has now firmly established the expectation of getting shagged when the chips are down. You can compare it to past managers, talk about transfer budgets, whether "he got what he wanted" and such, but when we lose in Europe under him it always seems to be with the same type of performance; passive, timid and gutless. We never go down fighting, we are always absolutely pasted, either in terms of the result or the performance.

I don't know if that's a fault of Rodgers or the players not being good enough; it's probably a mixture of both.

Either way, I'm pretty fed up watching his team at the moment. Even in the SPL, it's dull, sideways, shampooe, played in front of packed defences. Either he's coached it out of them, or nobody in the team has the stones to try and play a risky pass now and then. We still have a good lead in the league, because everybody else is incapable of putting together a half-decent, consistent run of form. As for Europe, he doesn't have it, that being the ability to make his teams first and foremost, hard to beat.

Wish I was furious after the result last night but I just felt deflated.
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There is a lot of talk about Brendan Rodgers' record in Europe but ultimately, that record has now firmly established the expectation of getting shagged when the chips are down. You can compare it to past managers, talk about transfer budgets, whether "he got what he wanted" and such, but when we lose in Europe under him it always seems to be with the same type of performance; passive, timid and gutless. We never go down fighting, we are always absolutely pasted, either in terms of the result or the performance.

I don't know if that's a fault of Rodgers or the players not being good enough; it's probably a mixture of both.

Either way, I'm pretty fed up watching his team at the moment. Even in the SPL, it's dull, sideways, shampooe, played in front of packed defences. Either he's coached it out of them, or nobody in the team has the stones to try and play a risky pass now and then. We still have a good lead in the league, because everybody else is incapable of putting together a half-decent, consistent run of form. As for Europe, he doesn't have it, that being the ability to make his teams first and foremost, hard to beat.

Wish I was furious after the result last night but I just felt deflated.
I agree in order for us to move forward he will have to compromise in style - even domestically

In europe we have to concentrate on being hard to beat & hard to play against

In terms of resources the best comparison of manager.v manager is Lennon.

Looking at the succes he had - great GK, solid enough defence, hardworking midfield, outball in samaras & an emphasis on.set pieces

Domestically we have to try and be a bit more direct. Possession to draw a team out only works if that team will come out, most teams we play are happy to sit in
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Our performances in Europe away from home are very worrying.

Zenit showed how to defend last night. We should be learning after every pumping, but we're not.
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23 Feb 2018, 08:14 AM
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23 Feb 2018, 01:34 AM
Bad decisions from the manager going back to the summer cost us tonight as much as defensive errors. It was his choice to stick with DDV even after Gordon picked up the injury and his choice to not add anything barring an injured CH and an unproven prospect to a defence which has wildly struggled in Europe this season. He wasn't prepared for Mancini's changes and didn't seem to be able to convince the players that they could play football and we were horsed by a team we absolutely could've beaten (we did last week).

Last season was a freak domestically and he managed to make us excited about the potential in Europe again but right now it feels like we've taken a step back despite us now going further than we've been for a few years. Ultimately though he's now got as far as Ronny did. This season has, so far, been a domestic season worthy of Ronny as well. The question has to be asked why season tickets are going up and the wage bill is far higher than it's been for a decade yet we're now roughly where we were 4 years ago?

I believe that he wants to get better and learn and that we'll provide a bigger threat next season in Europe but there will need to be some significant improvement in the transfer market now that we've seen what we've got in the cold light of day.

If we manage it (and I absolutely think we will) a double treble secures his status as one of our top managers although I don't think any of us thought that'd be the limit of his achievements this time last year.
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3 successive pathetic transfer windows have put us back to square one. The way in which we have tackled the crisis in defence, by looking only in the bargain basement.,sums up our ambitions. A 32 year old who hasn’t played a lot in recent years,and who both Fiorentina & Leipzig we’re happy to get rid of & a young player who couldn’t get a game at Wigan & who has only played 40 games at senior level,are not going to solve our defensive problems. Our accounts clearly show that we could have done a hell of a lot more. This has always been the Celtic way, but our hopes were raised with the appointment of Rodgers. I wrongly thought that he wouldn’t have come without the guarantee of being properly backed and that finally we would move on & progress would be made. It’s even more disappointing that the manager was delighted with the last window & seems happy signing mainly projects. I still remember him saying that he hoped to add quality in the final week of his first window,after we had qualified for the CL. We got DDV & Gamboa. We would have been better with nothing.
Last night went much as expected against an average European team. At lease PSG,Barcelona & Bayern were quality opposition this performance was down there with Egypt & Astana & shows that no lessons have been learned & certainly no progress has been made.
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22 Feb 2018, 10:54 PM
Not an opinion but a fact: his record in Europe both with Liverpool & Celtic is awful.
Nonsense.
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22 Feb 2018, 11:25 PM
The same issues Liverpool fans had with him are being replicated.

Tactical inflexibility, iffy signings, poor in europe.
The Pool fans are ungrateful bastards. Rodgers, was oh so close to winning them a title.
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22 Feb 2018, 11:25 PM
The same issues Liverpool fans had with him are being replicated.

Tactical inflexibility, iffy signings, poor in europe.
The Pool fans are ungrateful bastards. Rodgers, was oh so close to winning them a title.
It's true.

It's also true that they bottled it.
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23 Feb 2018, 01:27 AM
Rodgers has a habit of effing off to Spain every chance he gets. Essentially he works a 4 day week unless there's a midweek game. Other Celtic managers simply wouldn't get away with it.
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Not an opinion but a fact: his record in Europe both with Liverpool & Celtic is awful.
Nonsense.
One win in a Group containing Basel & Ludogorets with some class players suggests there's support to that. Also went out to Zenit at the same stage in the Europa.
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22 Feb 2018, 10:54 PM
Not an opinion but a fact: his record in Europe both with Liverpool & Celtic is awful.
Nonsense.
Certainly isn't, at least with regards to his Liverpool record.

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In stark comparison, Rodgers registered just six wins in 18 competition matches – an uninspiring amount beyond qualifying games.

The mere six wins came across two group stage phases in the Europa League and Champions League, as well as two round of 32 appearances in the secondary competition, making for a poor return.

Where Klopp’s teams found the net with ease, the Northern Irishman found goals hard to come by – scoring only 1.12 per-game – an all too familiar recipe for disaster with even more – 1.33 per game – being conceded down the other end.

Such a record made it almost impossible to succeed.

Liverpool failed to progress beyond the first knockout stages under Rodgers losing to Zenit St Petersburg and Besiktas on the big occasions in the Europa League.

The Reds were also eliminated after amassing only one win in the sole Champions League campaign undertaken – just overcoming Ludogorets at Anfield.


https://www.thisisanfield.com/2015/10/comparing-brendan-rodgers-jurgen-klopps-european-records/
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22 Feb 2018, 11:25 PM
The same issues Liverpool fans had with him are being replicated.

Tactical inflexibility, iffy signings, poor in europe.
The Pool fans are ungrateful bastards. Rodgers, was oh so close to winning them a title.
He should've won it, but wouldnt change style against chelsea and threw it away
But i agree about lolpool fans...bunch of winkers
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23 Feb 2018, 01:34 AM
Bad decisions from the manager going back to the summer cost us tonight as much as defensive errors. It was his choice to stick with DDV even after Gordon picked up the injury and his choice to not add anything barring an injured CH and an unproven prospect to a defence which has wildly struggled in Europe this season. He wasn't prepared for Mancini's changes and didn't seem to be able to convince the players that they could play football and we were horsed by a team we absolutely could've beaten (we did last week).

Last season was a freak domestically and he managed to make us excited about the potential in Europe again but right now it feels like we've taken a step back despite us now going further than we've been for a few years. Ultimately though he's now got as far as Ronny did. This season has, so far, been a domestic season worthy of Ronny as well. The question has to be asked why season tickets are going up and the wage bill is far higher than it's been for a decade yet we're now roughly where we were 4 years ago?

I believe that he wants to get better and learn and that we'll provide a bigger threat next season in Europe but there will need to be some significant improvement in the transfer market now that we've seen what we've got in the cold light of day.

If we manage it (and I absolutely think we will) a double treble secures his status as one of our top managers although I don't think any of us thought that'd be the limit of his achievements this time last year.
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So, Rodgers who had no time at all to find a suitable replacement for Gordon should be blamed for not bringing in a quality gk? :lol:
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Bad decisions from the manager going back to the summer cost us tonight as much as defensive errors. It was his choice to stick with DDV even after Gordon picked up the injury and his choice to not add anything barring an injured CH and an unproven prospect to a defence which has wildly struggled in Europe this season. He wasn't prepared for Mancini's changes and didn't seem to be able to convince the players that they could play football and we were horsed by a team we absolutely could've beaten (we did last week).

Last season was a freak domestically and he managed to make us excited about the potential in Europe again but right now it feels like we've taken a step back despite us now going further than we've been for a few years. Ultimately though he's now got as far as Ronny did. This season has, so far, been a domestic season worthy of Ronny as well. The question has to be asked why season tickets are going up and the wage bill is far higher than it's been for a decade yet we're now roughly where we were 4 years ago?

I believe that he wants to get better and learn and that we'll provide a bigger threat next season in Europe but there will need to be some significant improvement in the transfer market now that we've seen what we've got in the cold light of day.

If we manage it (and I absolutely think we will) a double treble secures his status as one of our top managers although I don't think any of us thought that'd be the limit of his achievements this time last year.
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So, Rodgers who had no time at all to find a suitable replacement for Gordon should be blamed for not bringing in a quality gk? :lol:
Eh yes? We can also blame him for signing that numpty ddv and then givi v him a contract extension
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Not an opinion but a fact: his record in Europe both with Liverpool & Celtic is awful.
Nonsense.
One win in a Group containing Basel & Ludogorets with some class players suggests there's support to that. Also went out to Zenit at the same stage in the Europa.
Think Liverpool were also bottom of their Europa League group when he left but ended up getting to the final after Klopp took over. Not sure how many games they had played but heard Micky Quinn say that a while back on Talksport.
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So, Rodgers who had no time at all to find a suitable replacement for Gordon should be blamed for not bringing in a quality gk? :lol:
Eh yes? We can also blame him for signing that numpty ddv and then givi v him a contract extension
Yes. DDV should not have been signed. As soon as, Rodgers realized DDV was not the same gk he remembered DDV got dropped.

Not having it that, Rodgers is to blame for not bringing in a quality replacement for, Gordon in the last window. There just wasn't enough time.
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Bad decisions from the manager going back to the summer cost us tonight as much as defensive errors. It was his choice to stick with DDV even after Gordon picked up the injury and his choice to not add anything barring an injured CH and an unproven prospect to a defence which has wildly struggled in Europe this season. He wasn't prepared for Mancini's changes and didn't seem to be able to convince the players that they could play football and we were horsed by a team we absolutely could've beaten (we did last week).

Last season was a freak domestically and he managed to make us excited about the potential in Europe again but right now it feels like we've taken a step back despite us now going further than we've been for a few years. Ultimately though he's now got as far as Ronny did. This season has, so far, been a domestic season worthy of Ronny as well. The question has to be asked why season tickets are going up and the wage bill is far higher than it's been for a decade yet we're now roughly where we were 4 years ago?

I believe that he wants to get better and learn and that we'll provide a bigger threat next season in Europe but there will need to be some significant improvement in the transfer market now that we've seen what we've got in the cold light of day.

If we manage it (and I absolutely think we will) a double treble secures his status as one of our top managers although I don't think any of us thought that'd be the limit of his achievements this time last year.
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So, Rodgers who had no time at all to find a suitable replacement for Gordon should be blamed for not bringing in a quality gk? :lol:
Leaving aside the bigger issues (buying DDV in the first place and not having adequate cover), we did have a good few days to get a goalie in after Gordon’s injury. We wanted Trevor Carson but refused to cough up the extra £200,000 or so it would have taken for Motherwell to sell. To go into that Zenit game (and upcoming trips to Ibrox and Pittodrie) without a competent goalie is outrageous.
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Eh yes? We can also blame him for signing that numpty ddv and then givi v him a contract extension
Yes. DDV should not have been signed. As soon as, Rodgers realized DDV was not the same gk he remembered DDV got dropped.

Not having it that, Rodgers is to blame for not bringing in a quality replacement for, Gordon in the last window. There just wasn't enough time.
He gave him a new contract!
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